Talk:Albania during the Balkan Wars

Second sentence

Second sentence is already incorrect. There are several nations on Balkan peninsula that had no state. At that time Croatians and slovenians had no state. Macedonians had no state. Cincar and Bunjevci even today are without state. Article is also full pov pushing.--SLAK (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

 Fixed. --Sulmues _talk 18:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Page title

Title is incorrect. Reader could think that only Serbia was occupying Albania, if there were a occupation. Title of the page should be "Occupation of Albanian 1912-13". Serbia was not the only one who was occupying Albania. What was difference betweet Serbian, Greek or Montenegrian occupation? --Alexmilt (talk) 20:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

That is  Fixed by now. --Sulmues _talk 18:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Greek occupation of Albania

User:Athenean has removed referenced content without prior discussion:

"Greek Occupation of Southern Albania lasted from December 1912 to March 1914. Despite the Albanian declaration of neutrality in the Balkan War, the Greek Navy on 4 December 1912 shelled the unfortified city of Vlora."

What is the exact problem with this paragraph? --Mladifilozof (talk) 20:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The reason was that the original source used, Edwin Jacques, is highly partisan and moreover not a historian, therefore he should not be used. Athenean (talk) 00:34, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I now note that Jacques has been replaced by Vickers, yet the same exact text was kept. However, Vickers doesn't say anything about the Greeks bombarding Vlore. Also, Vickers says "though the Greeks" remained neutral until 1917", not that Albania remained neutral. The source is misused. Athenean (talk) 00:41, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Article should be renamed

Albania's borders were drawn December 1913. Considering this the Balkan countries were not in Albanian territory by Ottoman. The current title is misleading, it would be appropriate to name it: Albanian during Balkan Wars. Can someone assist me with this?CrazyMartini (talk) 23:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi CrazyMartini. I fully agree with you over the issue you raise and I have actually looked at this quite recently. It is very difficult for a variety of reasons; the main one is that information on "Albania" is inconclusive. In a technical sense, you are right: Serbia, Montenegro and Greece were merely endeavouring to incorporate the Rumelian regions from which the Ottomans were driven out into their respecive states. The difficulty arises where we introduce the name Albania. It is a fact that ethnic Albanian anti-Ottomans too staged a campaign within lands where they resided and they did this not allied to the Balkan League. To thad end, their opponents were both the Ottomans and the Balkan League. Then there is the fact that an autonomous principality of Albania had come into existence and one that was accepted by the Porte. This I believe happened in October 1912. Now not that this warrants the usage "occupation", Albania (in its current form and including the Vilayet of Kosovo) was declared independent by the Provisional Government of Albania in November of 1912. The question is, when was Albania recognised? This information is nowhere on Wikipedia, I raised the issue here and as you can see, no reply. It leaves one more matter, which is that this article is sourced, and right or wrong, those sources refer to an occupation of Albania so its usage is in that small way acceptable. It is one huge gray area. Evlekis (Евлекис) 02:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Occupation of Albania (1912–1913) → Albania during the Balkan Wars

Well, we have a major historical inconsistency here: the title is 'Occupation of Albania', but during this period (1912-1913) the territories that were under the control of the Balkan League was de jure still part of the Ottoman Empire. That's because the borders of Albania were established by the Protocol of Florence] at December 19, 1913 (end of 1913), when the Balkan Wars ended [[1]] [[2]][[3]][[4]][[5]][[6]][[7]]. I believe the title: Albania during the Balkan Wars much more correct.Alexikoua (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)