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Requested move 25 April 2024

The request to rename this article to Begoña Gómez has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

– The wife of the prime minister is WP:COMMONNAME by her second given name, see [1] [2] [3]. Also requesting WP:BOLD move as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the wife of a head of government of 50 million people has more lasting influence than a participant in a minor sport. Even searching for news of "begona gomez judo" throws up results like this where a judo competition is the main story but the "Begona Gomez" is the prime minister's wife, linked in most read. [4] Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Per WP:COMMONNAME, it is clear that the common name of the PM's spouse is Begoña Gómez without the Maria section. Also agree that she is the primary topic rather than the judoka. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 20:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Its funny that none of you gentlemen asked me -:), why I named the article the way I did. Obviously I had to think about that, because Begoña Gómez hilariously had already been taken for the judoka and I didnt know how to do a redirect or rename before writing this article.- I actually asked someone (see edit summary) who slammed an orphan tag on the page within the first 30 min of its birth - But let s look at how the Spanish WP deals with this- that´s what I did-: Begoña Gómez Martín is the judoka and Begoña Gómez Fernández is the page for Pedro Sanchez´ wife. I followed that pattern, inconsequentially you might say, because I omitted Fernandez. Different sources definitely do use different names for her BTW, so I disagree with ⁂CountHacker, that it was totally clear what her common name is. --Wuerzele (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more than open to change my vote depending if I see that there are a decent amount of different sources using María Begoña Gómez. I can only make that judgment based on the sources that I see. From the one English source in the article from the BBC, and the sources provided by @Unknown Temptation, it appears that Begoña Gómez is the common name. I can't tell you why the Spanish WP choose that article title, however different languages can have different common names. If you can demonstrate sufficient sourcing proving that María Begoña Gómez is the common name, via English-language sources, I will edit my vote. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 00:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

⁂CountHackerI dont get a notification if you edit here, so just read your comment. I agree with you: reviewing English language articles which have popped up since I wrote the article all refer to her as Begoña Gómez.--Wuerzele (talk) 16:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I didn't ask anyone, including the page creator, who would have had the notification of somebody editing their page anyway. This page is "in the news" so a wide number of people will see the discussion. What the Spanish Wikipedia does is technically another story as that's a different language, and a Wikipedia with different practices in disambiguating people. In Spanish it is quite common custom to disambiguate two people by using their second surname, but in English those second surnames are rarely known, and it's "clear as mud" to separate people by their profession, which we get from "Begoña Gómez (judoka)". If we had a picture of a prime minister's wife, and a picture of a judoka in uniform, could the average person tell which one was the judoka? And could the average person tell whose mother's surname was Fernández or Martín? Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unknown Temptation I dont get a notification if you edit here, not sure what you are referring to by "the page creator, who would have had the notification of somebody editing their page"? Pining helps -:)

Support: Very few people have looked at this discussion - probably less than the 58 views since the talk page was created and it looks like there is no more input. I think it is fair to move /rename the 2 pages as suggested by Unknown Temptation, based on WP:COMMONNAME in English language articles written since article creation. Who does the pagemove?--Wuerzele (talk) 16:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 * '''Support''' -  Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], it is clear that the common name of the PM's spouse is Begoña Gómez without the Maria section. Also agree that she is the primary topic rather than the judoka. [[User:CountHacker|⁂CountHacker]] ([[User talk:CountHacker|talk]]) 20:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
-* '''Comment:''' Its funny that none of you gentlemen asked me -:), why I named the article the way I did. Obviously I had to think about that, because [[Begoña Gómez]] hilariously had already been taken for the judoka and I didnt know how to do a redirect or rename before writing this article.- I actually asked someone (see edit summary) who slammed an orphan tag on the page within the first 30 min of its birth  - But let s look at how the Spanish WP deals with this- that´s what I did-:   [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bego%C3%B1a_G%C3%B3mez_Mart%C3%ADn| Begoña Gómez Martín] is the judoka and  [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bego%C3%B1a_G%C3%B3mez_Fern%C3%A1ndez|Maria Begoña Gómez Fernández] is the page for Pedro Sanchez wife. I followed that pattern, inconsequentially you might say, because I omitted Fernandez. Different sources definitely do use different names for her BTW, so I disagree with [[User:CountHacker|⁂CountHacker]], that it was totally clear what her common name is. --[[User:Wuerzele|Wuerzele]] ([[User talk:Wuerzele|talk]]) 00:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
+* '''Comment:''' Its funny that none of you gentlemen asked me -:), why I named the article the way I did. Obviously I had to think about that, because [[Begoña Gómez]] hilariously had already been taken for the judoka and I didnt know how to do a redirect or rename before writing this article.- I actually asked someone (see edit summary) who slammed an orphan tag on the page within the first 30 min of its birth  - But let s look at how the Spanish WP deals with this- that´s what I did-:   [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bego%C3%B1a_G%C3%B3mez_Mart%C3%ADn| Begoña Gómez Martín] is the judoka and  [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bego%C3%B1a_G%C3%B3mez_Fern%C3%A1ndez|Maria Begoña Gómez Fernández] is the page for Pedro Sanchez´ wife. I followed that pattern, inconsequentially you might say, because I omitted Fernandez. Different sources definitely do use different names for her BTW, so I disagree with [[User:CountHacker|⁂CountHacker]], that it was totally clear what her common name is. --[[User:Wuerzele|Wuerzele]] ([[User talk:Wuerzele|talk]]) 00:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 *:I'm more than open to change my vote depending if I see that there are a decent amount of different sources using María Begoña Gómez. I can only make that judgment based on the sources that I see. From the one English source in the article from the BBC, and the sources provided by @[[User:Unknown Temptation|Unknown Temptation]], it appears that Begoña Gómez is the common name. I can't tell you why the Spanish WP choose that article title, however different languages can have different common names. If you can demonstrate sufficient sourcing proving that María Begoña Gómez is the common name, via English-language sources, I will edit my vote. [[User:CountHacker|⁂CountHacker]] ([[User talk:CountHacker|talk]]) 00:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
+:::[[User:CountHacker|⁂CountHacker]]I dont get a notification if you edit here, so just read your comment. I agree with you: reviewing English language articles which have popped up since I wrote the article all refer to her as Begoña Gómez.--[[User:Wuerzele|Wuerzele]] ([[User talk:Wuerzele|talk]]) 16:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 *:'''Comment''': I didn't ask anyone, including the page creator, who would have had the notification of somebody editing their page anyway. This page is "in the news" so a wide number of people will see the discussion. What the Spanish Wikipedia does is technically another story as that's a different language, and a Wikipedia with different practices in disambiguating people. In Spanish it is quite common custom to disambiguate two people by using their second surname, but in English those second surnames are rarely known, and it's "clear as mud" to separate people by their profession, which we get from "Begoña Gómez (judoka)". If we had a picture of a prime minister's wife, and a picture of a judoka in uniform, could the average person tell which one was the judoka? And could the average person tell whose mother's surname was Fernández or Martín? [[User:Unknown Temptation|Unknown Temptation]] ([[User talk:Unknown Temptation|talk]]) 10:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
+::[[User:Unknown Temptation|Unknown Temptation]] I dont get a notification if you edit here, not sure what you are referring to by "the page creator, who would have had the notification of somebody editing their page"? Pining helps -:)
+*'''Support''': Very few people have looked at this discussion - probably less than the 58 views since the talk page was created and it looks like there is no more input. I think it is fair to move /rename the 2 pages as suggested by [[User:Unknown Temptation|Unknown Temptation]],  based on [[WP:COMMONNAME]] in English language articles written since article creation. Who does the pagemove?--[[User:Wuerzele|Wuerzele]] ([[User talk:Wuerzele|talk]]) 16:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)