Talk:Tig Notaro

Publishing of the show "Live"

The show where Tig openly talks about her cancer was published through Louis CK's site on 6 Oct 2012.

Lesbian

Tig is openly gay, it's known, but I can only find a source of one of her best friends saying it. [1] If you scroll down where they ask Sarah Silverman if she has any gay friends, is that usable? Blindeffigy (talk) 12:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I have a received an OTRS e-mail from the subject of the article stating that she does not publicly self-identify as gay. Per WP:BLP, which states requires a presumption in favour of privacy, we shouldn't include this information unless a source can be found in which she states that she's gay (and, as she's communicated by e-mail that she doesn't publicly self-identify as such, I very much doubt that such a source will be found). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

So, you're telling me that because she doesn't feel the need to publicly address her sexuality we should just assume she's straight? I think it's a little dishonest, even for Wikipedia. A lot of people don't feel the need to talk about it, but ARE gay -- how will Wikipedia ever address that? Apparently they won't, ever. Whatever, I just think it's pointless. She is gay, whether WP cares or not. Blindeffigy (talk) 07:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Not at all: where in the article does it say she's heterosexual? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 11:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

99 times out of 100, when someone says "so, you're telling me ...", it's about a claim that no one made or even implied. The rest of the comment, along with the one below, displays similar irrational thought processes. -- 98.171.173.90 (talk) 04:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't have to, we just assume. Unless you're trying to be a smartass, and then I could just say: "It doesn't, I guess she's asexual!" Blindeffigy (talk) 13:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You may assume whatever you like, though I'd strongly suggest as a bit of personal advice that you divest yourself of the assumption that a person is heterosexual unless otherwise specified. Likewise, it wouldn't be appropriate to assume that the absence of information about her sexuality means that she's asexual any more than it would be appropriate to assume that the absence of information about her legs means that she doesn't have any. The issue here is that we have no source meeting the standard required in WP:BLP that says anything about her sexuality, so it's inappropriate for us to say anything about it. Readers stuck in the twentieth century will probably conclude from this that she's heterosexual, but we're not here to specifically dispel people's prejudices. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 14:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

How wrong is that. I can find several sources that say "lesbian comedian Tig Notaro" - here - which includes Logo Online. But she, like Jay Brannan, seems to think being "out" is a bad thing. I'm not liking this. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

None of those appear to be reliable sources to me, at least not to the standard required by WP:BLP. Even if we accept that Logo Online is an acceptable source, it says that she's an "out lesbian comedian", which means that we have its assertion that she is an "out lesbian" taken against her assertion that she isn't. This isn't a difficult case. In any event, I'll try to solicit some more discussion on this subject via WP:BLPN. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 15:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

No, don't bother. I learned from Jay Brannan. If she says she's not "publicly a lesbian", despite being called out by her friend Sarah Silverman in The Advocate, fine. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia really should re-define what's acceptable resources, because it's incredibly annoying. I guess we're just going to have to wait until Tig mentions SOMETHING herself; whenever that may be. Ridiculous. Blindeffigy (talk) 23:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Why do you have to "wait" for anything? Christ, let people identify as they wish, how would you like it if we just decided overnight that you had a new identity and had to go by it publicly 69.122.244.46 (talk) 10:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia really should re-define what's acceptable resources -- no, it shouldn't. because it's incredibly annoying -- if it annoys someone like you, that's probably a good thing. -- 98.171.173.90 (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

"lesbian woman" is redundant. "lesbian" is enough. 109.186.52.100 (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I did a pass on this in light of how things went on Sally Ride. I think the best we can do is to include her response from the NYT profile and not use any labels, per BLP and apparent OTRS requests. Jokestress (talk) 08:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not liking this. -- quite irrelevant. -- 98.171.173.90 (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Why does it matter whether the sexuality of a stand-up comedian is mentioned on Wikipedia? She hasn't said anything, so chill out and wait 'til she does.Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 00:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I've been catching up on Professor Blastoff, and she's much more open about it now than she was before her year from hell. She mentions her girlfriend constantly, (and actually as her "girlfriend" and not her "human" as she used to), and just now, on episode 135, Kyle referred to her as gay and she agreed. So... I'm not sure we need to deal to much with six-year-old OTRS requests, it seems safe now to say it. --Golbez (talk) 16:30, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Nickname / name

"Tig Notaro is an American stand-up comic. "Tig" is a nickname..."
Seems to me that a "biographical" Wikipedia article should include some mention of the person's actual name, eh? :-) -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 19:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

If it can be properly-sourced, I'd say so. Can it? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I dunno. I'd guess that in general the names of contemporary celebrities can be, with more or less research. -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Based on a search through Intelius.com, it appears that her birth name is "Mathilde O. Notaro," although I can't find what the "O" stands for. One listing makes it appear that it may stand for "Oc." I now understand how her brother got "Tig" out of Mathilde. Atlantabravz (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Here is a good source for her first name: Mathilde Notaro v. Alisa Spitzberg. Court of Appeals of California, Second Appellate District, Division One, Case #B209220. November 19, 2009. Retrieved from http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=incaco20091119028 on May 31, 2010. "Both Notaro and Spitzberg are performers at comedy clubs." Why can't we use this one? 67.40.248.89 (talk) 05:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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This American Life belongs to PRI, NOT NPR

Midway through the article it's said that she was invited to perform on NPR's "This American Life."

This American Life is actually owned by PRI (Public Radio International). It is NPR's "competitor." Hopefully this can be edited accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.80.110 (talk) 16:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 August 2012

QUOTE: Notaro's act tends towards elaborated story telliing.

Please change telliing to telling to correct spelling. Meattrademark (talk) 23:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

• Done. Thanks for the heads up. Tiderolls 01:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 October 2012

At the end of "Career," right after the ninth citation, a sentence is double-typed and needs to be deleted.

The full text is "made audio of the performance available for download on his site under the title "Live." In October, C.K. made audio of the performance available for download on his site under the title "Live." "

The first section needs to be deleted, form made to "Live." JBrown71160 (talk) 15:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Done. Copy edit only. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 October 2012

Tig's birthday is March 24th, 1971. On her live album "Good One" at the :45 second mark of the 14th track "The Show's Over" a woman says "Happy Birthday" and the crowd sings to her (twice). Tig announces she is 40. In the liner notes the date of the recording is March 24th, 2011.

http://mobile.avclub.com/articles/the-best-comedy-albums-of-2011,66251/?mobile=true The best comedy albums of 2011 by Nathan Rabin, Kyle Ryan, Steve Heisler, Tuyet Nguyen, Steven Moore, Christian Williams, David Sims, Will Harris

Tig Notaro Good One (23 points, three votes) Recorded on Tig Notaro’s 40th birthday, Good One is a sharply constructed album that shows the confident voice of a veteran, not a relative newcomer who took the long road to stand-up. Notaro’s measured pace and deadpan delivery carry the first half of the set, a series of quick observations dependent on her skill with a pregnant pause and absurd escalation. (“You’re a gross person. Why don’t you pull yourself together?” she says to users of the phrase “I just threw up in my mouth,” before patiently delivering the punchline: “When you say those things, you cause me to shed my uterine lining.”) Notaro’s not all calculation, though: Whip-fast retorts to the audience bring freshness to her 11-minute story of constant run-ins with singer Taylor Dayne, which is likely her most well-known material. And her cartoonish, set-closing impressions reveal a silly side so charming that she deserves more than the crowd’s rendition of “Happy Birthday.” “I have to make a wish,” she says. “I wish you guys would sing that one more time.” 98.235.59.141 (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• We have used worse sources than speeches by primary sources. Ideally, if Tig, or any independent reliable source, has written about her b'day anywhere, let's see that. Are we dealing with conflicting sources here? Those disputes go on forever. --Lexein (talk) 20:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done The sources seems extremely shady given that it's trying to reference something as trivial as a birthday. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 14:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Image addition

I updated the infobox photo to one more representative of her usual facial expression, and moved the (perhaps humorously intended) scowl photo to the article body. --Lexein (talk) 20:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 April 2013

TIg's birth date is March 24. 71.182.192.40 (talk) 20:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

 Not done This has been argued back and forth a lot. We'll need a published, reliable source so that we can verify such a claim for the birthdate. See discussion above for what sources aren't considered reliable. If we can't find RS for the exact birthdate, we'll step back to just the month, or the year, or leave it blank. --Lexein (talk) 20:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request 10 Nov 2014

Can someone please add in her filmography that she had a role in an episode of The Office (US): S08E17 "Test the Store". As the apologetic mother of a young girl who beat up Ed Helms' character, FYI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.231.147 (talk) 16:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Done! :-) - Erika BrillLyle (talk) 04:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)