Talk:Eustace Mullins

Recent edits - over-quoting, long edits, unsourced edits

Over the past couple of days this article has been vastly expanded, with the insertion of large numbers of extremely lengthy quotes of Mullin's views, as well as various unsourced claims, and fawning statements taken from "facsimile reprints", and lengthy quotes from non-notables. The net effect is to make this article a soapbox for Mullins's views. I'd appreciate it if the editor in question would fix these problems, sourcing the unsourced material, and briefly paraphrasing the lengthy quotes. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I'm actually thinking that the amount of block quotes in the article at the moment constitutes copyvio. I'd also like to suggest that the editor who added the material pare it back, lest I begin boldly deleting things at random. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 07:05, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've started, but it's overwhelming. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Jayig - here is Mullins' book "Secrets of the Federal Reserve". You evidently are interested in writing about Mullins, so maybe you should become acquainted with his work before doing so. The facsimiles previously mentioned are in this pdf of the book, which is basically a copy of the online addition (with facsimiles added): http://www.mediafire.com/?mr14lwh2vmz

Stephen Zarlenga is notable in the monetary reform community, which is directly relevant to this topic. His organization is endorsed by notable individuals such as Dennis Kucinich and Michael Hudson. His website is here: http://monetary.org/ The following two items will give you the best overview of what Eustace Mullins felt he was dealing with:

1) http://www.archive.org/details/RussiaNo.1

2) http://americandeception.com/index.php?action=downloadpdf&photo=PDFsml_AD/Red_Symphony-Landowsky-1968-30pgs-POL.sml.pdf&id=340 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.238.152 (talk) 00:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm interested in what reliable secondary sources have to say about Mullins. That wouldn't include Mullins or Zarlenga. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Which is why I just cut out all the extended pull quotes from primary sources in the antisemitism section. I'm not opposed to limited quotes from Mullins, provided that a secondary source authenticates and establishes notability, but that was excessive, and was obscuring the fact that the section has essentially no reliable sources. 24.177.120.74 (talk) 04:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

That was a good edit, but as your comment points out, there's still a lot of work to be done. Jayjg ^(talk) 06:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

This Wiki is of a REALLY poor standard.

Half of this page consists of a completely un-sourced, 100% subjective, completely un-sourced rubbish.

• Many of the quotes simply don't exist in any of Mullin's works, they are not even para-phrased, but are rather simply... made up!

• Why is he listed as an "anti-semite" in the first sentence? Antisemitism isn't an occupation so not sure why you would add it to the list next to "biographer", etc, this alone betrays the writers clear intention which can be seen throughout the rest of the "article", and that is to focus entirely upon a subject which in reality was only a small part of the man's life. Even the article on Hitler doesn't say: "Hitler was a fascist, politician, anti-semite", because such a label needs to be subject to a discussion, and thus its only place is within the subsequent text!

• The "Antisemitism" section looks like it has been written by a four year old. Absolutely pathetic. Have you ever heard what a paragraph is? No sources. Quotes that are made up. Whole sections entirely consisting of the writers OPINION, stupid loaded phrases like: "he still defended the Romanov dynasty as if they were the saviors of mankind"..... Are you serious?

I've got to go but have only really touched on how poorly written this article is (easily the worst I've seen on Wiki). Hint: If you're going to push a political agenda or assassinate someones character, at least put even a token amount of effort into making it look !

Wikipedia is for OBJECTIVE analysis! Not personal subjective accounts of how much you dislikes someone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoological (talk • contribs) 14:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

FACTUAL ERRORS IN WIKI ARTICLE ABOUT MULLINS

There are numerous factual errors contained in this article. First, Mullins did not, as the article states, reproduce a large portion of his FBI file in his self-published book, A Writ For Martyrs.

The HQ main file on Mullins (HQ 105-15727) is 541 pages. In his "Writ" book, Mullins selected only about 60 serials to partially reproduce.

More importantly, Mullins doctored several of the serials to excise references to his homosexuality, anti-semitism, and connections to neo-nazis and racists.

In addition, there are several major FBI field office files pertaining to Mullins and those total several hundred more pages. Of particular interest are field files from New York City (100-112532) and Richmond VA (105-186). Unfortunately, the Chicago field file has been destroyed. There are also numerous cross-references in other files which discuss Mullins such as files on National States Rights Party, William B. Wernecke, Max Nelsen, Lyrl Clark Van Hyning, and many others.

I am currently working on the second edition of my report on the Mullins. I will be discussing, at length, various assertions made by, and articles written by, Mullins.

For example: I will devote considerable attention to the various hoaxes which Mullins authored including:

• the “Rabbi Rabinovich” speech
• the “Lizzie Stover College Fund”
• the “Israel Cohen” hoax
• the alleged Birch Society/Rockefeller “connection”

In addition, I will devote a major portion of my Report to a discussion of Mullins’ autobiographical book, “A Writ For Martyrs” — because a factual analysis of that book so clearly illustrates how political extremists manipulate data to preclude any adverse judgments about their own lives.

In his book, Mullins portrays himself (and his friend Max Nelsen) as completely innocent average Americans who were viciously hounded, harassed, and persecuted by an out-of-control “police-state” security organization accountable to no one (i.e. the FBI).

Here are some relevant facts which Mullins omits from his book:

(1) Mullins received training in explosives and bomb-making (!!!) at the farm of William Wernecke in Huntley IL. The FBI learned about this from interviewing Wernecke’s wife.

(2) Max Nelsen had advocated bombing synagogues in Illinois and he expressed approval of the October 1958 bombing of the Atlanta, Georgia Temple — which involved members of the National States Rights Party (NSRP). Mullins recommended membership in the NSRP and Nelsen was the Illinois leader of the NSRP plus he bragged about his close association with George Lincoln Rockwell (who later founded American Nazi Party) and other neo-nazis.

(3) During his college days, Nelsen sent anonymous threatening letters to the then-Mayor of Minneapolis (Hubert Humphrey) and to the Police Dept Detective who eventually arrested Nelsen. Furthermore, Nelsen plastered the area around his university campus with “Kill Jews” signs.

(4) Beyond that, the propaganda which Nelsen put out during his college years and subsequently in Illinois (in conjunction with Mullins through groups they co-founded such as M&N Associates, Realpolitical Institute, and Institute For Biopolitics) was explicitly inciteful of racial and religious hatred.

(5) In short, contrary to the whitewash which Mullins presents in his book, there were many legitimate reasons why the FBI became interested in both Mullins and Nelsen and why they both were listed as “potential bombing suspects” and “racial extremists”.

(6) From the FBI viewpoint, here were two guys (Mullins and Nelsen) that...

(a) constantly associated themselves with extremists (such as James Madole-National Renaissance Party, John Kasper—(Clinton TN riot fame), Joseph Beauharnais-White Circle League of Chicago and Emory Burke—The Columbians---which was listed as a subversive group on the Attorney General's List) OR

(b) who were involved in, or had condoned, violent acts or who had received instruction in bomb-making and use of explosives (for example: William Wernecke, James Madole, Emory Burke, F. Allen Mann, Joseph Beauharnais, John Kasper, etc) OR

(c) who had written or published literature which was extremely inflammatory and inciteful of racial and religious hatred

(d) Plus Mullins had lived (for varying periods of time) with some of these guys (such as William Wernecke, Matt Koehl, John Crommelin, John Kasper)

There is much more in Mullins’ book which is totally false or deliberately misrepresents the facts of the matters he discusses.

A brief preview:

I recently obtained the military service records plus additional FBI files pertaining to Mullins — who is described by his admirers as: “America’s premier populist historian…a titanic figure on the landscape of American (and world) history as a consequence of his monumental contributions to the arena of political, economic and philosophical discussion.” [American Free Press, 7/27/09, p A-4, "Meet Eustace Mullins"]

The actual beliefs, values, and life-long associations of Mullins reflect a totally different reality.

The new edition of my Mullins Report will incorporate scanned copies of personal correspondence and articles written by Mullins which have never previously been publicly revealed. Such data will conclusively demonstrate the life-long bigotry of Mullins and his history of fabricating hoaxes for his gullible readers.

1. MILITARY SERVICE

In most of his self-written biographical sketches Mullins described himself as “a veteran of the United States Air Force with 38 months of active service during World War II.”

However, according to his military service records at the Military Personnel Records Center (St. Louis MO):

Mullins served in the Army Air Corps from 1/2/43 until 2/5/46. He served as a Clerk-Typist but had no foreign service.

He received “two Summary Court-Martials” for being AWOL and for failure to report to an appointed place.

During his military service, he was hospitalized upon two different occasions:

(1) September 11, 1943 – September 17, 1943 = he was hospitalized with a diagnosis of “constitution psychopathic state, inadequate personality, EPTI” [EPTI=existing prior to induction]

(2) December 14, 1944 – February 29, 1945 = he was hospitalized with a diagnosis of “constitutional psychopathic state, unqualified, EPTI”

On this second occasion, Mullins was brought in as a prisoner. At the time of his arrest he had in his possession a gun and bullets and according to his service records “he made the statement to two officers that he had purchased the revolver with the intention of committing suicide sometime during the afternoon of his arrest…His reason was because he was tired of living.”

The doctors who evaluated him concluded that he exhibited “both psychopathic and neurotic trends, both due to the same dynamic latent homosexuality…”

Among his symptoms: having to urinate while sitting down, dreams of snakes, castration anxiety, fear of going blind and heart failure.

“The case was presented to the Section VIII Board for disposition and after a two to two deadlock, patient was ordered back to duty.”

“After completion of various tests, Mullins was determined to be a ‘malingerer’ and that disciplinary action rather than medical action should be taken.”

(2) EDUCATION

Mullins declared in his autobiographical summaries that:

“After serving thirty-eight months in the U.S. Army Air Force during World War II, Eustace Mullins was educated at Washington and Lee University, Ohio State University, University of North Dakota, and New York University. He later studied art at the Escuela des Bellas Artes, San Miguel de Allende Mexico and the Institute of Contemporary Arts, Washington, D.C.” [From: Mullins's self-published book, "The Curse of Canaan: A Demonology of History", Revelation Books, (Staunton VA), 1987, page 2, "About The Author"]; Also see American Free Press, 7/27/09, page A-4, “Meet Eustace Mullins”]

The reality:

(a) Washington and Lee University: He attended W&L from 2/46 to 2/48. He never declared a major. He did not graduate. His GPA was below the required minimum of “C”. (b) Ohio State University: The Registrar’s Office at Ohio State had no record of Mullins ever attending that University. (c) University of North Dakota: The Registrar’s Office at UND had no record of Mullins ever attending that University. (d) New York University: Mullins attended a summer session (June-September 1947). (e) Institute of Contemporary Arts: Mullins attended as a writing student in 1948-1949. He did not receive a degree.

(3) 1958 INCOME TAX RETURN

Mullins claimed a $60 deduction representing a bad debt allegedly owed him by “Mr. Leslie Richards, FBI”. No person by that name ever was employed by the FBI.

Mullins also claimed that he donated $125 to United Jewish Appeal and $75 to the Urban League.

The IRS declined to prosecute Mullins for tax fraud only because the cost of prosecution would exceed the amount of money that could be recovered. Ernie1241 (talk) 20:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

What evidence is there that proves that Mullins is an anti-Jewish?

I haven't seen any proof or evidence that says Mullins is anti-Semitic. Anti-Semite isn't even an accurate description since Semites are not only Jews, but Arabs. Why don't you just provide substantial and conclusive proof/evidence that Mullins is anti-Jewish? I know already he must be anti-Zionist, but that does not equate with anti-Jewry. Zionism is only political movement/state and Jewry is ethnicity/religion. Hey and I'm sure that there are Jews that hold the same views as he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscarmarin1995 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Nice character assassination

Taking shots at somebody in the first sentence of an allegedly encyclopedic article? New lows my friends. New lows. AnAimlessRoad (talk) 00:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)