Talk:North Carolina State University

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Former good articleNorth Carolina State University was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 5, 2006Good article nomineeListed
June 28, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
September 26, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
June 24, 2008Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

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GA delisting

Unfortunately, I am delisting this article from the good articles list. Please see below for my comments. I'm disheartened that the article hasn't improved and the only activity is vandalism. I encourage you to improve and resubmit the article as I'm sure it can be "good again" with a little effort. Thanks. HolomorphicHamster (talk) 20:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA reassessment – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    The lead does not adequately summarize the article. Try expanding it some. See WP:LEAD for more information. Also suggest copyediting the whole article and peer review.
    B. MoS compliance:
    See semi-automated peer review below.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    The "athletics" section could be expanded. See WP:SS for advice on summarizing the "NC State Wolfpack" page.
    B. Focused:
    The long list of Greek organizations seems out of place. Other good school articles don't tend to list every fraternity or sorority. Is North Carolina State University especially notable for these? Also is dodgeball more significant than other elements of student-life at the university?
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    Be careful to justify phrases such as "The university is well known for its award-winning, celebratory Homecoming traditions".
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
    Much vandalism, maybe seek semi-protection if it continues.
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
    Do the "NC State Wolfpack" and "Technician" logos meet the significance criterion of WP:FAIR?: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding."
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    I'm sure this could be a good article again. Please improve and resubmit it and I or another editor would be more than happy to review it.

HolomorphicHamster (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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HolomorphicHamster (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"North Carolina State University at Raleigh"

I don't doubt the correctness of the name, but I've never heard it used, so it would be useful if someone could explain the usage and add a reference. Hippo (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"North Carolina State University at Raleigh" is the official name as set by NC General Statute. This was a compromise during the time after NC State was officially called "North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina at Raleigh" (no joke). Convention drops the "at raleigh" part of the name.

NC State as Named in NC GS

History of NC State

--Thunder (talk) 15:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting... The NCGA do the strangest things at times... Hippo (talk) 17:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I think the info box is too much. It is to be a high level view of the university, but having every name that NC State has had is too much. Can we cut that back?--Thunder (talk) 04:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, though I'm not sure if we can just pick one of the former names as before. Since I think they're all in the article, I propose we remove the field. Hippo (talk) 17:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, the "at Raleigh" should be in the opening of the article but we should not otherwise muddy the water.--Thunder (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Associate's Degree

Shouldn't there be inclusion of the Associate's degree programs offered at NCSU? I've only found a few on the NCSU homepage, though it seems there's a long tradition of offering these degrees at NCSU. Perhaps someone who is more familiar with the subject could take charge? Fletch81 (talk) 00:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NC State offers a few associate degrees programs through its Ag school. I can't see why this small program (less than 400) students should be high lighted in a encyclopedia article. There are many other, larger more notable programs that don't have their own section.--Thunder (talk) 01:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not advocating its own section, but it should be included in the summary of academics. The number of Bachelors, Masters, and Doctoral programs are all at least mentioned. This seems to be a logical inclusion. Fletch81 (talk) 04:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of John Edwards photo

Jun 12, 2008 Thunder8 added an image of John Edwards to the people section of the NC State article. I have attempted to remove this image, along with others. My objection to the image is that John Edwards does not meet the criteria for significance as suggested in the article. The article as written on Sept 1, 2008 says “A number of NC State alumni and faculty have made significant contributions in the fields of government, military, science, academia, business, arts, and athletics, among others.” The next sentence reads “John Edwards, former senator and two time presidential candidate, and James B. Hunt Jr., 4-term Governor of North Carolina, are among the most notable alumni with involvement in politics.” John Edwards 6 year term as a U.S. Senator and failed presidential runs along with his failed bid for the vice presidency on the Democratic ticket with John Kerry certainly gained him notoriety. However, as events occur to elevate an individual in terms of their notability (and importantly with regard to their “contributions”), events may also contribute to lessoning and even reversing that notability. At this point in time John Edwards’s notability is certain, but not as a politician. I would argue that John Edwards is a pop culture figure (i.e. scandalized national politician). Any claim to significance was largely dependent on his ability to gain national office (elected or appointed), a task at which he has consistently failed. Governor James Hunt is a much more “significant” political figure having reshaped the office of governor in the state of North Carolina. I would argue for his picture to appear on this page. The publication of John Edwards’s picture is simply a nod to a popular obsession with scandal. This article was created in August of 2002; the content I am objecting to was just 70 odd days prior to my first edit. jk1lee (talk) 03:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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