User talk:EdJohnston

good faith edits undone multiple times

Hey Ed, I noticed the article on Intelligent design is highly biased, and does not meet the wiki standards

there are numerous statments such as that ID is "psuedoscience" which not verifiable, and others which violate the wiki norms to "do not give undue weight"

I am new to editing, but the edits preserved all the original citations, and merely moved "pseudoscience" to a contentious section in the first paragraph, near where it originally was, except clarifying the known fact that not all scientists (most of them) do not consider ID "pseudoscience". To have "pseudoscience" in the very first sentence, and throughout, makes this article highly biased.

I am not hiding behind any IP--I just do not have an account set up yet, and my edits are important enough to be posted right now.

If you feel people must have "accounts" to post valid contributions, then could you go ahead and remedy the article yourself, particularly to remind readers that ID is a "view", not a "pseudoscience"?

I trust you would see this is a reasonable request that would remedy some of the clear bias throughout that key and important article

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.45.106.84 (talk) 23:15, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, where opinions sometimes differ! IPs were reverting the article while making no contribution to the talk page. You do have the option of creating an account. When I'm acting as an admin on a certain article I don't edit the article or participate in content discussions. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:22, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but what did you do to this article? since you said:

   Changed protection level of Intelligent design: Persistent disruptive editing Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users (expires 22:55, 6 September 2015 (UTC)) / Move=Allow only administrators / (indefinite)))"

Isn't it true that wiki still allows IP's to contribute "verifiable" insights into any article? So regardless of your proposal to dis-allow IP's, wikipedia's policy still says IP's are allowed to join in the discussion, even before they created an account. So how is it that you are able to block IP's (if that's what you are doing?)

Also, how is it that "IPs (mine) were reverting the article while making no contribution to the talk page."? Isn't it true that wiki does not require any "talk" step before making edits? I think the idea is that wikipedia assumes most edits to be in good faith, and therefore would not wish to hamper the valid (and verifiable) insights of good IP contributors--especially since that would delay things. My edits were all fair, and did not erase any of the original citations...it only clarified the (verifiable) fact that there are contentions between both sides of the article. So can you show me where Wikipedia itself mandates all contributions to go through a "talk" page first? It seems that would make wikipedia be "controlled" by an arbitrary group of people seeking to impose their views via talk pages, while suppressing any "minority" opinion, and this goes directly against the spirit of wikipedia, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.45.106.84 (talk) 23:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

BTW: How long does it take to create an account? Thanks!

About five minutes if you hit all the buttons in the right order. But a newly-created account still can't edit a semiprotected article until it has made 10 edits and been on Wikipedia for four days. EdJohnston (talk) 23:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Cool thanks. But isn't it true that wiki does not require any "talk" step before making edits? Pls clarify, so we can be of more value as a community working together!  :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.45.106.84 (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

You might consider discussing the changes you wish made at Talk:Intelligent design. You can do that now, rather than constantly reverting. Cheers! --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Welfare State ‖ 23:59, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, will do. Just want to keep things fair for everyone. However, will someone please answer: wiki does not require any "talk" step before making edits? Yes? No?

You can find answers at the Teahouse to your questions. I have put a link on your current IP page. The fourth pillar gives guidelines about discussions. Also, please sign your comments as described on your talk page already. Ogress _smash! 00:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi EdJohnson, I reviewed this policy here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection I can see that this page keeps reverting against people who have IP's only and no account. Hence, I will set up an account. However, you also must assume good faith in editors. Mine was good faith, as it did not delete anything, and merely kept all citations near their place, with minor moving around. Yet, your "page protection" seems to put an unreasonable ban upon my IP until at least September. Again, my edits were in good faith, and will not be added again until we've discussed more in Talk, and I've gotten an account. As such, your block seems heavy-handed. Can you please remove the block? In return, I will go through the protocols you suggested via setting an account and discussing on Talk. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.45.106.84 (talk) 00:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

The semiprotection was justified. Whether you have an account or not, you still need to get agreement with others. If not, your changes will most likely be reverted. Intelligent design is a highly controversial article. EdJohnston (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Possible 'War of the Pacific' issue......again

I prefer to have no further discussion here with single-use IPs who are avoiding scrutiny. If you want to post here about War of the Pacific, use a registered acccount or link to your past article edits. EdJohnston (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
War of the Pacific (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) MarshalN20 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) It has come to my attention that a 'random' IP user recently asked the editor Marshaln20 who incidentally is banned from editing Latin American history articles to somehow request an edit to the WoTp article. MarshalN20 directed the IP to user Dentren (who claims to be a friend) for the request. This might be a harmless request but mind you User MarshalN20 has a history of 'gaming' the system for his/her pleasure (which explains the edit ban on latAM articles). My suspicion is to think the latter. I've noticed recently that user Dentren has been on an edit war with Keysanger over an issue with the WoTP and now all of the sudden I see MarshalN20 come into the picture. As a keen follower of latin american history articles I just thought to put the recent developments into your attention as you been the only admin to have dealt with issues with the WoTP of late. I think Marshaln20 might be up to some mischief again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.185.165 (talk) 06:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC) I see an IP offering to work on a translation from the Spanish Wikipedia. That seems useful, and User:MarshalN20 wants to direct the IP to someone who is in a position to advise him on that. No harm done, I think. If you are actually someone who has previously worked in this area it would be helpful if you would log in before commenting. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC) Thank you very much, Ed. I find it interesting that this IP editor is from Australia. It was not long ago that Wee Curry Monster investigated a sockpuppet relationship between Keysanger and an editor from Australia (Chelios123). The duck test was strong on this one, but it was declined on a technicality (they edit from continents apart). I think that WCM was on the right track, but consider that the situation here is a very serious case of meatpuppetry...but no administrator has been able to put a stop to it.--MarshalN20 Talk 04:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC) Just only to say that, I would like to be in Australia, long beaches with fine white sand and palms, but unfortunately, I'm not and I never have been in Australia. --Keysanger (talk) 12:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC) Sorry for the late reply. Thank you for taking the time to look into my concern. The reasoning for reporting my concern to you in the first place is that the WoTP article has a history of delinquent editors trying to add their influence to the article. The most recent one being darkness_shines who evidently is linked to the editor I mentioned before (also a delinquent). In the end i'm glad someone of authority is watching over important LatAm history articles.58.179.158.219 (talk) 12:11, 11 August 2015 (UTC) 58.179, you're welcome. But once again, your use of a throwaway IP to comment here takes away from the credibility of your case. Surely you must have contributed to this topic with other identities. EdJohnston (talk) 16:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC) I find it very suggestive that an Australian IP reverted me and sided with Keysanger in the edit war he started on Economic history of Chile in February see diff and IP number here. Since this happened during the most heated part of the war I interpret this as of Keysanger forgetting to log in (or tried to avoid the WP:3RR). Thus I tend to believe Keysager uses Australian IPs or alternatevely has an inadequate relationship with them. Dentren | Talk 09:47, 12 August 2015 (UTC) Ok, @Dentren:, you find it very suggestive, right. Now tell us why have been deleted so many of your uploads [1] in the English Wikipedia Have you told a lie about your rights over the images?, for example, Lanin Epulafquen.jpg ("created this work entirely by myself") or Location Chile Capitania2.JPG ("Source=self-made)" or Valdivia de noche.JPG ("I took this photo"), Huilo-Huilo.gif ("I took this photo with my own camera.")? Have you told another lies to Wikipedia? Are you liying now? Thanks for your sincerity, if any. --Keysanger (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC) Well, you comments seems more of a personal attack than a serious investigation about my past misbehavior (5+ years ago). You are of course free to investigate my uploads but please stay on topic. Essentially I see this as Keysanger diverting attention from from the investigations of sockpuppetry and meatsockpuppetry involving me, Keysanger, Marshal and the Australian IPs, that is what concerns here. Dentren | Talk 13:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC) @dentren Your recent addition to the post is incorrect and it unnecessarily involves another editor. At best i'm just a petty bystander with a keen eye on certain topics that include LatAm articles which is why I was concerned about the recent conduct of a known delinquent and yourself regarding the WoTP article. If you took exception to my concern (that was later judged to be benign) it wasn't meant to be directed at you personally. If you still feel strongly about it then I'll just feel sorry for you. I hope you and keysanger resolve your difference of opinions the right way via constructive dialogue and mediation if required. good luck to you. 58.179.158.219 (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC) @Dentren: you have lied Wikipedia once and you are lying it now again because I am not the socketpuppet nor the meatpuppet of anyone, and I never was the socketpuppet nor the meatpuppet of anyone. I have my own style, I don't need puppets like @Eduardo Eddy Ramirez:, a puppet of the people like marshalN20, darkness shines or dentren, who always see black/white, foe/friend, and never see gray tones nor nouances. Take a look to Special:Contributions/Eduardo_Eddy_Ramirez. His account was opened for and only for the discussion in the article War of the Pacific. He was guided by someone to disturb and to make trouble and then he disappered for ever. Such are the people working with them. @Dentren: by the way, I have been accused of puppetry but the claimers had to show the white feather. If you want to repeat it, do it, go to WP:SPI and show your credentials: [2], good luck!. --Keysanger (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

A complete calque-up

A question, inspired by the above question on renaming articles. A German editor recently created a short article, based on a good deal of wishful thinking and unfamiliarity with English, I would bet; he, or others, then translated it into the German Wiki. All of the more glaring errors are now corrected or identified on the English version, but the German still contains them all. Is there any mechanism for this situation? (See jeepomotive and its follow-ons for the whole picture.) I dunno where to bring this. 23:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anmccaff (talk • contribs)

Dunno what happened there; either a shortage or surfeit of tildes. Anmccaff (talk) 00:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Consider posting at de:Talk:Jeepomotive. Not sure what problems you see with their article. EdJohnston (talk) 00:52, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Nearly every fact in it is wrong, often in direct, and obvious contradiction of the sources cited...or, at least they would be to an english speaker. The writer presumed that what is mostly journalistic wordplay was a proper English word, and it went downhill from there. For example, a use of a jeep as a makeshift locomotive in the Philippines is dated by the officer in charge's college year, a stretched passenger jeep, used for Coast Guard beach patrols, is re-imagined as a locomotive, the invasion of north Borneo is moved to 1943, Americans become Australians... Anmccaff (talk) 02:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

It would help if you added these specific criticisms to the German talk page. What you just posted there is vague. Also, if the errors are in one version of the English article, specify which one. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Done, and generating response. Who would I see about moving the media on wikicommons to a better-named category? Anmccaff (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Why not leave a message for commons:User talk:Rcbutcher. He has categorized some related photos on Commons. EdJohnston (talk) 20:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. Again, thanks. Anmccaff (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way to locate bilingual admins? I have a situation on the German Wiki which is headed toward a simple edit war, and a fork in the path the two versions, English and German, take. Anmccaff (talk) 02:20, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

You could view WP:WikiProject Germany/Members and look for people in the list who are admins. Or, if you see the name of someone you know well (even if they are not an admin) you could ask them to post on a German admin board for you. EdJohnston (talk) 02:27, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Book of Genesis

This article has been plagued for a few days by a rather persistent IP who keeps changing address, inserting unsupported POV. The community keeps reverting it, but the disruption is continual. Any chance of a protective action? Thanks! Evensteven (talk) 17:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Semiprotected two months. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:14, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

"List of multiple discoveries"

Thanks for your note in the matter of "Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Nihil novi and User:Libesruinssineced reported by User:Mfb (Result: Libesruinssineced blocked)."

Two days ago, on 5 August 2015, I requested temporary semi-protection for the article, but NeilN determined that "semi-protection will do nothing, as all parties are autoconfirmed."

I did not know where else to turn. (By the way, User:Libesruinssineced actually first began his ill-conceived interventions on 14 July 2015—some 24 days ago.)

I owe a great debt of gratitude to User:Mfb, who brought the matter to the Administrators' noticeboard, and to you and your colleagues.

Thanks! Nihil novi (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Invisalign

Hi Ed. Under normal circumstances, I would be edit-warring over these edits that re-structure the article in a way that editors have not been supportive of on Talk. The discussion has been leaning against the editor's preferred version of the article, but they continue to insist on their version.(my comments here and the complete discussion here and here)

I was hoping you might have some advice on how to break the deadlock. Because I have a COI, I can't edit-war and escalate to the edit-warring board as I would do normally. The editor seems unresponsive to reason, compromise or feedback from un-involved editors and it's almost impossible to get a clear, unambiguous consensus for every little edit. Most RFCs for company articles end up expiring without a formal close and rarely get very much participation from un-involved editors on their own. It also seems unlikely a random disinterested editor will take enough of a sustained interest for things to settle out through bold editing. There are also other problems with the editor's recent changes to the article that will likely result in a similar resistance to changing their preferred version. I don't see how I can get the article GAN-ready while following WP:COI while this editing behavior is ongoing. CorporateM (Talk) 16:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

• The pagelinks for this article are at: Invisalign (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

In a quick look, I can't see that the edits by Doc James made much difference to the content of the article. My own opinion on the article as a whole is that it's easy to understand. You can get the drift of what this invention is. It might be informative if the article would compare the current stock price (on NASDAQ) of Align Technology to the IPO price of 2001. If you do propose this article for GA review and any commenters mention the issues you are disputing here, that might give you more backup for your position. EdJohnston (talk) 19:57, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Comments about other editors

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Regarding Satyananda Saraswati's article

Paragraph regarding Akhandananda and Shishy is not relevant in Satyananda Saraswati's article in Wikipedia!

That paragraph regarding allegations against Akhandananda Saraswati has nothing to do with Satyananda Saraswati's article in wikipedia. It only refers to allegations against Akhandananda Saraswati. So should somebody want to write an article about Akhandananda and his actions that's where this information belongs and not in Satyananda's article. In referance to Shishy's personal opinion regarding the whole issue, I believe that the correct way to go is to write an article about Shishy herself as well as what she thinks Satyananda might have said or done, as no proof exists whatsoever on what she claims to have happened. I am astonished that Wikipedia allows the publishing of unsubstantiated claims placed on irrelevant articles....

It wasn't my intention to start an editing war(thank you for informing me regarding this issue by the way), but i would have never imagined that there are people publishing irrelevant information on articles without any proof whatsoever! Viennabe (talk) 17:04, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your message

• Cydevil38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I apologize to my harsh tone, but I'd rather be blocked than to give in to Zanhe's threats, harassment and his continuous biased edits on the subject of Korean history. As for the edit warring, I believe the one making the bold change should first attempt a discussion instead of edit warring with multiple users. Zanhe's been edit warring with multiple users on the matter of controversy for the last six months. Cydevil38 (talk) 23:55, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, FYI, the admin you contacted banned me for "edit-warring" with a sockpuppet. Check these IPs for yourself.

219.111.108.28

133.236.57.143

220.100.223.245

219.111.108.168

133.236.57.143

133.236.112.95

This sock is also active in the article in question.

Sockpuppet investigation: [3] Cydevil38 (talk) 00:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

User:Cydevil38, if this is the best response you can provide, I am planning to go ahead with a one-month block of your account. You've been edit warring for as much as a year about old events in Korean history. We need you to agree to wait for consensus before reverting again. EdJohnston (talk) 01:39, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

If you are referring to Gojoseon and the Template of Korean History, the users severely disrupted the BOLD-REVERSE-DISCUSS cycle. One time I got blocked was for "edit warring" by a series of IPs that are likely to be sockpuppets(investigation pending). And there are at least two parties to edit warring, and it seems I'm the only one getting accused. If you think that BRD cycle should be ignored and let editors make bold edits without waiting for consensus, I ask that you go right ahead and block me. That being said, as long as a pre-bold edit version of an article is kept, I agree that one should discuss and endeavor to make consensus, which is what was done at the last controversy over the Gojoseon article and History of Korea template. Cydevil38 (talk) 02:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I've also noticed your talk with HJ Mitchell. I believe his ban was unjustifiable, such as that Zanhe was also involved in this long-term edit war along with long-term sockpuppets. The stalemated dispute with Zanhe was resolved by my initiation, and it was a series of anon IPs, which I believe to be sockpuppets, that pro-longed the edit warring. After the conclusion of the current sockpuppet investigation[4], I will make an appeal for Mitchell's ban. Cydevil38 (talk) 02:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

cydevil38: I'm getting impatient with this indecision(And I'm sober). I've given this some thought. I'll agree that for next three months I get to have one revert in one page per month that informs breach of BRD Cycle or breach of a standing consensus in talks. I keep my rights to insert dispute tags(e.g. NPOV tags) infinite times, which disruptive users like Zanhe kept reverting in the past at Gojoseon. Edit warring sock puppets are also to be reverted infinite times, as along as they are against hard-reached consensus and do not partake in discussions at all. If there are alternative ways to deal with socks, please inform me. I'll keep up to these restrictions for the next six months. This is largely motivated in part on my actions to Ogress, for which I have apologized with sincerity over "gaslighting". I sincerely regret over that event. Also, Hopefully, you could warn Zanhe as well for long-term edit warring, and tell him about the BRD cycle. Like I said, there are at least two parties to edit warring. I'm Cydevil38, I currently scrambled my password so I can chill down and get sober for that matter, and hopefully involved editors won't hold as much grudge and can engage in talks without hostility in the near future. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 02:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

The AN3 complaint about User:Cydevil38 is now closed with a warning. If he makes further reverts about the history of Korea that don't clearly have a talk page consensus he may be blocked without additional notice. His 24 reverts at Template:History of Korea since mid-2014 show that others disagree with his changes. EdJohnston (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

After reviewing WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Collision787 I've semiprotected Timeline of Korean history and Template:History of Korea for one year. Gojoseon is already semiprotected three months by another admin. Let me know of any other Korean history articles that appear to be targeted by socks. EdJohnston (talk) 02:44, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I still want my right to make a single edit as to inform breach of BRD or consensus, and infinite edits and reverts regarding informative tags like NPOV or Citation Needed. Both Gojoseon and teamplate:History of Korea have active socks currently under investigation. And so what? I can't even add NPOV tags now when the article is under dispute? I can't inform users that they are violating BRD and consensus? As for Korean history articles targeted socks, you can start with Gojoseon and template:History of Korea. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 03:00, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Nobody has an infinite right to keep reverting articles. As an IP you can still post your concerns on the talk pages. You aren't the only judge of NPOV. Neutrality is established by agreement among editors. EdJohnston (talk) 03:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

First of all, thank you for your time. I have a lot of questions and doubts, and I thank you for making informative responses. So let me get some of this straight.

• I still need to make at least one edit to inform other editors of the relevant policies and invite them to the talk page.
• I need to be able to add appropriate tags like NPOV on long-term disputed articles to let readers know that the article is in dispute. Disruptive users may remove them. In this case, what do I do?
• As for articles targeted by socks, I'll inform you of the articles affected by them as you have suggested.
• Do you think evidence for my edit warring over template:History of Korea is strong and wrongful, in light of extensive edit warring by a couple of users, including Zanhe(with whom I have reached consensus), and a sockpuppet? Thank you for your consideration. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 03:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

(Cydevil38) You ban me over edit warring with a sockpuppet, despite my efforts to establish a consensus in the talks. It seems I won't be able to work with Wikipedia under these harsh conditions against disruptive editors who go unpunished continue their work. I ask for a 6 month ban. Those Chinese editors can mess up Korean articles as much as they want, I won't care. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 04:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

• Cydevil38 Please ban me I cannot bide by your terms, and I'd like to be banned for six months or more if you please, under the same given reason, my 24 reverts at template:History of Korea. I'm sick of half-measures and users like Zanhe threatening me with AN moves like this. So please ban me for whatever amount of time you deem fit for making 24 reverts at template:History of Korea. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 07:02, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

:*I doubt very much Cydevil38 is 1. in Zambia 2. can't be arsed to log in to make a radical request like this 3. wouldn't just walk away instead of demanding to be banned via IP. Ogress _smash! 07:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC) Apparently I misread the range and it's South Korea and he's used it before. *shrug* Okay, people are even stranger than I thought they were. Why does he say he's been blocked for edit-warring with an IP vandal when he's not blocked at all? Ogress _smash! 08:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Strange? Did it ever occur to you that AN actions like 3RR creates hostilities and severely disrupt consensus making? Zanhe did even worse; he made an ANI report during a dispute resolution process. I was banned for edit-warring with IP socks by HJ Mitchell, and now again I am reprimanded(warned) for edit-warring with the same socks at the same article. The same article where I and Zanhe with much edit warring eventually reached a compromise and made consensus. I'm just sick of people who use ANI processes without making any effort for discussion, or do so during a dispute resolution process. In any case, I want to be banned for the same reason I was warned - making 24 edits to template:History of Korea. Be it a month, 6 months or even a year. Please make it happen. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 08:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

If you are Cydevil38 and you've lost your password, you are not blocked. If necessary you can create a new account and start again. But admins are not going to put up with any more bad behavior about the history of Korea, from whatever source. Edits have to be made with consensus, and anybody who is here on a long-term crusade (who can't persuade the others) is not going to be welcome. EdJohnston (talk) 12:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I know I can revive my username. What I want is a lengthy block based on the same reason that you have warned me - 24 edits on Template:History of Korea. One months, three months, nine months, I don't care. Just ban me. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 13:46, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Can't you ban yourself? How about six months? EdJohnston (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

No, I can't ban or block myself. So please ban/block me for six months as you suggested, for making 24 edits on template:History of Korea. 14:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.161.79.71 (talk)

If you still had a working account, that might be blocked for six months. But it's not worth it to block a fluctuating IP. EdJohnston (talk) 14:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I promise you I'll be back to my account, and no longer use this IP connection. So please ban that account for the reason given. 121.161.79.71 (talk) 15:38, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Under normal admin authority I can't ban any accounts. The most I can do is block something. If you have a working account, ask me again. Leave me a message when logged in to the account. EdJohnston (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I've had more trouble getting my password than I'd thought. I'm using this account from now on. Now, please block is for whatever duration you see fit for making 24 edits on template:History of Korea. And if possible, can you please transfer HJ Mitchell's block history to this account as well? Cydevil3800 (talk) 21:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

To be frank, I was considering an indef block of your account. The problem was not just the 24 edits, it was the apparent belief you were entitled to keep reverting forever. (You were never going to accept an WP:RFC). If you go back to editing the history of Korea, admins will be watching. I think you know what is necessary to stay out of trouble there. EdJohnston (talk) 00:03, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

There's a lot of misunderstanding here. I know I'm not entitled to keep reverting forever. And what do you mean I'll never accept a WP:RFC? I've been in multiple WP:RFCs and Third Opinions, many by my initiation. I'm quite experienced with the dispute resolution process. I know what is necessary, but this "no revert rule" just wasn't it. Cydevil3800 (talk) 01:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Just to remind you, I'm not going to heed to your warning to keep your "no revert rule". You can block me indef at this point if you find this disagreeable. Nonetheless, I'll be more mindful of reverts from next time on, including notifying you of sock puppets and edit warriors. Also, next time, please contact User:Nlu if you find my behavior disruptive. He has much more experience with me and I respect him a lot as an admin(not HJ Mitchell). Cydevil3800 (talk) 14:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

My warning still stands, even if you plan to ignore it. You may be blocked by any administrator the next time you revert about the history of Korea unless your change is supported by a talk page consensus. You seem to find it to be too much trouble to negotiate for your changes. I'm pinging User:Nlu and User:HJ Mitchell in case they have any comment. EdJohnston (talk) 15:23, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Indef block me. I won't be back by another account or IP, I promise. Cydevil3800 (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I've made a revert[5]. Now you have full reason to block me indefinitely, and please do. Cydevil3800 (talk) 17:18, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring with Philip J Fry

I think you made a mistake on the kind of messages I left on Philip J Fry's talk page.I barely understood the guy.I wish you should please quote one message I sent to him that was incomprehensible.Thank you. nyanchy 22:48, 14 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyanchoka (talk • contribs)

This edit is the one I was thinking of. Were you proposing that he should 'execute himself?' That wouldn't be logical. EdJohnston (talk) 02:13, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

request block on IP 71.96.48.136 at Flat Earth

Repeat unsupported promotion of POV and edit warring. Thanks! Evensteven (talk) 01:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Already done by another. Thanks! Evensteven (talk) 01:13, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Topic banned user wants to edit war

I'm not gonna go back and forth with him. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_M._Waugaman&action=history. Tom Reedy (talk) 02:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Ed, did you do any investigation of this accusation, or are you following the usual wikipedia editor's practice of believing a crank like Tom Reedy just because he confirms your own deeply held prejudices? Think about it. You are in for a surprise. America needs a better Wikipedia than this Kangaroo court. You guys are out of control and will be stopped. --BenJonson (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Cydevil38

• Cydevil38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Cydevil3800 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I don't know if you've been following this, but Cydevil38: the resolution of his ANI case seems to have had some effect on him: he made a new account, Cydevil3800, and is using a range of IPs and refuses to log in. You can see his discussion on my talkpage. I'm really not trying to dog him, but I really don't see that we should let editors throw tantrums like this. This is his third username, and I don't think he "legally" changed any of them using the processes here at Wikipedia. Ogress _smash! 02:39, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Let me know if you see him editing any contested articles with more than one identity. EdJohnston (talk) 03:07, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Full protection of Greeks

Hi Ed. I pinged you from 3RRN but I just wanted to make sure that you get my message. Please see my comments at 3RRN regarding the 3RR report against SilentResident and my opinion that full protection is not necessary as the only dispute is with the IP and not between registered editors. Thanks. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:52, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't find your objection convincing. It is best if everyone will use the talk page to sort out the differences in the population estimates, during the three days of protection. Most likely one party is way off base but merely from looking at the edits (and without getting any clear explanations from anyone) I can't tell who. EdJohnston (talk) 02:54, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Not sure why you don't see my point Ed. I have nothing to discuss with SilentResident. The only one edit-warring against established consensus is the IP and the IP is not discussing anything but simply reverting. There is no need for full protection since there are no registered editors edit-warring. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

So far there is nothing about this on the talk page. I was at first going to semiprotect, but then I saw that some registered editors had also gone over 3RR. The permitted exclusions under WP:3RRNO don't cover what you are asking. EdJohnston (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

There is no risk for any registered editor to perform any more reverts once the article gets semiprotected. The IP was performing controversial edits, as for example reducing the Greek population of Albania to 27,000 from 200,000. SilentResident mistakenly reverted one of my edits but we talked about it on my talkpage and resolved it. There are no remaining issues between registered editors any longer so no discussion can take place between that group. The other revert of SR was to revert an edit by KazekageTR that raised the population of Greeks in Turkey from 4,000 to 300,000. Kazekage had been reverted since 2014 multiple times by different editors because this is a very controversial edit as I am sure you can understand. SR's revert of Kazekage is not controversial. In any case Kazekage has not edited since 2 August. So again, there is nothing to discuss between active registered editors. In any case, this is my best and last shot. You have the final say in this. I'm not in any hurry to edit the article but it was an interesting exercise in page protection philosophy. Thank you regardless. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 03:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

The question of which numbers are correct can just as easily be discussed on the article talk page. If it turns out that most people are in agreement that could be a reason to lift the protection early. EdJohnston (talk) 03:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

We have a not very likely scenario that KazekageTR who has not edited in the past two weeks comes in within the next three days and reverts SilentResident. Then SilentResident reverts Kazekage and the edit-war starts anew. I doubt that Kazekage will suddenly appear in the next three days to start reverting. I also doubt even more that SR will revert again any time soon. Even if SR starts a thread to discuss with Kazekage I don't think it likely that KZ is going to discuss anything within the next three days. The only likely edit-warring actor here is the dynamic IP. But as I said above, this is just my analysis. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 03:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Winx Club

Hello.

I saw that you protected the List of Winx Club characters page because of my edits.

I usually try my best not to add unsourced material or remove sourced material when I edit, and none of my edits were unsourced. A new season of Winx Club is airing and new information has surfaced because of that, and I edited that page to reflect what we now know thanks to the new season (such as the Fairy Animals, and Daphne not being a member of the Winx).

I also edited characters' paragraphs to make them more ordered and consistent, and because some user (whose previous account and IP's have been blocked, I believe) had been tampering with the page by adding superfluous flowery language to the pages, such as adding " almighty and limitless power of the Great Dragon" instead of "the power of the Great Dragon", replacing "Winx" with "Winx Club" everywhere (although the term "the Winx" is often used in the show) and so on, and it only added way too much unnecessary wording to the paragraphs.

The minor character's sections had not been much tampered with, so I didn't edit them.

I hope you understand.

197.225.93.88 (talk) 09:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

If you intend to make large changes like this one you should use the talk page to get support for your plans. EdJohnston (talk) 12:26, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll be more careful in the future, and I'll be less... extreme while editing.

Even in this edit, most of what I did was removing the poetic flowery language used by that other user and the way too many minor details added by them, and replacing it by simpler wording and rearranging some paragraphs they were too much of an incomprehensible mess. I didn't remove any substantial information.

That said, can you unlock the page? The new season is airing and there are new episodes airing weekly, so the new information does need to be added. When my edits were undone, all season 7 information was removed from the page.

197.225.95.192 (talk) 13:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Though the article is semied, the talk page is still open to you. Is there any reason you can't use an account? Your above posts come from two different IPs, which is confusing if anyone wants to respond to you. EdJohnston (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I used to have an account, but my computer crashed earlier this year and I lost access to it and to the email address I used for it. I'll try making a new account. :/ 197.225.95.192 (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)