Talk:La Salida

Es.wiki article

NoonIcarus I would remove the tag suggesting this article be translated from the Spanish article, as that article is almost entirely SYNTH. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: Thanks for the heads up. I found some SYNTH in the article, but didn't know it was so present. Tag removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Controversial claims

@WMrapids: I sincerely think you should try to use sources such as news outlets and journalists instead of think tanks and academic papers, which should prevent the inclusion of minorty of even fringe points of view, including that the student movement was funded by the United States. At some times, all of this just repeats the unreliable government narrative, even if unknowingly. Regards, NoonIcarus (talk) 11:32, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Are you serious? WMrapids (talk) 19:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

The goal was to remove Maduro

Why are we using the undue press release of the opposition in the intro instead of secondary sources? This article is reading like a blatant propaganda piece now. WMrapids (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: I have added an alternative description in the lead hoping it will be less disputed. What do you think about it? I know for a fact that civil disobedience is a term used by sources, but I have to look in the footnotes exactly which ones. This can be a neutral way to express the peaceful purpose of the campaign, even if it could differ in practice. If this isn't a good option, the original and last stable version should be restored. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Once again, with rapid-fire changes, I can't track what you're asking or what version we're on. In this version, I see multiple issues:

1. The scholarly source for the date when the effort begin is removed.
2. Lower and working class individuals found the La Salida campaign dubious ... is an unattributed opinion (of a source I wouldn't use, but your mileage may vary).
3. According to sociology professor María Pilar García-Guadilla of Simón Bolívar University, some students in the campaign were involved in multiple informal groups, which resulted with strategies "that ranged from the most institutional to the insurrectional." ... more of the same problem we've discussed elsewhere ... singling out a single individual to highlight what comes across as one cherry-picked opinion, rather than reflect a preponderance of sources.
4. The Maduro government would bring attention to evidence that the student movement was funded by the United States, specifically the United States Agency for International Development ... is unbalanced ... and phrased in a way to leave negative implications about AID funding (which Chavez tried also with Sumate).

In this version, the source of the date is back, but all mention of how Lopez defined the effort (and since he launched it, we'd expect to see how he defined it) is gone. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Date launch

WMrapids could you explain here why you are deleting a scholarly review that sources the date of the beginning of the effort? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)