Talk:Pittsburgh Steelers

Logo and uniforms

It is mentionned in this section that Pittsburg is unique in having the teams of its city using all the same colors. That might be an exageration; I can at least think of Montreal, whose Expos (R.I.P.), Canadiens and Allouettes are all Red White and Blue.

Who are the Allouettes? I don't know if the Pittsburgh color thing is true, but at this point they seem to be the only one with three major sports teams (of the four major sports leagues MLB, NHL, NFL, NBA) to share. Blackngold29 14:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The Allouettes is the Canadian Football League (CFL) team from Montreal. (Had to do some research myself to find that.)

Perhaps it's prudent to say it's the only "American" city with a shared color scheme for all three of their major professional sports teams.

Interesting sidebar - Pittsburgh's first [indoor] soccer team (the Pittsburgh Spirit) had the team colors as also Black & Gold. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the city has on the books that it is encouraged for all professional sports teams to share the same color scheme. (I don't think it's a civic law or anything like that.) The city's flag and seal are also black & gold. Black & Gold is also the team colors for our Continental Basketball Team (Xplosion) & our women's football team (Pittsburgh Passion). The current soccer team (The Riverhounds) uses black, blue, & white. Our Rugby team (The Harlequins) uses red, white, & blue. The defunct USFL Maulers were Orange and Purple. Before moving to Tampa Bay and being renamed "The Storm," our arena football team (Pittsburgh Galdiators) wore blue and gold.

Medleystudios72 (talk) 15:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The statement in the article "unique to Pittsburgh" is ambiguous. What is unique to Pittsburgh? The black and gold coloring? The fact that the coloring scheme is shared by all their professional sports teams? The fact that the coloring is shared by 3 professional sports teams? Furthermore, I'm requesting a citation for this alleged fact. Seattle consistently uses green/blue and optionally silver in almost all of their sports teams' colors, the Sounders, the Mariners, and the Seahawks. They also have minor league teams that use this coloring scheme, the Thunderbirds in the WHL. The Sonics, however, do not follow the pattern and use green and gold.Mojodaddy (talk) 21:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually - the Harlequins are not the only Pittsburgh Rugby team - the Pittsburgh Rugby Club - which is actually the more high profile team in the area does wear black and gold - of course neither of these teams are professional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sefinke (talk • contribs) 21:06, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

PcGnome (talk) 10:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC) If the team colors are Black, Gold & White - how does one explain that orange stripe down the middle of the helmet? My guess is that they didn't want a suggestion of a "yellow stripe down the back" calling into question their courage. At the very least, if orange is a color on the team's helmets, shouldn't it at least be mentioned as one of the team's colors?

PcGnome (talk) 10:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

The helmet stripe appears to be gold (in the Black helmet color-scheme)) or black (if the yellow helmet scheme is being used). Shearonink (talk) 11:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

PcGnome (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have the image that shows clearly orange stripes on four helmets and three gold sleeves. Screen capture from a preseason game 2012-08-09 between the Steelers & Eagles. Apparently I need to write an article just to bring it here as talk pages are not allowed. If anyone can tell me how to show it here, I'd sure appreciate it. Hopefully it would meet "fair use" conditions, but the more I read, the less I understand.

PcGnome (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

For the record, the best view is from the back of the helmet straight on - a view that is maddeningly hard to locate. Some front helmet views look gold and some look orange. All views from the rear that I've seen look orange to me.

If you have the game available, it's 4 minutes 57.961 seconds into the game.

PcGnome (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC) PcGnome (talk) 13:38, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

You would need to find a published reliable source that states the colors are as you describe. If no published reliable sources state that 'the helmet color-stripe is orange', then that assertion cannot be added to the article. To add an unpublished color description that is as described by an private individual would constitute original research (which is against Wikipedia guidelines). After all, one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which means Wikipedia is a repository of published information from independent reliable sources. Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 14:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, that's kind of why I don't put things in the article, but raise them on talk pages where I stand less chance of running foul of rules I don't clearly understand (clearly don't understand?).

So, gold is a version of yellow - then it seems the Pittsburgh Steelers DO have a yellow streak running down their back, right?

Nevertheless, I change my question to "how come the stated gold stripe on the helmet looks very orange?".

The gold stripe is stated way down this page:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_meaning_of_the_Pittsburgh_Steelers_emblem

For reference, I hope the following link is reasonably acceptable. If not, I'm sure some knowledgeable soul will correct it. Until then, the picture in question can be seen here:

http://bayimg.com/haDKbAaec

PcGnome (talk) 14:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC) PcGnome (talk) 15:06, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

The color is the color, the interpretation of that color is what needs to be found in a published reliable source. What you think the color is and what I think the color is are both irrelevant...how the color is regarded has to be found in a published reliable source. A reliable source is a published source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy and that also has editorial oversight. If an article in Sports Illustrated or in the New York Times or from a similar type of publication characterizes the stripe-color as being orange, then that statement, along with a citation to the source, could probably be included in the article. In regards to your link from "wiki.answers.com"...References from user-submitted websites (which have no editorial oversight and can be changed at will by readers), such as "answers.com" (or even other Wikipedia articles), cannot be used as a source for a statement in a Wikipedia article. Shearonink (talk) 15:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Steeler Nation Criticism

Please feel free to read & comment here. Thank you. Marketdiamond (talk) 14:32, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 September 2012

Please add this following information about Dick LeBeau to the article because LeBeau's legendary defense coaching skills have helped the Steelers to succeed in 2 superbowls since returning to as the Steelers Defense Coordinator in 2004.

Dick LeBeau, otherwise known as "Coach Dad" first joined the Steelers coaching staff as secondary head coach beginning in 1992. From 1995-1997 Dick LeBeau returned as the Defensive Coordinator of the Steelers, and aiding in the Steelers road to Superbowl XXX against the Dallas Cowboys. Leaving the Steelers coaching staff in 1997, LeBeau went on to coach the Cincinnati Bengals. Upon his return to the Steelers as Defensive Coordinator in 2004, then coaching the Steelers to win two more superbowls in that time. Dick LeBeau has also been inducted into te Honored Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2012 for his coaching and his years as a player.

Chyaxjess (talk) 01:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

 Not done for now: mainly due to lack of reliable sources provided. The proposed wording also needs to be copy edited for grammar issues. For example, the "Upon his return..." statement is not a complete sentence. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)