Talk:International recognition of the State of Palestine

South Sudan

According to this site [1], South Sudan has recognized Palestine. --Ahmetyal 21:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Iceland recognizes Palestine

The Icelandic Althing has just recognized Palestine as a sovereign state ([2]). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.104.42.129 (talk) 21:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Is this done? I'm getting mixed messages from news reports. The parliament has voted to pass the motion—we knew that was coming, but has the government actually formally declared its recognition? Some reports are saying it's coming, others say it's done... Nightw 05:37, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

This is the key act. In other cases we have used similar acts. Unfortunately, it is very difficult in many countries to ascertain when a passed measure becomes law and is implemented. In some cases there is genuine ambiguity. I think it is better for us to use the first moment when a nation DECIDES to recognize, rather than get mired in the legal confusion of when, technically, recognition is actually extended. Jsolinsky (talk) 12:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

BTW, why did we decide to hide Tuvalu? Jsolinsky (talk) 12:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

We need a statement of recognition from the foreign ministry, which should come with a comment on borders. At the moment, the resolution simply states: "Althingi resolves to entrust the government to recognise Palestine as an independent and sovereign state". The Spanish and Belgian parliaments passed the same resolution in July. I don't think we can use this. I hid Tuvalu because we don't have any information on its position. Another editor wanted to add rows for all disputed states which we don't have information on either, just for the sake of having them there, and was using Tuvalu's blank entry as precedent. So instead of having a whole bunch of other empty lines for the sake of it, we agreed to simply not list them. Nightw 13:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, I don't think there is any evidence that this has actually happened yet. The Icelandic MFA has said that "the vote had given him the authority to make a formal declaration on the government's behalf, but before doing so he would discuss the move with other Nordic countries." . Though the translation is a bit garbled, the Palestine MOFA doesn't seem to think it has happend yet either [3]. The translations says: "The Minister of Foreign Affairs that will be a quick visit to Iceland to take over the decision to recognize and sign a mutual recognition agreement for the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries.". TDL (talk) 17:24, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Here is the official Icelandic recognition of Palestine from the MFA of Palestine. [4] --Ahmetyal 16:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Ireland

Does really Ireland recognize Palestine? I think the jewish source makes no difference between Ireland and Iceland. Any other source available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seuthes (talk • contribs) 09:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Tuvalu

Am i blind? Where did Tuvalu's recognition go?

GuzzyG (talk) 01:08, 2 December 2011 (GMT)

Singapore

Singapore has appereantly recognized the State of Palestine back in November 1988. [5] --Ahmetyal 16:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

More recent sources seem to say otherwise: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/05/28/palestine-gets-nam-support-liberty-un-membership.html. I've reverted their inclusion until the situation is clearer. TDL (talk) 19:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

State of Palestine is not recognized by Poland

According to official Polish list of states published in collaboration with Ministry of Foreign Affairs as a realization of the Regulation of the Minister of the Interior and Administration ([6]), State of Palestine is not recognized by Poland. Poland treated Palestine as “territory with undetermined or disputed international status” (p. 65). So, Poland should be removed from the “States that have recognised” list. Aotearoa (talk) 07:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, weird. According to the UN, communist Poland recognized the State of Palestine in 1988.[7] And also according to the PNA.[8] --Ahmetyal 13:41, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

No, is not according to UN. UNESCO source (not UN) is only unofficial note submitted by few countries without any confirmation of facts showing in it – this document is not official statement of UNESCO nor Poland, this is only point of view of Algeria, Indonesia, Mauritania, Niger, Senegal and Yemen (this is only explanatory note prepared by 6 countries and presented during the session of the Executive Board of UNESCO (not during the General Conference), without any information whether this document was formally adopted or not.). I found also the questions raised in 2007 by a Member of Polish Parliament to the Minister of Foreign Affairs about the Sovereign Military Order of Malta [9]. The second question is: "Czy Rzeczpospolita Polska utrzymuje stosunki dyplomatyczne z innym jeszcze podmiotem, który nie jest państwem, poza tym Zakonem Kościoła katolickiego oraz Stolicą Apostolską?" (Is the Republic of Poland maintains diplomatic relations with yet another entity that is not a state, except this Order of the Catholic Church and except the Holy See?). The Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the minister, said in the official answer provided in the Polish Parliament [10]: "Polska nie utrzymuje stosunków dyplomatycznych z innymi podmiotami międzynarodowymi niebędącymi państwami za wyjątkiem Suwerennego Zakonu Kawalerów Maltańskich, Stolicy Apostolskiej oraz Palestyny." (Poland does not maintain diplomatic relations with other international entities that are not a states with the exception of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, the Holy See and Palestine). Ministry of Foreign Affairs explicitly mentioned the Palestine as "international entity that is not a state." So, Polish official point of view is very clear – Palestine is not recognized as state. Aotearoa (talk) 16:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

• • But on the other hand the same Polish MFA says: [11] Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary EMBASSY OF PALESTINE?
  • And as we know from international diplomacy, Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador can not be representative of the unrecognized by you state!--analitic114 (talk) 06:40, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
    • Poland has recognized PLO, and later PNC, not State of Palestine. Order of Malta has also Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary in Poland, but Order of Malta, like Palestine, is not recognized by Poland as a state. In other site MFA listed Izrael i Obszar Podległy Palestyńskiej Władzy Narodowej (Zachodni Brzeg i Strefa Gazy) – Israel and Areas Subordinated to Palestine National Council [12]. And letter of MFA: File:Answer of Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.jpg – Palestinian Embassy in Warsaw is the Palestinian National Authority Embassy, not the State of Palestine Embassy (translation: Letter from Vice-director of the Department of Africa and the Middle East [of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs] to Vice-director of the Protocol [of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs] (Warsaw, August 19, 2010): In response to your letter No. PD 191/343/10 on the name of the Palestinian embassy, the Department of Africa and the Middle East is pleased to announce that it maintained the position provided by Director K. Połomski in June 1997, that at present stage of the formation of Palestinian statehood should be preserved the current name of this diplomatic post, ie the „Embassy of Palestine”. Representatives of the Palestinian National Authority regularly announce a declaration of create Palestinian state and to ask the members of UN to its international recognition, what constitutes a means of pressure on the Israeli authorities. The question of the possible reaction to such Palestinian declaration is the subject of discussion at the EU forum. Poland makes the recognition of the state of Palestine conditional on achieving a peace agreement between the parties of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict). In this article we have Of the 193 member states of the United Nations, 128 (66,3%) have recognised the State of Palestine as of 15 December 2011, not Of the 193 member states of the United Nations, 128 (66,3%) have recognised the State of Palestine or Palestine National Council as of 15 December 2011. No Polish sources confirmed this, but official sources denied this. Aotearoa (talk) 07:43, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
• Can I therefore remove Poland from the list? Aotearoa (talk) 08:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

These sources are primary primary and your interpretations seem based on coincidental terminology. "Palestine" could refer to anything, most likely in this case to the PLO, which uses that name in international relations as per Res. 177. We need a secondary source to back up your interpretation. Nightw 11:48, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Ukrainian SSR is not Ukraine and Ukraine supports the future creation of an independent Palestinian state

The Ukrainian SSR might have recognized the State of Palestine in 1988... But Ukraine's (independent since 1991...) Foreign Minister Kostiantyn Hryschenko said today "We consistently support the Palestinians' right to self-determination and the future creation of an independent Palestinian state, which would live side-by-side with Israel peacefully". I also have found no evidence of Ukraine recognising a State of Palestine as an independent nation (i.o.w. after 1991). In my opinion Ukraine should be moved from section "4.1 States that have recognised" to "4.2 States that have not recognised". As it seems that Ukraine did not ‘’take over’’ this part of the legacy of the Ukrainian SSR. Agree? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:46, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Diplomatic relations between Ukraine and Palestine were established in 2001.[13] and the State of Palestine have an embassy in Ukraine[14] and the other way.[15] Ahmetyal 17:54, 29 December 2011

I am afraid you have been bamboozled.... This 2001 Ukrainian newsspaper article in English sees the opening of the Palestine embassy in Ukraine as evidence of "de facto recognition of Palestinian statehood by Ukraine". Israel's Ambassador to Ukraine Zina Kalay-Kleitman said last July "Israel hopes that Ukraine won't recognize Palestine as a state at the session of the General Assembly of the United Nations in September". They may have diplomatic relations but that is not evidence of Ukraine recognising a State of Palestine as an independent nation. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly what it means. Recognition is a necessary precondition for the establishment of full, diplomatic relations, as that's where the right of legation comes from. Furthermore, as legal successor to the former Soviet republic, Ukraine inherits all acts and treaties passed under that regime unless they are overturned or declared void by the relevant legal authority. Unless there is any evidence that it has done so in this instance (and there would be if it had been done, as it would cause quite a stir), the act of recognition by the previous regime still stands. The support for "self-determination and the future creation of a Palestinian state" is something every government and even the President of the State of Palestine talks about—nobody actually thinks a state currently exists—it's reality versus what's on paper. Nightw 14:19, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense.... Should this not be mentioned in the "Relevant membership, further details" section of the States that have recognised-table. For the causal reader it now appears Ukraine (and Belarus) was an independent state on 19 November 1988... It also seems Israel (and mabey Ukrainian Ministers) are ignoring "as legal successor to the former Soviet republic, Ukraine inherits all acts and treaties passed under that regime unless they are overturned or declared void by the relevant legal authority"... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:52, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks all for the cooperation (we made the article a little better!) and happy new year! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that, and same to you. Nightw 03:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Recognition map is not accurate

Thailand only recently recognized Palestine, however it has been colored green for about a year now. Who knows what else was factually wrong with this map. --Bxj (talk) 13:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Thailand is not green now. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

UNESCO Membership

The list of states reflects recognition via the Arab League of States and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, but not UNESCO.

Austria, France, and Spain voted to admit Palestine as full member of UNESCO and should be added to the list of states that have recognized its statehood. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/01/unesco-countries-vote-palestinian-membership

The fact that two States are members of the same international organization doesn't necessarily constitute recognition of statehood. However, when other states vote to admit an entity like Palestine as a full member, that does constitute recognition of statehood. See for example The Restatement (Third) of the Foreign Relations Law of the United States § 204 Reporters Note 2 on "Express or Implied Recognition" and the consequences of voting in favor of membership in an international organization that is only open to membership by states.

Only States are eligible for full membership in accordance with Article II of the UNESCO Constitution. http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=15244&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

The State Department announced that the United States has stopped funding the UNESCO because of the vote to admit Palestine and a legal requirement to cut U.S. funds to any U.N. agency that recognizes a Palestinian state. See UNESCO votes to admit Palestine; U.S. cuts off funding harlan (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)