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:*EdJohnston responds 15:23, 28 February 2020
:*EdJohnston responds 15:23, 28 February 2020
:Please do consider though?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 18:03, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
:Please do consider though?--[[User:Andrew Lancaster|Andrew Lancaster]] ([[User talk:Andrew Lancaster|talk]]) 18:03, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
::A 3RR closure is intended to put a stop to an edit war in progress, by any method that seems likely to work. A closure should not specifically inconvenience others through a long protection when it appears that one or two people are at the center of the war. The closure may not have the effect of doing justice between the participants if one person is usually a better editor, but it expects diplomacy for sure. When two people both seem equally angry and neither of them will step forward with a plan for resolving the dispute, the closing admin doesn't have much leeway. Also I preferred not to block either of you, since you both appeared to be content creators and neither of you was blocked before. If you are [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Goths&diff=prev&oldid=942766979 accusing Krakkos of being dishonest] you should watch out for casting [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] which is blockable. Thank you, [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston#top|talk]]) 02:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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Disruptive editor you blocked

Hi Ed. I noticed you blocked IP85.140.1.148 here for the exact same thing this IP is doing now. I can't seem to find the archived discussion at ANI to refer to but could see here that a thread was created that I assume you responded to. They keep adding completely false info as can be seen here, here & here. Could you take a look or point me in the right direction please. Robvanvee 13:36, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The original ANI thread was at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1028#Russian vandal adding Saibogu Drakon to credits. This was the guy adding 'Saibogu/Drakon' to articles. I've blocked the single IP for a month. If you see more like this, we might have to widen the block to a /64. EdJohnston (talk) 13:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks. If I see more I'll be in touch. Robvanvee 14:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Look at Special:Contributions/2a00:1fa1:826d:af92:7cdb:3187:1b41:efb2 also. Adding 'Saibogu'. Unfortunately not in the same /64. Would be included in Special:Contributions/2A00:1FA1:826D:0:0:0:0:0/48 but no other IPs yet in that range, so a single block is enough. EdJohnston (talk) 16:15, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks Ed. Robvanvee 16:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Robvanvee: Also this edit of 10 February by Special:Contributions/2a00:1fa1:8408:8b8:787f:8d6a:613e:7d81. It would be included in Special:Contributions/2A00:1FA1:8000::/37. This is a large range, but nearly its whole activity is adding music genres. Somebody who knows this topic might be able to tell if all of these edits are vandalism. A one-month rangeblock could be imposed if so. The /48 rangeblock mentioned above would not cover all these genre changes, or even the new Saibogu edit of 10 February. EdJohnston (talk) 16:15, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Ed, the ranges would be more your area of expertise than mine but so far as the genre's go, while not vandalism, as long as they keep breaking the V policy they will be warned and eventually blocked once I report them to ANI or AIV. This is the bulk of what my editing consists of (though I must admit I love it) and I'm not taking enough notice necessarily of the IP ranges while this is all happening. I really appreciate your help with this and am wondering if there is anything more I can do to help from my side? Robvanvee 17:04, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just looking at this now and the range and unsourced edits are extensive! Do you suspect this is all the same person? Most likely. A range block may help but this will probably continue somewhere along the line. Robvanvee 17:18, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced additions to Corn & Peg

User:Havigjorah has been edit warring for weeks, adding unsourced content to Corn & Peg, has been blocked once and returned to continue adding unsourced material, ignoring further final warnings. Theroadislong (talk) 12:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now blocked by another admin for two weeks. Thanks for your report. EdJohnston (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two things

1) I just wanted to bring this editing to your attention - [1] [2] [3] [4] & diffs in Rusian ("foreign propaganda")[5] and other spicy diffs [6]. Another admin warned the editor, which was ignored [7] 2) What's the conclusion here? [8] ty, Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 16:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since the editor Sadkσ wants to hear your opinion, I'm interested whay for Marko Polo is this written in the article "was an Italian merchant, explorer," but he is part of Republic of Venice" who was a sovereign state and maritime republic..it lasted from 697 AD until 1797 AD". Nikola Tesla is Austrian born in Croatia, Roger Joseph Boscovich is from Dubrovnik(Croatia) according to editor Sadko Ragusan, etc. So I'm curious how that is possible, they are not Croatian persons and Marko Polo is Italian. If you could answer, thanks.Mikola22 (talk) 17:14, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
24- The removed version was a cover of the original. There is no reason to include a cover in the article. This can be seen in the lyrics where they didn't even bother to switch out names of Croatian lands (they only put Montenegro).
25- Mikola22 said enough
26- Person in question is an ethnic Croat. This isn't disputed by any sources. He also never held Serbian nationality. There is no basis to include him on the list.
27- The other person in question is also an ethnic Croat. His brother held serbian natonality so he is included in the list ( even though he is an ethnic Croat too). Niko Pucić didn't so he doesn't meet any requirements to be listed.
28- Idk what you're even trying to go at here
29- As seen by previous points Sadko likes to Pov push.
30- I was warned because i clapped back at even worse accusations from my friend sadko (who called me a nazi, and if i recall correctly Mikola22 reported him because he was also a victim of similar harrasment from sadko). I since then stopped responding to his antics and only respond when he slanders my name like this. Peace SerVasi (talk) 18:06, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Tag team, Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding, Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia#Clearly not being here to build an encyclopedia + playing the victim (without proof), as seen on [9][10] Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 21:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since your reversion earlier in Jan, there has been one edit. If I were free to intercede I'd roll it back as a) not necessarily true, b) unreffed, and c) insignificant in that what matters is the result not the process. Would you deal with it? Wwwhatsup (talk) 03:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have access to any sources which discuss this period? Feel free to contact other editors who participated in the RfC to see if they want to do more editing. EdJohnston (talk) 03:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The only discussion I have seen of this is on mailing lists. I've never seen it said that Afilias were the prime mover of ISOC's bid for .org, but it could be true. My point is, and it does not need an expert to discern this, is that this item of info, in the context of this article, is not notable, as well as being unreffed. The only thing that really matters is that the bid was successful. As to rousing other editors. I wish! It's a pain being hamstrung. Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Consider making an WP:edit request on the talk page. For example, if you consider the most recent edit to Internet Society to be unsourced you can ask for it to be undone. Luckily, The Register publishes about the Internet Society from time to time, and in spite of their quirkiness they are considered a reliable source for tech issues. EdJohnston (talk) 17:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing EdJohnston a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Bobherry Talk Edits 00:52, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

I feel a need to say...

I am looking through your remarks and a couple of things really seem to need saying:

  • Your remarks are clearly intended to be patronizing to me especially, by mentioning my previous explanations and making a point of NOT taking them seriously. (The theme is "well then, if that is true, then you should have no problem with...")
  • Honestly, knowing the case, having looked at the new diffs, and how long you took, I think that despite feeling you should be patronizing, you probably did NOT look at the details at all. That is in a sense understandable.
  • I do understand. We have all been there: you find it annoying and you want to say "both of you are the same to me", and make your point. The posts of Krakkos can't be that dishonest right?
  • I think you still do a lot of article work? But in any case all of us can end up having a difficult situation to resolve, and asking others for advice. Concerning my request for advice you did not respond at all. That seems wrong too.

Honestly, you should have answered my question. And you should have forced yourself to look at the diffs and at least cross check a bit. I say this to you because it is what I would say to myself. Of course your situation is also understandable, and I appreciate that. Probably a bad idea to express these thoughts, but anyway...--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 16:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Being on a roll, I might as well add some chronology notes, There were no edits by me on the article to trigger events. Here is how it went, after Krakkos asked me to stop working on the TALK page (! not the article !)...
  • Andrew to Krakkos on talk page in 1 discussion section [11] 15:14, 28 February 2020 (UTC):
You should have learned by now NOT to continually twist the words of others, including other Wikipedians, sources, policies etc. This might feel like it is working when you are laying low and working on unknown articles and categories, but this is not something you should keep taking for granted now. I have indeed been trying to mainly post my concerns on this talk page, rather than editing, giving you a chance to show good faith. Having made that major concession your edits and talk page posts show absolutely no concern at all for such concerns. I have limited myself to commenting a small % of the mass of POV edits you are making, and you are seeing that as a signal to do even more. This is highly problematic because it is very difficult to come back later and retrace all the source distortions for example. So your bad faith behavior is where the problem is. If you just accepted to fix some of the obvious problems I point to instead of throwing up surreal smoke screens and parent-shopping all the time, imagine what that would be like...--Andrew Lancaster (talk)
  • Andrew to Krakkos on talk page in another discussion section, [12] 15:18, 28 February 2020:
Krakkos so do I take it you are adamantly refusing to make any sorts of edits to correct the obvious problems shown above? I am still hoping YOU will CHOOSE to fix them, but let me know if this is a foolish hope.
  • Krakkos does to noticeboard with long post (20 minute minimum writeup?) 14:31, 28 February 2020[13]
  • EdJohnston responds 15:23, 28 February 2020
Please do consider though?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:03, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A 3RR closure is intended to put a stop to an edit war in progress, by any method that seems likely to work. A closure should not specifically inconvenience others through a long protection when it appears that one or two people are at the center of the war. The closure may not have the effect of doing justice between the participants if one person is usually a better editor, but it expects diplomacy for sure. When two people both seem equally angry and neither of them will step forward with a plan for resolving the dispute, the closing admin doesn't have much leeway. Also I preferred not to block either of you, since you both appeared to be content creators and neither of you was blocked before. If you are accusing Krakkos of being dishonest you should watch out for casting WP:ASPERSIONS which is blockable. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 02:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]