User talk:Elockid

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Polylepsis: 2010-10-31

fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Kiriniki + fr:Wikipédia:Vérificateur d'adresses IP/Requêtes/octobre 2010#Demande concernant Smilewath3 et Kiriniki - 30 octobre

Sleeping or quiet sockpuppets on wp-EN:

• Smilewath3 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Smilewath2 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Kfuzhe kuf (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Tube tends3 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Bric a brac 2 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Rikkikie (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Hégésippe | ±Θ± 12:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on both. Both handled by either me or stewards. Elockid ^(Talk) 12:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I just built a personal ‘template’ in User:Hégésippe Cormier/SPI. I think it should be useful, next time, to try to use it in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Polylepsis (or for other sockmasters case pages) when the case page is empty after archiving.

I looked at the two following diffs — [1] and [2] (September 19th) — to understand what seems to be the best way to inform English language community without disturbing sysops on their talk pages .

I had difficulties to understand the explanations on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 13:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll bring up your concerns to the other clerks when I go to IRC. You don't have to worry about disturbing me if I'm around. It's part of my job to handle socks. Elockid ^(Talk) 14:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I read the french CU and everything, but Elockid, excuse me stepping on your toes, but Kfuzhe kuf (talk · contribs) is still not blocked. Just noting. Feel free to poke me on IRC. -- DQ (t) (e) 18:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Wish I could do more but Kfuzhe kuf is not registered here on en.wiki yet. Though I have made a mental note that this is a sock. I can't block any account that's not registered here. Elockid ^(Talk) 19:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I feel stupid now. I didn't read the logs correctly. Sorry about that. -- DQ (t) (e) 19:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

HDI 2010

Can you update all the data and I post the table at Eliko's TP.--125.25.45.45 (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll update probably tomorrow (Friday). Elockid ^(Talk) 21:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, are you doing this all manually? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:04, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the super late response. I don't know how I missed it. I was already beaten before I could anything. But I plan on finishing the last half of the countries that I did last Friday. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Please help me!

Hello there, fellow Wikipedian! Please, allow me to clarify that I’m not a robot or anything of the sort... please carry on reading! =) Allow me to introduce myself – My name is Maria and I’m a high school student at El Salvador. You probably know this country, because according to the revision history in the “El Salvador” Wikipedia page, you took part in its maintenance just recently, not many days ago. You probably may think that this is extremely random for a total stranger to ask for your help, out of the blue, but I think you just may be the right person to help me out for my ITGS (IT in a Global Society) investigation. It’s simple, really. I have a set of interview questions (some are open, some are closed) that you, as a WP-editing expert, could kindly answer for me. I’d really appreciate it if you helped me out. I can send you my analytical essay to further prove that I really am a student seeking opinions on the subject of her research, and not some spamming/phishing robot. You can contact me at marialaurapa@gmail.com to send me your interview answers, or any other queries you may have. I am happy to respond to any of your questions regarding my research. If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be great. My full interview transcript is due on Wednesday the 10th of November. Here is the set of questions I would like you to answer:

1. How often do you find offenses and inaccuracies in Wikipedia?

2. If so, what kind of offenses have you found?

3. How do you think this affects the use of Wikipedia for educational purposes?

4. As an editor, have you ever faced any cases of vandalism or unrighteous deletion to your posts?

5. As a scholar, have you ever felt inclined towards using Wikipedia as your only source?

6. If so, or if not, why?

7. Are you an advocate of Open-Source online encyclopedias, or do you consider commercial encyclopedias as a more reliable source of information?

8. (To previous question) Why?

9. Do you believe that every person should have the same right to establishing of an 'editor' hierarchy?(Take into account the repercussions that this has in education)

10. How do you think these changes in Wikipedia transform the open source community?

Thank you for your time!

Marialaurapa (talk) 07:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I usually don't use email, so I'm just going to answer here. I hope you don't mind.

1 & 2) There are some inaccuracies, not that many caused by vandals trying to insert wrong information like this person. But it's not rampant. Vandalism is high but it usually gets reverted quickly before the average reader/passerby notices

3) Not really very much. As I said previously, vandalism doesn't stay in the articles for long and for the most part the information stays accurate. However, the most major effect is that there is still the chance of misinformation.

4) If you mean my comments on a talk page where a person vandalizes I would say, in other words refactor or change my comments to have a completely different meaning, then I can't really think of a time qhwn this happened. If you mean my edits to articles have people vandalized them, then yes.

5 & 6) No. Having multiple sources is the best way to go to have a comparison or idea about a topic. Each source no matter how accurate or credible they may be still has a chance to be inaccurate. Wikipedia is no exception especially with its open editing nature.

7 & 8) Commercial encyclopedias such as Britannica Encyclopaedia are by default more reliable. They are closed editing encyclopedias, people just can't insert random info, so there is a much less risk of encountering inaccurate information when comparing it to Wikipedia.

9) A bit of clarification here. Do you mean an "editor" hierarchy where there is an editor in chief or an "editor" hierarchy in Wikipedia where your user access level is involved?

10) I'm not sure of what changes you mean. Could you please elaborate? Elockid (Alternate) ^(Talk) 13:39, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Mlpearc

Hello Elockid; I have a request, you protected my user page on my public account. I am requesting the same for my main account Thank you in advance for your help. Mlpearc Public (talk) 16:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Feel free to message me if you want any of the protections removed or reduced. Elockid ^(Talk) 19:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Cheers. Mlpearc powwow 20:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Cities in India

Are you going to change the Surat population based on the source? We can't really have disparate sources in a single source list, besides there's no logic presented on the current source on how they got their estimates either. This has started affecting other city articles as the list is being used as a reference to change the rankings elsewhere. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 22:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah just did. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:19, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Remembrance Day

Thanks very much! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 00:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! Elockid ^(Talk) 00:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

REQUEST

hello ELockid, can you explain me how the site world gazettar is reliable and in what sense.and can a metropolitan population be greater than the city population?

(talk page stalker) A metropolitan population counts the population of the city and of the outlying region with strong socio-economic (commuting) ties with the city. For further info please read Metropolitan area. Jarkeld (talk) 12:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It is considered reliable because it uses official census data. Census data is usually more preferred on Wikipedia. See Los Angeles for example. The city or the state of California, can't remember which, has a population estimate for Los Angeles, but census data is used instead. In most cases the metropolitan population is greater than the city population. This is because many cities have suburbs which have strong economic ties to the central city. But that is not always the case. See Chongqing for example. Elockid ^(Talk) 22:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Country template page protection

You declined my requests to protect {{BAR}} and {{LIT}} because they are "just" redirects. But vandalism to these has the same effect as vandalism to the base templates, and BAR at least has the advantage of being sanctioned by the IOC. Agreed, they don't have a history of vandalism, but I'm guessing many of the others don't either; they are protected usually with comments such as Heavily used meta-template which is seldom updated. Protected due to vandalism concerns or high-risk template. Ma^t_chups 03:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Could you please show me some other redirects of flag templates that are protected. Then I'll reconsider my decision. Elockid ^(Talk) 12:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Human Development Index

Hi, Elockid

Could you check this page Human Development Index and see if it needs semi-protection? Just noticed all those Tag:Section blanking, and I'm not sure if that's right. If it is, so be it. --John KB (talk) 15:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

There's some good edits, so I'm a bit reluctant to protect now. I did warn the user who kept section blanking though. Elockid ^(Talk) 00:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, page blanking by User_talk:24.141.79.30, that's why I was reluctant to send it to RPP. I just happened to stumble into the page because of Commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:IDH_Mundial.PNG and a sockpuppeteer with a range of ip's that vandalizes any page to promote Nicaragua. Those kind of articles really attract ips from all over the place trying to show the world their "country is better than yours." Keep a watch on it. --John KB (talk) 01:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You probably mean Kirbyn4 right? I know what you mean with those kind of vandals. At least in Kirbyn's case, he seems to have died down a bit. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

When they're blocked repeatedly, they have to. We've dealt with one from Arab France who permanently adds the same article and the same fake references to support his/her claims, thankfully he/she's been warned and blocked each time. There was one from Poland who always had to put Polish people first on any list, to make them look more important and the first thing you saw in any article. Right now, there's one from the Philippines who repeatedly creates usernames, makes 4 edits max in each account to avoid blocking, then creates a new one. Then changes to ip vandalism, different ip each time. May need a CheckUser on him/her, but who would be the sockpuppeteer? Lol. Then we have those who WP:CITESPAM and WP:ADVERT, but that's another sneaky topic. It's really amazing to see what some people do on WP. --John KB (talk) 02:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Usually when I don't know who the sockmaster is, I usually designate the first created account as the sockmaster. Sometimes CU will find out who the sockmaster is. Elockid ^(Talk) 04:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, will do that. If my understanding is correct, they would also find dormant accounts created by the same user. She/he may not display foresight, but who knows? Thanks. --John KB (talk) 12:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

information

Are the indian cities Ahmedabad and Surat A-1 cities.And can you tell me from where have you taken the metropolitan population of surat,which is 6.3 million.i am unable to find any source for it.thanks....— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dangerpatel (talk • contribs)

Don't know about the statuses of those cities. You might want to ask some one at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities or Wikipedia:WikiProject India. For the 6.3 million, I did not add that number. I only added the other number. Elockid ^(Talk) 15:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Signature size

Can you please decrease it? It isn't supposed to be that large; you aren't supposed to use big tags in your signature.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 23:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Sig size decreased. Elockid ^(Talk) 15:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 02:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Whitmore ban

Elockid, I read your unblock decline on Katter 1993's talk page. This has gone on far enough. Pa-ban na kaya natin (Can we consider banning him)? --Eaglestorm (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

We probably can. People are requesting lots of bans these days on AN. It's worth a shot. Elockid ^(Talk) 15:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I just need to get my thoughts together. That last statement he made about continuing to sock if he's unblocked is already enough to ensure his permanent exile. and if you're reading this Whitmore, haha, humanda ka na dahil pagsisisihan mong nakipag-gaguhan ka samin, duwag ka (get ready because you're gonna be sorry you tried to make fools out of us, you coward).--Eaglestorm (talk) 16:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

shanghai

sorry, deleting shanghai was an accident, was trying to edit.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.13.155 (talk • contribs)

about your words

sir,

i remember you said this words on my talk page "cough. Btw, the next census in India isn't until 2011. Also, the Surat population you keep speaking off are actual estimates, not actual figures".firstly i would advice you to clear your facts.do you know that the indian census is almost completed.and you are saying that census will be in 2011.then you are in sleep."WAKE UP BABY".secondly,i agree that surat population are estimates.but,do you think that world gazettar is more reliable in estimates than the municipal corporation of the city itself.also, one thing i forgot to tell you that i recently edited the ahmedabad article with the 2001 census population.but spacemansniff leaved me a message saying "stop,your disruptive edits".now,using 2001 census population is also disruptive."GOD BLESS WIKIPEDIA MAN" for there false estimates.

Lol! Almost completed. At least the information I am taking from is directly stated from the source. I did not also misquote the source passing them off as official estimates. The official website that does the census of India which you can find here states that the next census will be in 2011. Here's one of their headlines: Welcome to Census 2011 & National Population Register(NPR) Programme. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it is probably a bogus source. The cough cough statement was to show that you were contradicting yourself. CityMayors is not and does not use official census data. Though you have stated that the municipal estimate is more reliable, you have showed by the diff I put in SpacemanSpiff's talk page that you truly do not believe so because it appears you believe CityMayors is the most reliable by replacing the municipal estimate with the CityMayors estimate. The reason your edits are disruptive because you are editing tendentiously and not trying to form any sort of consensus despite 3 different editors disagreeing with you. Elockid ^(Talk) 21:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Brazil

Hi, Elockid. Could you do something about Brazil's article? There is an editor called Eduardo Sellan III who insists on adding figures without proper sources and his edits has been reverted by me and another editor but he keeps reverting it. Thanks, --Lecen (talk) 17:38, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I gave him a 3RR warning since that's the formality being getting blocked for violating 3RR/edit warring. The next time he reverts, he will be blocked for edit warring. Elockid ^(Talk) 21:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Answer to your message

I agree with you. I'll talk with Lecen and Heitor C. Jorge in the Brazil discussion page. I ask you that protects the page until the discussions are resolved in the discussion page. - Eduardo Sellan III (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Page protected. Elockid ^(Talk) 12:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Human Development Index

Hi Elockid, I need your help in this article since there is one user that insist on publish his own maps that are full of erros and bad quality shape I did requested him to stop doing vandalism and go to the discussion page to debate about it, but he insist on edit war... Pristino is his name.

I already requested full protection to the page.

kardrak (talk) 04:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Seems like Pristino stopped edit warring. His last edit wasn't to revert you or to what was disputed about. I am keeping an eye though. Elockid ^(Talk) 12:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Continuation

Sorry I took so long to respond. Your answers are great! But I'll clarify it a little for questions 9 and 10... As you may know, Wikipedia considered imposing this new editing policy, like an editor "hierarchy". You can read about it here: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/67954.html. I know it's a little outdated... For questions 9 and 10 (sorry I didn't clarify beforehand) I meant this particular policy, and by "changes" (Q10) I'm referring to the way in which Wikipedia will change as a whole, if this policy is (or isn't) imposed. Thanks again!

Marialaurapa (talk) 18:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

From the article, I really don't see the need of having designated editors checking for inaccuracies, vandalism, etc. Wikipedians freely do this all the time including myself. It would be nice to have more hands to help out, but the way that it would be implemented based on the article won't probably make a difference. The current volunteers will probably serve as the editors described in the article and would be still doing the same tasks as they have been doing. I think we did have an "editor" group, but that was quickly removed. However, speaking about biographies of living persons (BLPs), the headline of the article, I am a supporter of having guidelines, policies, or restrictions on these articles. We already have some which you can see here. These are very sensitive articles. Even in journalism, having the wrong kind of information published could be damaging to the magazine, newspaper, etc. and could ultimately get themselves sued. That's why only "qualified" people are allowed to write articles about people in magazines and such. The same idea should be upheld in Wikipedia for BLPs as the consequences also applies here. There at least needs to be some degree of experience needed to be involved in BLPs to ensure that negative consequences do not occur. Elockid (Alternate) ^(Talk) 16:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Heitor C. Jorge disrespect me

User Heitor C. Jorge came to my talk page to offend me. He left the following message (he wrote in Portuguese):

Cala sua boca, seu moleque! Se você realmente entendesse o que é vandalismo, não teria sido bloqueado por 1 ano na pt-wiki. To cansado de editores como você, um verdadeiro câncer para o projeto. Fique longe de mim e da minha página de discussão.

Translated into English:
Shut your mouth, your kid! If you really understand what is vandalism, there would have been blocked for one year on pt-wiki. To tired of editors like you, a real cancer to the project. Stay away from me and my talk page.

[3]

I do not admit these offenses. He disrespected and policies need to be blocked. - Eduardo Sellan III (talk) 22:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Warned them. Elockid (Alternate) ^(Talk) 16:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

So notify the other user also. Heitor C. Jorge (talk) 04:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

re-blocking of communicat

Hi, I see I've been reblocked, but there's no indication of how long this reblocking is to be in force. Please let me know expiry date of re-block at my talk page, where you posted the re-block notice. Thanks. 196.210.181.54 (talk) 13:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC) Communicat

PS: I'm also a bit confused about the sending of messages during block period. The 1st block prevented me from sending messages; this re-block apparently allows me to send messages. I'm baffled. 196.210.181.54 (talk) Communicat