User talk:Dorftrottel

Cleaning up my attics

Hi, can you help compress User:Lenticel/Articles (compress the DYK's to simply state the date and the article name, I'll follow that format for newer DYK's), User:Lenticel/Barnstars (make them mini-barnstars) and User:Lenticel/Userboxes (make it more than one column to make it eat less space) Thanks --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my attics!--Lenticel ^(talk) 22:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

good reason for deletion

the first sentence at [1]. convinced even me. DGG (talk) 19:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Reverting

Heh, I'm using Huggle and it's really easy to use.  Sunderland06  21:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

New humorous subpage

I was thinking of giving you something in return in fixing my pages so I think I'll simply give you an idea that would replace the WP:Screambox. I was thinking of Wikipick-up lines. It will be the community's help for those who gave so much of their time in Wikipedia that the chances of them getting mate is getting less than zero. Perhaps Keeper and you can formulate one on your user subpage. I'm not romantically successful so you're on your own here--Lenticel ^(talk) 10:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's very nice of you to want to return the favour, but actually I have never had a shortage of shit ideas in my head (the latest being a practical wake-up call to what doing harm to Wikipedia often looks like, at least in my opinion), nor do I have a shortage in girlfriends. Dorftrottel (troll) 13:20, April 9, 2008

I'm not sure how thrilled I am to be automatically associated with Dorftrottel and his shit ideas:-). And, as far as the other issue mentioned, my wife is frigging hot. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Yours too? But mine also has a great sense of humor. Dorftrottel (talk) 19:03, April 10, 2008

Absolutely. My wife laughs at me all the time....wait...is that what you meant? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure. What else would I mean? It's the same old LSF cycle: she laughs at me, then I smack her in the mouth, then the fucking. She never complains. Dorftrottel (warn) 23:38, April 10, 2008

On Kmweber

Dorftrottel, could you please cease on making sarcastic references and/or replies to Kurt's regular self-nom oppositioning reason at RfA? This issue has been hashed and rehashed for nearly a year now in every relevant talk page and dispute resolution forum as to his standard replies for such RfAs. Kurt will not change his mind, and the community has agreed that his decision is to be respected in good faith and let bureaucrats judge the weight and validity of the opinion in determining consensus. Such poking at his comments is a distraction from the discussion of the user at hand. A personal request to consider, happy editing to you. Keegan^talk 06:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No thanks. As long as RfA is a discussion, I will continue to express my opinion on the validity of other people's reasonings. Besides, my quipping comments may be viewed as a relief by some. Therefore, screw the rest who freely choose neither to assume good faith with me and my usually short comments nor to at least ignore them. Dorftrottel (troll) 06:39, April 10, 2008

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I do not assume ill intentions in your posting, and I do appreciate the point (not point, but a valid point). I don't expect Kurt to stop opposing with the same reply, nor do I reasonably expect that people will not continue to question it. I just thought I'd ask if you'd reassess the opposition to the opposition, and it's fine if you don't. Happy editing to you. Keegan^talk 07:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I appreciate it. Btw, I'm aware of my tendency to pass up chances not to comment. Dorftrottel (complain) 08:33, April 10, 2008

kurt weber

As has been confirmed in numerous RfC's, numerous complaints on AN/I, and an arbcom appeal Kurt has the right to to oppose people for whatever reason he choses to do so. His position is well known and the 'crats will apply the appropriate weight to his !votes. The constant harassment of him and others who share his opinion however, is (IMHO) unacceptable. I have seriously considered starting an RfC against people who mock him. His !votes only become disruptive because others make it a point to attack him. Simply ignore his vote and move on.Balloonman (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

As an FYI, I crossposted this to the RFA talk page. Because it is a concern surrounding not just you, but others.Balloonman (talk) 18:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Harassment? Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm all for using that word for as many and as trivial things as possible so as to decrease its value. But RfAs are discussions. Nobody is forced to participate in any RfA, but if and when someone chooses to do so, they will do it under the condition that others may comment on the validity of their comments and reasonings. Harassment is a far stretch. I'm not trolling his talk page or anything. So go ahead with that RfC drama, I wish you a good time, as that will be the sole potential benefit of it. Dorftrottel (complain) 19:02, April 10, 2008

Ah, cripes, dorf. Can't you just simply refrain from commenting on Kmweber's posts? Futile exertion of energy, IMO. Same as LGRdC. Not worth it. Just agree to disagree, stop posting everytime Kurt posts, and move on? I'm hopeful, but also realistic....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Eek. Point taken. Please just don't mention those two in one posting again unless unavoidable. I know that Kurt basically has a good head on his shoulders and means and does no harm. May I occasionally post a "no comment" comment or will the drama-addicts abuse that for their purposes as well? Dorftrottel (warn) 23:41, April 10, 2008

Posting a "no comment comment", besides being simply ironic, has connotations, and you know very well how some editors will respond to it because of the "history". For the love of "fucking like an animal" (call me troll, but I saw this post of yours somewhere, and laughed my ass off - my apologies to anyone else reading this that doesn't know the context, please note that it isn't meant as harmful to you, me, or Dorftrottel...), please just don't. Don't make me defend you. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

(od) I guess at the time of above comment I hadn't fully appreciated the denseness surrounding this non-issue. Look, what I may do is post comments along the lines of the following: "I do fully recognise and agree with Kurt Weber's right to comment in RfAs the way he sees fit. Regardless of any of that, I also respect him as an intelligent and trustworthy editor in good standing and it is in no way my intention to harass or attack him in any way by commenting here. However, in following his decision to inform other users about his opinion in individual RfAs rather than at a central location, I feel it is both justified by the fact that RfAs are meant to be discussions, not votes, and also necessary to place a comment regarding my opinion on the validity of his reasoning in individual RfAs as well: In my humble opinion, Kurt Weber's reasoning is not logically valid." — Balloonman's actions and the aggressiveness he displayed are seriously disconcerting. If anyone, he should have some defending to do for himself, instead of continuing and escalating his senseless attacks. Not Kurt is being harassed, the candidates are, and now the people who comment partly out of empathy for the candidates. Dorftrottel (troll) 19:24, April 12, 2008

To be clear, I probably won't actually post such a comment, but I want the right to do it. Dorftrottel (bait) 23:29, April 12, 2008

Thank you

Thanks very much for joining our NotTheWikipediaWeekly chat yesterday! It was wonderful to have you with us and I really appreciate your patience with my first time hosting. Hope you'll join us again.

Und vielleicht dürfe ich deine Muttersprache ein biβchen üben. Man vergißt die Wörter so schnell in Kalifornien. Auf wiederhören. :) Durova^Charge! 17:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey wow, that was excellent! Indeed, I enjoyed it myself. Most probably going to tune in again; and your hosting was absolutely competent. Dorftrottel (warn) 19:29, April 12, 2008

Und ja, lass uns das nächste Mal auf jeden Fall ein paar Worte auf Deutsch wechseln. Dorftrottel (troll) 00:44, April 13, 2008

question

What is this--Filll (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean? It's my suggestion for a topic. Dorftrottel (complain) 00:33, April 13, 2008

Oh ok I get it. Wow you write well.--Filll (talk) 00:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Btw: I have your challenge pages opened and will now dive into it. Dorftrottel (talk) 00:38, April 13, 2008

Edits to my user page

Thx.Ferrylodge (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Dorftrottel (harass) 20:56, April 13, 2008

hooray!

If there were an award for titification of user pages I'd have to dig it out and hand it to you! Actually, there probably is, but I have no idea where it might be.... please dig it out and award it to yourself on my behalf! Thanks heaps for your edits to my userpage which have improved it mightily! Privatemusings (talk) 07:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, and your hooray is reward enough. Dorftrottel (vandalise) 17:38, April 14, 2008

Oh come on...

I have your page watchlisted. I have EVula's watchlisted, and I have Balloonman's watchlisted. All for different reasons. Without making any observations about any of the last few days' "activities, this is just plain pointy, Dorf. 2 pence. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Lots of heat, need more light. (this is being crossposted) Please hash this out here. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

(crossposted, again. Second offer) You both keep saying you want this to go away. Yet you both keep posting. This has degenerated into mud slinging, from both sides. "No, you're incivil." "No, you are!" Am not! Are too!. Cripes. Can you not hear yourselves? Each of you should present your case in one place, perhaps just settle it? Life's too short for this. I recommend the ring, linked above. Settle it please? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Read below and my reply at EVula's talk. Yet another location cannot help resolve this. He announces he will continue to remove each and every single RfA comment by me and others if and when it relates to Kurt Weber's position. This problem is not mine. It's a problem Wikipedia has with Balloonman. I'm just pointing it out. Dorftrottel (canvass) 19:39, April 14, 2008

I've read your replies. "Yet another location" is an unfair assessment of trying to centralize, de-dramatize, and eventually end, this dispute between two good editors. Take me up on it. Go first. Copy paste your post to SunCreator even with diffs, whatever. (But stop linking it elsewhere). I even formatted for "ease of use." Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Look, I appreciate your willingness to help us sort this out. But all I can do is post a diff to my below reply. If that makes you happy, I'll do it. Dorftrottel (troll) 19:44, April 14, 2008

I'm absolutely gleeful. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

huh

"Balloonman does not allow me to freely participate Rfa's". Uhh, why not? SunCreator (talk) 18:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why. The interesting part is the how. He has used several very laden words against me, drawing from his phantasy and capability and willingess to assume equally good faith on all sides, alleging on my part nice things like

• constant harassment (of Kurt Weber)
• disruption
• YOU and not Kurt are the one creating the disruption!
• attacking and belittling [Kurt Weber and his position]
• badger(ing) kurt
• mocking and criticizing him/his position (again, Kurt Weber)
• nonconstructive disruption of wikipedia
• attacks, disruption

I haven't counted how often he has used words like "attack", "harassment", "disruption" and expressed his deep-seated assumption of bad faith with me, but it was enough times for me to get mildly pissed.

Very nice and coherent of him was also this strawman attempt:

• And we wonder why Dorf has had two accounts indef blocked in the past?

In fact, none of his assumptions and allegations are even remotely true (not to mention ABF). As I have repeatedly told him, I do respect both Kurt Weber and his right to comment in RfAs the way he himself sees fit. The ridiculous joke is that Balloonman (and others) demand that Kurt's comments be accepted/tolerated but at the same time they're unwilling to so much as ignore my comments which are, even if at times quipping, always and only expressions of my judgement on the logical validity of Kurt Weber's oppose rationale. Since RfA is, ostensibly but not any longer, a discussion, I was caught under the wrong assumption that I may comment on other's comments. Obviously, that is not true. Balloonman has decided that I cannot freely put good-faith comments in RfAs. Dorftrottel (talk) 19:20, April 14, 2008

Smile

— E ^talk _aussie has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

-) Mediawiki doesn't like smiley face's eyes at the start of a line... : Dorftrottel (complain) 05:58, April 16, 2008

'bout freaking time...

Normally, I wouldn't bother telling someone I've replied to their thread on my talk page.

But normally, that person doesn't have to wait for half a week, either. ;)

User talk:EVula#Finally responding. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You certainly took your sweet time! :-P Dorftrottel (complain) 05:58, April 16, 2008

"Didn't you used to be someone?"

-is likely one of the worst things you can say to someone who has seen any measure of fame. Am I correct in noting that you used to go by the name AldeBaer? I was updating the page for those Wikipedians I Respect, and the link for the other name brought me here. If so, howdy. If not, pardon my intrusion. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 05:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

you respect me? I'll have to double-check that, but my editorial self-esteem is currently so low that I may actually lose respect for someone who respects me... but yes, I'm that guy. Dorftrottel (complain) 05:58, April 16, 2008