Talk:Mediterranean climate

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The map is kind of difficult to see

The contrast between the green, grey, and yellow is quite low; can someone generate a new map with more distinct colors? Mattdn8 (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

That is unfortunately not that easy. High resolution maps, especially global ones, are notoriously hard to generate. The color scheme is the one most often used by reliable sources and is consistent as well, so changing it might not be great practice. Uness232 (talk) 15:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Warm summer Mediterranean

@Unseen warm summer Mediterranean places are usually overall wetter than their hot summer counterparts. דולב חולב (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@Unees232 דולב חולב (talk) 01:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@Uness232 דולב חולב (talk) 01:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think a generalization of that sort can be made. Even warmer Csa climates can be very wet, like Antalya. Uness232 (talk) 02:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

It’s true Antalya is relatively wet, but warm summer Mediterranean climate places are much wetter like Redwood , Porto is very wet in a way that I’ve never seen in the hot summer subtype, Portland and more

did I convinced you? דולב חולב (talk) 02:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Seattle, Braga and their grounds are more humid supporting forests and not only shrubs. That’s also something we should add. דולב חולב (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Whether a region supports shrubs or forests as its vegetation depends on not just precipitation but also the temperature patterns and the length of dry season. Csb locations in Pacific Northwest have short dry season and colder wintres than typical Mediterranean cities.

Most Csb locations are wet, but not all of them, Ávila in central Spain is far from being wet, still qualifies for Csb. Cape Town is Csb but has less than 600 mm precip, while Naples is close to 1000mm. Victoria in British Columbia is Csb but with 600mm of Precip.

As Uness stated, we cannot generalize such argument that Csb cities are wetter than Csa cities in a borad term. It would be a case of Wikipedia:OR. PAper GOL (talk) 08:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok… you gave some great examples, but still most of the Csb cities i seen are pretty wet, and the Csa cities are not as wet.

but in terms of vegetation, Csb always supports more trees and not only shrubs or mostly shrubs like the Csa. דולב חולב (talk) 11:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Bay laurel and buckeye

Bay laurel and Buckeyes aren’t trees, especially the Aesculus californica.

They are both shrubs, while the Bay laurel is an evergreen and the and the Buckeyes is a flowering plant.

Every source calls them a large shrub or a small tree, but I think if we would take the 10 meters designation, and other features, it is more of a shrub.

for the Aesculus California, it is usually described as a shrub, and only in rare cases as a tree. So in this case it is much easier. https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/aesculus-californica/ based here.

דולב חולב (talk) 15:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Other Aesculus are trees, but not the ones found in the Mediterranean climate. דולב חולב (talk) 15:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Fruit “trees“

On the paragraph of fruit trees, you wrote grapes, which are obviously not trees, and olives which are commonly mistaken for trees, but are actually shrubs. I suggest you to write Fruit plants , instead of the word trees. דולב חולב (talk) 15:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I live in a Cs- like region and here Olive plants are definitly trees. dont know about grapes though.PAper GOL (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Grapes are definitely not trees, same for olives דולב חולב (talk) 14:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@דולב חולב Neither the word tree nor the word shrub are strictly defined, and choosing an arbitrary line to delineate them is not helpful. Olives may not fit your definition of tree, but they do fit most colloquial and technical definitions, and are very rarely called an 'olive shrub'. This is also the case in most Mediterranean countries, where the word 'tree' is embedded into the word for the olive plant (see Greek ελαιόδεντρο and Turkish zeytin ağacı). Uness232 (talk) 14:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

It’s because those countries aren’t featuring a lot of real tall trees. But from what I’ve learned, the 10 meters definition is well agreed upon. דולב חולב (talk) 14:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Grevillea

As for Grevillea, if you’re talking about Grevillea striata , so yes it’s are a tree.

but Grevillea striata isn’t common in those regions. All of the other Grevillea plants common in a Mediterranean climate, aren’t trees. דולב חולב (talk) 15:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Wording

@Uness232 if the problem with my edit is only a matter of wording, than I’d love if you could do it yourself. דולב חולב (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)