User talk:Dennis Brown

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Discretionary sanctions topic area changes

In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.

The topics proposed for revocation are:

• Senkaku islands
• Waldorf education
• Ancient Egyptian race controversy
• Scientology
• Landmark worldwide

The topics proposed for a rewording of what is covered under DS are:

• India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
• Armenia/Azerbaijan

Additionally any Article probation topics not already revoked are proposed for revocation.

Community feedback is invited and welcome at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions. --Barkeep49 (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Critchion

Just in case you think more should be done, unless I'm mistaken it seems that they were also Special:Contributions/78.147.242.155 and Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:C09E:ED00::/64, both unblocked and with the latter still having some extent live edits at Joseph Klausner ([1]). Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 12:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• I've indef'ed them, which is about all I can do for the main account, but I will keep an eye on those IPs for a bit as well. Thanks for the heads up. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 12:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Long term barely active admins

Hi Dennis, re a comment you made elsewhere, I would have thought we could get consensus for an additional admin retirement rule "Any admin with fewer than 600 edits or logged actions in the last six years to be desysopped for low activity". Perhaps more diplomatically phrased. ϢereSpielChequers 17:39, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

• The problem is, Arb isn't the place to make the argument. They can't make policy. An RFC would be needed. 600 might be a bit high, however, to gain acceptance. Not a matter of "best" or "correct", it's a matter of "what will get a consensus", and I think 300 is more likely to gain acceptance. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Agreed it would need an RFC, and there are then two variables, how long a gap does it take to become unfamilar with community norms and how little activity you need to stay in touch. I'm thinking in terms of 100 edits a year and six years, but I'd be the first to concede that not all edits are equal, and someone who has lurked, read the signpost, and who every month closes an AFC and deletes or declines a speedy delation tag is likely more in touch with community norms than someone who does reach the 100 edits a year criteria, but only through the sort of minor typo fixes that I do. So it would be a crude measure, but not an unreasonable one. ϢereSpielChequers 13:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
    • I think that might need to be part of the RFC to gain acceptance. You always have people who don't want any change. But it boils down to: Is it $x edits over the whole 6 year span, or $y edits per year? and of course, then; How many edits? You might have to leave the "how many edits" to the people participating in the RFC to decide. I think you would get more positive results if they can say "yes, but only 100" or "yes but at least 1000", whereas some would say no simply because they didn't like the number. Editors can be funny that way. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 15:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
      • Yes it will be difficult to agree the definition of another arbitrarily set threshold, but I'm pretty sure that most people would prefer such an easily measured test over in depth discussions and analysis of individual admins to see if they are still active and up to speed. Those who support periodic reconfirmation and similar measures are likely to accept that this proposal would retire some longterm inactive admins. As for per year or per six years, I'm going with the latter. I would not argue that someone who takes a year off has lost touch with community norms, and we already have a process for the completely inactive. But after several years of rarely using some tools, yes you get rusty. Six years? I'm open to others who know more about people forgetting skills at particular speeds. ϢereSpielChequers 16:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

Administrator changes

AustralianRupert • Cimon Avaro • Euryalus • Jehochman • Nunh-huh

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Interface administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• The Universal Code of Conduct enforcement guidelines have been published for consideration. Voting to ratify this guideline is planned to take place 7 March to 21 March. Comments can be made on the talk page.

Technical news

• The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
• The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.

Arbitration

• Community input is requested on several motions aimed at addressing discretionary sanctions that are no longer needed or overly broad.
• The Arbitration Committee has published a generalised comment regarding successful appeals of sanctions that it can review (such as checkuser blocks).
• A motion related to the Antisemitism in Poland case was passed following a declined case request.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2022 Steward elections will begin on 07 February 2022, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2022, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• Voting in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey is open until 11 February 2022.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

The good you do for the project has not gone unnoticed

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	Your work as an admin is not being graded, But it certainly is much appreciated, To know that you see with vision that's clear, A shining light of integrity we tend to hold dear. Thank you for all you do, Dennis! Atsme 💬 📧 22:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm one of those that really appreciates a barstar/award, and the kindness and thoughtfulness that goes into the giving. I've stored a copy of your gift in my Ronco Barnstar Vault for safe keeping. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

• AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
• The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Why

[2] This is an open case. who closed it? --Venkat TL (talk) 13:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

• Seraphimblade closed it. [3]. See how it is in the brown box, "hidden archive", that is closed. Once closed by an admin, it is done. You can read the closing, which is recommended for all closings. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  As far As I can see, I had commented on case header Hemantha. So who among the two needs to get their eyesight checked? Venkat TL (talk) 13:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  I stand corrected, and I did correct it. That doesn't excuse you being incivil about it, however. You need to check your attitude. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  I will take the apology. It was sarcastic, I have struck it. Have a good day. Venkat TL (talk) 13:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  (edit conflict)I haven't looked at one word in that report, so I'm not sure why are you holding me account to someone else's words. I don't follow every report.(to the part you deleted, I had already written it) Btw, you could have just said "I think you messed up. My comment wasn't in my case, it was in a different one." and I would have instantly known what to check, and corrected it. We all make mistakes, after all. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:02, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  yes, it took me a while to guess that your word 'incivil' was in reference to my comment above. I removed my previous comment to avoid further confusion. Here at my place, it is common to remark about eyesight, if someone fails to notice despite being asked twice. Both take it in good humour and no one takes an offence. May be due to the culture difference you took it that way. I have struck my phrase. I did not mean it in any disrespectful way. Venkat TL (talk) 14:11, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  Not a problem, I get on edge sometimes too, no harm done. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

New message from Shrike

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment. I have mentioned you in ARCA request Shrike (talk) 19:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)