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Gript 'right-wing'

51.37.228.25, stop removing 'right-wing' from the description of Gript. It is a) sourced; and b) you don't have consensus for removal. You can't remove sourced content just because you don't like it. Edit-warring will get you blocked. I invite you self-revert and discuss here. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is a slur and inaccurate. Gript Media doesnt aim to be a right wing site. It also is not sourced. There is just an irrelevant citation to the Business Post. Using this terminology is incorrect and against Wiki policy. Aerchasúr (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So, it's not sourced, but also, sourced, and you don't like what it says? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a source to a Sunday Business Post article which doesnt even mention the word right-wing once. The Business Post uses the term conservative. I guess you didnt read the source. Aerchasúr (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we can add more sources, so. Don't remove right-wing again, without consensus. But Does this individual really merit a wikipedia page? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:45, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then add more sources instead of talking about it. I dont know if he warrants an article. I wouldnt have proposed it. Aerchasúr (talk) 10:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I already did. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Views and controversies

This is a rambling chaotic mess of points that violates Views and controversies. It doesn't meet WP:NPOV. This section should be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerchasúr (talk • contribs) 21:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's four pieces of referenced, relevant content that serve to make the subject borderline notable. Which of them would you like to whitewash? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nonneutral

Totally unacceptable to call Gript far right. Highly contrary to WP:POV. The first citation is anonymous website, the second, a blog doesn't actually describe Gript as far-right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NakamuraTaki (talk • contribs) 23:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right classification

I would like to note that the sources used to refer to Gript as "far right" on this article do not actually say that Gript is "far right." I have attempted to rectify this, but the edits have been undone without a reason for reversion given. The only source which comes close to calling Gript far-right is the Beacon, which calls them 'alt right.' However, the Beacon is an largely anonymous blog, with unclear providence and clear political intent, which is not a member of the Irish Press Council nor widely regarded as a reputable news source. Multiple other mainstream news sources, including RTE, the Irish Times, and the Journal.ie, have discussed Gript without classing them as 'far-right.' Perpetualgrasp^{User_talk:Perpetualgrasp} 10:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How about IrishCentral? They were founded by a notable journalist (Niall O'Dowd), have editors and staff with journalism backgrounds, and they're widely cited by reliable media sources. Woodroar (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not lie. Reasons have indeed been given as to why you were reverted. There are three references that call them far-right. Do not continue to revert to your preferred version - that's not how Wikipedia works, and is edit-warring. Persist, and you will be blocked. Referenced content restored while discussion continues. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 1, The Beacon: Uses a subheading of "Far-right leaks?" when discussing Gript.

Reference 2, the Future Media Journal from the DCU Institute of Future Media, Democracy and Society, in an article titled "How the far-right incite hatred": In Ireland, those echoing the far-right message include parties like Renua and the alternative media outlets Gript and The Burkean.

Those entries were already there when you began edit-warring, I believe? Both are valid sources, until the Reliable Sources Noticeboard decides otherwise. I will now add the Irish Central reference (thanks Woodroar!). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Please do not lie. Reasons have indeed been given as to why you were reverted. There are three references that call them far-right. Do not continue to revert to your preferred version - that's not how Wikipedia works, and is edit-warring. Persist, and you will be blocked. Referenced content restored while discussion continues. [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 13:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
+:Reference 1, The Beacon: Uses a subheading of "Far-right leaks?" when discussing Gript.
+:Reference 2, the Future Media Journal from the DCU Institute of Future Media, Democracy and Society, in an article titled "How the far-right incite hatred": {{tpq| In Ireland, those echoing the far-right message include parties like Renua and the alternative media outlets Gript and The Burkean.}}
+:Those entries were already there when you began edit-warring, I believe?  Both are valid sources, until the Reliable Sources Noticeboard decides otherwise. I will now add the Irish Central reference (thanks {{u|Woodroar}}!). [[User:Bastun|<span style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif">Bastun</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Bastun|Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!]]</sup> 14:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)