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Warning on closing down and migrating[edit]

And it's gone. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 19:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Damn. Can someone (User:Canadian Paul?) contact the Olymadmen or the IOC to ask them nicely if some form of soft redirect, or bot-friendly url translation system can be done to minimise the effect on the thousands of affected links? A check at Special:LinkSearch is limited to 60000 items (Olympics start at 10000), and that's only up to names starting with Sn, let alone the non-athlete links! The-Pope (talk) 12:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
From Bill Mallon - I'm not much of a Wikipedian, but I'm the leader/CEO of the OlyMADMen (OMM) who has provided all the data for the pages since 2008. I'm also the guy who wrote that post noted above - all the Olympstats are provided by the OMM. It is true that sports-reference is shutting down and did so officially 2 days ago (30 November). We understand the problem for Wikipedia with links, as we know you guys link to SR quite bit, and we appreciate that. As Olympstats said, our data is being migrated to an official IOC site, with that process now ongoing. Hope to have it up in early 2017, although I cannot be precise about dates. SR will continued to maintain Olympic data that we provide for baseball, basketball, and ice hockey, per our agreements with SR and the IOC. I will talk to the IOC to see if there is anything we can do to help with the many affected links on Wikipedia-Olympic pages. We'll try to work with you on this to the extent that we can. Billbambam (talk) 13:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)Bill Mallon, MD; CEO, OlyMADMen
First of all, thank you Bill for all the information that your group has provided over the years. I think that with over 50k broken links, this needs very high level discussions - maybe with some Wikidata gurus, as the sports-reference ID exists as a property over there. If a bot/WikiData expert can be involved in the transition somehow, this migration might be able to be done fairly painlessly. If not, and the new website has a completely different/hidden/dynamic URL system, it could be a nightmare for years. The-Pope (talk) 15:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Bill, that's some help to know that. There will be tens, if not hundreds of thousands of biographies and Olympic-related event pages on WP that use SR as a reference to verfiy facts. Also, our sister-project Wikidata also uses SR as a reliable source to confirm biographical data (example, scroll to the foot of this link). Hopefully I read this as not being the end, as it will all be sorted out in the near future. Esp. if all leave over Christmas is cancelled! :D Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 15:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping - as you can see, your message has been forwarded, haha. I'm happy to be a wiki contact on this as well if there are any questions or anything that needs doing that requires more familiarity with Wikipedia itself. Just leave a message on my talk page or ping me! Canadian Paul 19:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I think we need some form of policy or statement to prevent our existing referenced articles from being converted to "dead link" followed by "unreferenced" followed by attempts at deletion. I know that sounds ill willed, but there are those types of people who roam wikipedia with that goal in mind. I've been fighting them for almost a decade. The existence of Sport-reference has literally rescued thousands of deletion attempts by my own hand alone, mostly during the BLP whitewash. And now losing our best Olympic source, we need to head that off. Trackinfo (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, as Lugnuts just said (never thought I would write that phrase) SR/olympics is back on. We had discussions yesterday with SR and the IOC and got that done. Sports-reference was very helpful as they always are - that's a great site, not just for our olympic stuff, but as I'm sure you realize, for baseball, football, basketball, hockey. They are also going to add a soccer (football) section this coming year. SR/olympics will likely stay open until the IOC site goes live - no dates yet. We'll try to work with you to help the Wikipedians after that date. Also, the OlyMADMen (OMM) have our own private research site, Olympedia. org. We think its better and its where our base data all goes, before going to SR. If any of you guys want access to it, just email me at Thanx for all your kind words about the SR/olympics, such as "best Olympic source" and other. - Bill Mallon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billbambam (talkcontribs) 13:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Great, thanks a lot.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:31, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
It would be great (for Wikidata and Wikipedias, of course), if you could later provide a list of ID mapping - old ID -> new ID. That would make conversion (at least at Wikidata) very simple. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 18:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Bill - great news. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 19:39, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Seems to be switched back on! Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 10:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Side question - Data of SR[edit]

If SR and/or the upcoming new page are thankfull with links from Wikipedia, might SR be willing to give access to the data in a restrictive way to Wikipedia/Wikimedia (users)? This would be a great value to Wikipedia, big value in general speaking of the Olympics, and as many links to the new web page will be created, giving a great value of the website. Or is there big money involved with selling this data?Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 21:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

A navbox, a sidebar, and an infobox all walk into a room[edit]

There is a discussion regarding a set of infoboxes which fall within your purview at this location. Your input is requested and appreciated. Primefac (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Infobox Olympics Country[edit]

I have noticed the above template has changed. Beyond many aesthetic issues I have noticed that countries that won 0 medals at a Games do not show that anymore. I don't think this change is any good. What are the thoughts of others? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Good pick up Sportsfan, I hadn't noticed it. Primefac has been doing the incredibly difficult task of merging all of the infoboxes into the single Template:Infobox country at games. Pinging him now @Primefac: -- Ianblair23 (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Sportsfan 1234, could you give some examples? A random check of a dozen pages all show straight zeros for me. Primefac (talk) 00:54, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Primefac, once again I want to thank you for the great job that you are doing. Examples that I have found include Tuvalu at the 2016 Summer Olympics, Tuvalu at the 2014 Commonwealth Games, Tuvalu at the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Fixed The issue was with {{infobox country at games}}, which does not automatically assume you want to include them. I've made it so the wrapping templates all pass 0s if nothing is given for the medal counts. Primefac (talk) 02:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
The one I was referring to was [1] but that appears to be working now. Though I am working on the Asian Winter Games nations articles and a majority are missing. Also I notice for ex. articles in 2011 will not link to any in the future if not manually inputed. Before with the templates this wouldn't be the case... Sportsfan 1234 (talk)
Okay, so now we're dealing with a few different issues. First - anything that isn't currently transcluding one of those six templates is already directly tapped into IB country at games, which does not automatically include the medal count if no medal parameters are given. Given that there are 10k articles that transclude that IB I don't really want to start making that assumption. Second - I'm not sure what you mean about the 2011 articles. Third - the Asian Games (of various flavours) were substituted before I realized that {{team appearances list}} existed, and I'm working on a bot run to replace all of the hardcoded "appearances" lists with automatically-updating ones from that module. Primefac (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. As for 2011, for ex [2], the 2017 Article does not show up on the template. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Ah, yes. As I said, it's not (yet) automated. As soon as I get everything squared away I'll be replacing the existing lists with the automatic ones. As you start creating the 2017 games, just use |appearances=auto. Primefac (talk) 02:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Primefac:, another thing I have noticed is that the infobox at the Australia at the 2016 Summer Olympics article, the overview link is calling up Australia at the Summer Olympics rather than Australia at the Olympics. The summary article is for every country is located at Foo at the Olympics. There is only five cases where additional pages exist, they are Australia at the Winter Olympics, Canada at the Summer Olympics, Canada at the Winter Olympics, Germany at the Summer Olympics and Germany at the Winter Olympics. Refer to {{Nations at the Olympics}}. Are you able to amend the coding so that Foo at the Olympics is the default link and that these exceptions are included. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 04:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Primefac: another exception that I know of is the Ireland at the British Empire Games article. Every another summary article is located at Foo at the Commonwealth Games, but because Ireland only completed in 1930 and 1934, it is more accurate that summary article be entitled in this manner. Are you able to code this one as well?
Also, referring to thread above, the Summer Youth Olympics articles (example Tuvalu at the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics) are still not showing the medal counts where no medal were won. Thanks -- Ianblair23 (talk) 04:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
The Summer/Winter Olympics thing is unavoidable. {{infobox country at games}} assumes that the "overview" page is going to be at the games listed, so if |games=Summer Olympics then the overview is "Foo at Summer Olympics". The template is three #if statements deep at that point anyway, and I would honestly prefer (since there are redirects for 90% of the Summer/Winter games) to leave it be for the time being. Once the merger is completely finished I might be able to go in and clean up the code, do some tweaks, and provide more custom coding. This isn't to say that going four deep would be impossible, but when one parameter takes up four lines of code it becomes much harder to find potential errors when making changes.
Due to the oddity of having four different names for "one" competition, I had to code the Commonwealth headers a little bit differently. Again, once the dust settles on this merge I can probably refine things to be more accurate.
Tuvalu is directly transcluding IB country at games, which does not default to 0s. Feel free to add 0s to the article, though. Primefac (talk) 12:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@Primefac: OK, thanks. Once the merger is complete hopefully these can be implemented. Once again thanks for picking up the ball and running with this. It is very much appreciated. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 06:02, 7 December 2016 (UTC)


This might not be possible, but can the NOCname parameter automatically show up on the template if you input the IOC code? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Can it be done? Sure. Should it be done? That depends on if a 260-item #switch statement is worth creating. I think I see where you're going with this (one-stop shop in case a NOCname changes), but that's an awfully large search depth (even if you break it down by first letter). I'll see if I can integrate it into another project I've got going on tied to this one, but it won't be a super-high priority. Primefac (talk) 03:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Also sorry to sound demanding, but would it be possible to have the font size be a bit bigger? Also for Olympics and the Asian Games to show winter and summer articles at the same time. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
I too would love seeing Summer and Winter games at the same time. At the moment you can see either Summer and Intercalated games or Winter and Intercalated Games, but not all three. If the template is going to be used for Youth Olympics and/or Paralympic games, showing both Summer and Winter games would be great there too. -- Lejman (talk) 16:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Again, I don't follow this that closely, and haven't checked, but in case you guys haven't noticed this yet - Singapore is now SGP, instead of SIN. The change occurred after the Rio Games. Billbambam (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)Bill Mallon
Font size is the standard infobox text size.
|summerappearances= and |winterappearances= are available for use, as is |youthappearances=.
SGP has been accounted for, as far as the templates go. Primefac (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand what was wrong with the template as it was. This is too complicated now. Jmj713 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Redundancy was the issue. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
@Primefac, is it possible to get a new parameter titled discipline(s)? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Also for Indonesia and Vietnam at the Asian Winter Games, it lists all the years in the infobox, even though its their debut. Compare this with Turkmenistan or Sri Lanka (both making their debuts) that only show 2017. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
And for Kuwait 2017 does not show up in the template. How do I also show the other appearances in the template? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
First question - that's a discussion for the template talk page. Second questions - there are two ways to "fix" that - the first is to use |app_begin_year=, but this requires updating on every page. The other option (which I have implemented) is to modify Module:Team appearances list/data. This was also why the 2017 Kuwait appearance was missing (which I have also updated).

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages[edit]

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RFC on tennis player Andy Murray (Scottish/British)[edit]

There is an ongoing RfC to determine whether Andy Murray is a Scottish or British tennis player. Please lend a hand at the Andy Murray British tennis player or Scottish tennis player RfC. Thanks.

Same person?[edit]

I started a discussion at Talk:Alphons De Cuyper, with the question: how could we know if Alphons De Cuyper and Alphonse Decuyper are the same person? Thanks, Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 20:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

RfC on template display options[edit]

There is an RfC about a template that falls into the purview of this project. Your input is requested at the template's talk page. Primefac (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

With the holiday season over, I thought it might be worth bumping this discussion. Primefac (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of a number of country-by-year Paralympics articles[edit]

An editor has tagged quite a few of the "$COUNTRY at the $YEAR Paralympics" articles for proposed deletion here, with the rationale that they are stubby and duplicate information in the main article for the year's Paralympics. Since the proposed deletion process doesn't usually get a lot of visibility, I'm posting here so other editors are aware if they wish to review these. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 04:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

I know this is a bit of a BEANS note, but I do ask that those interested actually review the PRODs and not just remove them with reckless abandon, because a lot of them are stubby and contain no novel information over the "$YEAR Paralympics" articles. It's pretty easy to get a REFUND on PROD-deleted pages, so the simple fact that more information could be added (at some magical date in the future) is not really a reason to de-PROD (as an anecdote, I'm in the middle of trying to sort out a 600-article AFD because a disgruntled editor removed the PRODs with no better reason than that they didn't want the pages deleted, so the original editor has now AFD'd them all). Primefac (talk) 04:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
That's precisely why I posted here (and over at WikiProject Multi-sport events); between the Paralympic articles and the articles on other multi-sport events, there are over 700 PRODs that need to be looked at. After going through a few of them, I noticed that some of them at least had a little information but others were fairly useless one-liners of the "$COUNTRY competed at the $YEAR $EVENT" format without even an athlete or medal count. (This is further complicated by some of the multi-sport events being less well-covered in the first place.) I don't have anywhere near the time to evaluate 700+ articles myself over the holidays, hence the call for more eyes. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 05:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
This appears to be a bulk deletion effort on the part of Sportsfan 1234. Without getting into the merits of the individual articles, on principle this is a bad route to go. If there is a bulk problem, then there should be a discussion on the bulk merits. To submit so many prods at once deliberately overwhelms the system. It becomes a unilateral means to an end. No rational editor or group of editors could possibly address all of these cases. Each of these should be first de-prodded and then that discussion should begin somewhere. This is not an issue I wish to get that deep into. Sportsfan 1234, please take appropriate action so I don't need to become a jerk about it. Trackinfo (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I count 700+ PRODs in the past week. I doubt that is a good use for automated tools, but I am not that familiar with it. Nabla (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
@Sportsfan 1234: pinging you so you're aware of the discussion, since it doesn't look like Trackinfo's ping worked. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 13:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't agree with Primefac. If more information can be added ever, it is a legitimate reason to deprod. Wikipedia is a work in progress and always will be. There is no precedence for deleting stubs just because they are stubs. On the other hand, if more info can't be added, the articles need to be deleted, and that in my opinion should take place via the systematic procedure of an AfD nomination. (talk) 16:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Normally I would concede your point, but in this particular instance the pages were all created by a serial bot-assisted user who is currently having all of their BLP articles deleted for gross violations. In a random spattering of pages I checked, only a very small handful were edited by anyone other than this editor. Thus, chances are they would moulder in stubland indefinitely. As I mentioned before, if someone feels the urge to recreate the pages, REFUNDs are easily available. However, since they have been de-PROD'd the point is rather moot. Primefac (talk) 02:15, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Primefac, you don't seem to see the full picture. They haven't all been deprodded. As of yesterday, there were ~355 standing PRODs added by Sportsfan 1234, in addition to the 5 or 6 bundled AfDs. Secondly, pages weren't created by Sander.v.Ginkel, if that's whom you are referring to. Clearly, the different pages were created by different and unrelated editors. for eg, Aruba at the 2010 Central American and Caribbean Games by Eljohnson15, Kuwait at the 2002 Asian Games by Bill Wompton Compton, etc. Please don't spread misinformation. (talk) 06:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Didn't see this until now. Anyway, I removed 99% of the Paralympic prods per WP:NOLY ("Nations participating at an individual Summer or Winter, Olympic or Paralympic Games are considered notable"). End of discussion. Merry Christmas. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 16:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
The prods for the Paralympic pages are gone now via Lugnuts. I am in the opinion that these articles should have some substance (results, medalists etc.) otherwise there is no point in having them. If somebody is looking for information they are going to find something if they read the main xxxx Paralympics page. I apologize if this is seen as disruptive, but my intentions were never to disrupt the project, merely to reduce the amount of pages that I felt were duplicating information. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I propose that all nation page articles have some content (results, medalists etc.) Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your offer. I'm sure everyone will welcome this constructive approach. Thincat (talk) 09:34, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Lots of articles that will very likely be deleted[edit]

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Olympian articles that will probably end up being deleted, and quickly. Please see this for more. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 08:04, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Unused Olympic sidebar navboxes[edit]

There's a discussion I opened at TFD re Template:RugbyUnionAt1920SummerOlympics that turns out to be a broader one concerning whether such unused templates, which only deal with one event, should be retained (multi-event ones are in common use). ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 08:18, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Djibouti at the Olympics[edit]

@Cameron11598: We have been working on making Djibouti at the Olympics a Good Topic. All articles are either Good Articles or at GAN right now with the exception of Djibouti at the Olympics. We aren't really sure what else we could possibly add to that article. Should we be summarizing each Olympic they appeared in> Let me know if you have suggestions, thanks! Kees08 (talk) 14:21, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

16,000 BLPs moving out of mainspace[edit]

Hi. Some of you will be aware of an ongoing issue of BLP articles created by Sander.v.Ginkel. The background at ANI can be found here. The discussion on the cleanup can be found here. In short, 16,000 BLP articles are being moved out of the mainspace to draftspace. This has already started following a Bot Approval. This should be complete in the next 48hrs or so. Articles will remain in draft for 90 days. In that time, they can be checked, and if OK, moved back to the mainspace. Anything not checked after 90 days will be deleted automatically.

So how can you help? The BLPs are broken down by occupational area. If an one of these interests you, please help. Even if it is checking one article. Check the article that has been moved to draft that a) it meets the notability requirement of the occupational area in question and b) that the facts in the article are supported by the sources. This includes, but is not limited to, the dates of birth, who they represented, when they were active, etc. If there are elements that can not be supported by the sources, they must be removed. If you are happy with the article, then move it back into the mainspace. DO NOT move anything until you have checked the sources, or supplied other reliable sources to support information in the article that may not already be cited. More information can be found here.

This is not going to be an easy task. I don't think there's too much support to check 16,000+ articles and I suspect that most of them will be gone after 90 days. If you have any questions, please raise them here. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 11:45, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Multi-sport article deletions[edit]

Please note that a large number of articles on multi-sport events have been nominated for deletion and require input. The comments so far are leaning delete. I have stated a preference to merge data to the central articles rather than wholesale deletion of it. User:Sportsfan 1234 has also separately PRODded a large number of articles in the last few days which are not listed here. I've contested a few keys articles, such as 2016 ASEAN University Games but haven't reviewed them all. SFB 23:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Part of a series of AfDs:

Debates that are finished/closed

WikiProject Sports and WikiProject Multi-sport events have been notified of these AfDs.