User talk:יניב הורון

Order of Hebrew months

I see that User:Debresser changes it back so it should be numbered from Nisan. I think you should come to a talk. Thanks and regards. --תנא קמא (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Masterofthename Pattern of Edits

I'd like to bring your attention to User: Masterofthename and the user's pattern of anti semitic edits. I have cataloged edits below that show a pattern of antisemitism and a failure to follow Wikipedia guidelines:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Purim&diff=828658054&oldid=828640712

- Masterofthename added a "Cristicism" section to a Jewish holiday page, a section which does not belong on a holiday page and which you reversed, citing: (Undid revision 828506680 by Masterofthename (talk) unreliable, antisemitic sources, not necessary for a religious festival) (undo | thank) Tag: Undo

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roger_Stone&diff=880166172&oldid=880148590

- Masterofthename added that Roger Stone is Jewish, an edit that was reverted since the article Masterofthename used was retracted.

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran&type=revision&diff=700910482&oldid=700418525

- Masterofthename added a photo of Adolf Hitler to the page

4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Azoulay

- Masterofthename created this page and included a Controversies section on page with trivial “sourced” information that has no business being on Wikipedia. Controversies section was disputed and eventually removed from page (see article history and Neutrality (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,380 bytes) -519‎ . . ((1) not a reliable source; (2) her stepson's actions are not a "controversy" involving her (coat-rack much?) & (3) Wash Post article (which doesn't mention Azousay) says stepson was never charged or accused of "any of the more sinister acts of vandalism")

5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Mizrahi

- Masterofthename has had a pattern of making disruptive edits to the page and at one point was issued a vandalism warning (see Masterofthename's Talk page)

6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuter_concession

- Masterofthename created the page and on line 1 added: Reuter Concession was a contract signed between Baron Julius de Reuter (born Israel Beer Josaphat) a British-Jewish banker and businessman... Language of the page then had to be corrected by user, citing: Ginanahai (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,398 bytes) -9‎ . . (Changed British-Jewish banker to British banker. We don't say British-Christian, or British-Catholic. The person's religion does not affect his nationality.)

Masterofthename has an agenda opposite from adding to Wikipedia in a neutral, unbiased way.

I would like your help in imposing an article ban (WP:ABAN, WP:PBAN) on his account on the pages listed above or a ban on pages associated with Judaism. Mepo233 (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Horowitz

Defenders of lynching is not a joke. The article addresses it. deisenbe (talk) 13:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not what he said. Be careful with POV and BLP violations.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 13:12, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

User:Deisenbe, that's a very strong accusation to make regarding a living person. If you feel strongly enough regarding this, you should take it to WP:BLP/N first, before putting it into articles. Jayjg ^(talk) 18:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

username

hi there, can you please explain how to link your username as I have tried and been unable.Govindaharihari (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Finally found it, not easy, you should imo look at sorting that out - or I can raise it at usernames with concerns if you feel יניב הורון (Yaniv) - Govindaharihari (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker) There is nothing wrong with having a non-Latin username. We have a steward with an Arabic script username, and CUs on other projects with Hebrew, Japanese, Sanskrit, and Arabic script usernames. Because of SUL this is unavoidable and isn’t a bad thing. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
    • ta.Yes I am happy with all non-Latin usernames it was just that I have never had such a job linking to a username. Govindaharihari (talk) 18:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
      • (talk page stalker) Arabic and Hebrew are difficult as they are right to left - and many browsers suppport this and will flip direction when you mouse over, but it is usually possible to copy of you fiddle with it.Icewhiz (talk) 18:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
        • Ta Ice. I'm using firefox and it was really hard, ta for the advice though. Govindaharihari (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Offensive and false edit summaries

If you're going to make serious accusations in your edit summaries like you did here then you need to justify them and provide evidence. Otherwise you're engaging in particularly nasty form of personal attack. Yes, this is a warning, as your conduct is extremely disturbing.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Icewhiz’s allegation that the text purged by Yaniv (יניב הורון), as allegedly “antisemitic vandalism,” in fact constitutes “WP:HOAX material - blatant and libelous misrepresentation of sources” is every bit as offensive and baseless as Yaniv’s. Wikipedia defines “hoax” as “a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth.” Set out below is the impugned text in question. No cogent evidence had been presented that any statement it contains is a “hoax” or that the sources (pages of publications) cited do not support those statements. Until Icewhiz produces such evidence serious consideration should be given to blocking his participation in Polish-related issues for the same reason that Yaniv has been blocked.

IMPUGNED TEXT

Anti-Jewish violence in Poland, 1944–1946

Property claims and restitution

A restitution law "On Abandoned Real Estates" of May 6, 1945 allowed property owners who had been dispossessed, or their relatives and heirs, whether residing in Poland or outside the country, to reclaim privately owned property under a simplified inheritance procedure. The law remained in effect until the end of 1948. An expedited court process with minimal costs was put in place to handle claims. Applications had to be examined within 21 days, and many claims were processed the day they were filed. Poles often served as witnesses to corroborate claims of Jewish neighbors and acquaintances. Jewish law firms and agencies outside Poland specialized in submitting applications on behalf of non-residents. Properties were also transferred and sold by Jewish owners outside this process.[23]. The American Jewish Year Book reported, at the time, “The return of Jewish property, if claimed by the owner or his descendant, and if not subject to state control, proceeded more or less smoothly.”[24] Thousands of properties were successfully reclaimed, for example, more than 520 properties were reclaimed in two county towns of Lublin province alone (281 applications in Zamość, and 240 in Włodawa - some applications involved multiple properties).[25] Given the lax criteria, there were a number of cases of Jews advancing fraudulent property claims.[26]

The American Jewish Year Book for 1947-1948 is available online for anyone to examine at http://www.ajcarchives.org/main.php?GroupingId=10082;http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1947_1948_10_PolandSoviet.pdf

Furthermore, Icewhiz’s claim that Mark Paul propagates hoaxes such as the myth of “the ungrateful Jew” has no merit. The relevant text, found in Mark Paul’s “Wartime Rescue of Jews by the Polish Catholic Clergy,” is available online (http://kpk-toronto.org/wp-content/uploads/CLERGY-RESCUE-KPK-9.doc). The section headed “Recognition and (In)Gratitude” compiles many statements by Jews regarding Polish rescue efforts, some expressing gratitude, others not – hence the ambivalent wording of the heading. An example of the latter is former Prime Minister Menachem Begin’s infamous remarks, “What concerns the Jews, the Poles have been collaborating with the Germans. … only at most one hundred people have been helping Jews. … Polish priests did not save even one Jewish life.” Icewhiz (and Joanna Michlic, whom he cites) may not like to be reminded of such statements but they are part of the historical record. Mark Paul’s “Patterns of Cooperation, Collaboration and Betrayal: Jews, Germans and Poles in Occupied Poland during World War II” was recognized recently as an important study in a major publication of the prestigious Jagiellonian University: Wymuszona współpraca czy zdrada? Wokół przypadków kolaboracji Żydów w okupowanym Krakowie (Kraków: Universitas, 2018), at p. 34. The author, Alicja Jarkowska-Natkaniec, has impeccable academic credentials: http://fellowships.claimscon.org/fellows/cohort-xi-academic-year-2018-2019/jarkowska-natkaniec-alicja/

TATZREF (signed)

February 2019

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for Tendentious editing across multiple topic areas and time frames.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  TonyBallioni (talk) 07:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

• I’m about as sympathetic of an administrator as you will come across to fighting anti-semitism on this project, but the diff Volunteer Marek linked above is entirely unacceptable and only makes it more difficult to deal with actual anti-semitism and racism. Using that as an attack in a content dispute, combined with your block log and your exhibiting the exact same aggressive behaviours and focus on winning that led to your TBAN from the Arab-Israeli conflict have caused me to conclude that a topic ban in Eastern Europe would only shift the problem to other areas, and that because of this, the only option is an indefinite block. This is not an AE block, so if you want to appeal, just follow the directions above. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  @TonyBallioni: - this is shameful - a shameful episode for English Wikipedia that is now endorsing denial. Yaniv reverted content that denied the mass Polish pilfering of Jewish property. The content, beyond misusing primary sources, cited a book Klucze i Kasa whose conclusion is the opposite - as is clear in the original Polish and in this short English summary - "The book, “Klucze i Kasa” (“Keys and Money”) details the ways in which Poles got rich off Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust – by plundering property that was left behind, charging exorbitant fees for hiding them, and so on. This may be another underlying reason for the Polish perception of Jews as a source of wealth – they literally enriched them. And paradoxically, their guilt feelings over this are being projected onto the Jews.".[1] Furthermore, the source of the content (paraphrased text but copy-paste of citations) is clearly a manuscript by Mark Paul - this one (previous wiki discussion - here - note closer's note on Tatzref). This is a questionable WP:SPS and Mark Paul is known for disseminating the myth of "the ungrateful Jew" - see this academic source. Yaniv's description of the content may have been overly frank, however the problem is with the content itself - not commentary thereof. That such WP:HOAX material - blatant and libelous misrepresentation of sources (and yes - this is a WP:BLP issue towards the miscited authors - Grabowski&Libionka) - is inserted onto the English Wikipedia is shameful, and that users get blocked for attempting to rectify this - is even more shameful.Icewhiz (talk) 07:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  Yaniv got blocked because his behaviour makes clear he’s unable to work on a collaborative project. As his block log and the AELOG show, he’s been given more chances than virtually any other editor I’ve encounteted. He’s free to appeal, but I’m not going to get into a back and forth if he hasn’t appealed yet. The options here were a complete Eastern Europe TBAN or an indef. I went through his recent contributions and found these: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. That’s just looking at inappropriate edit summaries throughout the past month and without looking at representation of sources in disputes, etc. Calling the edits of other editors anti-Semitic when it’s not clear, threatening to report them for vandalizing when they aren’t, and similar behaviours contribute to a long-term pattern of WP:TE, which is the reason for this block and made me realize a topic ban was unlikely to solve anything. He can have the views of the sourcing and presentation he has, but crying anti-Semite to win a dispute and silence opposition has no place here.

  Icewhiz, you know that if there’s racist or anti-Semitic nonsense I’ll block it as quick as I can and if appropriate use other tools to get rid of any trace of it, but editors using accusations of it as a tool to win a content dispute is simply not okay. Given his block log, this was really the only place to go. TonyBallioni (talk) 08:05, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  @TonyBallioni: - So calling content (and Yaniv's comment was directed at the content) anti-semitic, is blockable. Inserting content (copy pasted from a highly questionable source - and that is clear - the citations are identical - they all appear in this abridged version - excerpts from Mark Paul on an advocacy site against HR 1226/JUST Act (See NYT,Haaretz for background) that is beyond questionable (and a BLP issues vs the mis-cited authors)- no action. There are other editors here who should have been blocked here. As it stands - the English Wikipedia would seem to accept such content, while blocking those who would call it out. Icewhiz (talk) 08:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  @K.e.coffman: - could you please add your 2 cents here regarding this content and Mark Paul? Icewhiz (talk) 08:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  Calling content inserted by another editor who is not an anti-semitic troll “antisemitic vandalism” is a personal attack and a chilling tactic designed to stifle opposition, as documented above, and is textbook tendentious editing. The English Wikipedia in general, and this sysop in particular have no tolerance for racism in any form. I also have no tolerance for calling people anti-semitic vandals because you disagree on what a source says. I’ve explained my block and stand behind it. Yaniv is free to appeal and has instructions on how to do so. As I said above, I’m not getting into a back and forth here, especially without an unblock request. I will also not allow this block to be turned into an analysis of the sourcing that should have taken place on the article talk page: the issue here is one issue alone: Yaniv’s history of tendentious editing and inability to work in a collaborative environment. TonyBallioni (talk) 08:42, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  An "analysis of the sourcing" is precisely what is required here in order to ascertain who is it fault here - if Yaniv is factually correct in his description of the edit, then he is at no fault. Mainstream Holocaust scholarship does not support what is being done in that article. Icewhiz (talk) 09:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

  Even if he is correct on the sourcing, this block would be justified for the reasons I’ve already stated. This is the last comment I will make on this without an unblock request. TonyBallioni (talk) 09:15, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Good ban.....the fact people are wasting even more time trying to explain the obvious is a great example of how one editor can consume hours from other editors time.--Moxy (talk) 15:56, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

יניב הורון (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Apparently I was blocked for reverting the contributions on antisemitism in Poland by this user. I honestly thought they were not constructive and fell into WP:NOTHERE, but maybe I hastened to prejudge without looking at all the details of the dispute. I'm willing to stop editing on Polish antisemitism-related issues altogether, but I think an indefinite block is excessive and doesn't reflect my contributions in other areas. יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 6:56 am, Today (UTC−9)

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

• the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
• the block is no longer necessary because you
  1. understand what you have been blocked for,
  2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
  3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:44, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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