User talk:Felix Wan

Archive: 2004-12-31

re: Penkyamp

Good evening. I am trying to close the deletion nomination on Penkyamp. You made some very eloquent arguments in the discussion. Unfortunately, there is a clear concensus to delete the article. Wikipedia has a very strong policy against original research. Until and unless a topic becomes discussed or used outside of Wikipedia, the community has decided not to accept such articles.

As a temporary measure, I've taken the liberty of moving the article to a sub-page of your user space. See User:Felix Wan/Penkyamp. The article can stay there as long as you like in order to do more research or validate the content as long as your intent is to create a better encyclopedia article. (While it is there, it should be unlinked from all the other articles in the main encyclopedia space.)

You are correct in your interpretation of the other VfD thread that we discourage the use of sub-pages in order to continue developing theories, etc. If that is your intent, there are some other very good wikis which would probably meet those needs better. We are pretty strict about staying true to Jimbo's original vision of creating an encyclopedia. I hope this is satisfactory. Rossami (talk) 22:50, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help unlinking the article. I was trying to clean those up and kept getting, as Joyous said "the kind and encouraging error message" that the server 'didn't return any response to your request' when attempting to save. Had to walk away from the computer for a few hours... Anyway, I have now deleted the redirect that was created by the page move. I'd be happy to help you with the housekeeping but want to make sure I have it right before I start. (You are correct that none of them require a vote. They fall under the speedy deletion case about non-controversial page moves and user-requested deletions.)

Sorry, I'm rambling. Please confirm that you want:

User:Felix_Wan/Draft/Penkyamp deleted (Do you also want the associated Talk page deleted? It is a separate decision.)
User:Felix Wan/Penkyamp moved to User:Felix_Wan/Draft/Penkyamp (again, with the associated Talk page I assume?)
Delete the redirects that will have been automatically created at User:Felix Wan/Penkyamp and User talk:Felix Wan/Penkyamp

As I said, I'll be happy to do that for you. As a point of curiousity, though, is there a reason that you want the article to be at the /Draft/name instead of just at the /name? You already have it clearly labeled as a draft at the top of the page. Looking forward to your confirmation. Rossami (talk)

Page move done. If you don't mind, I'm going to leave the redirect in place for a little while. In the VfD thread, we specifically mentioned User:Felix Wan/Penkyamp. I recommend that we give everyone interested a few days to find it. Then you can easily request that the redirects be deleted by putting "{{deletebecause}} leftovers after a pagemove" at the top. Rossami (talk) 15:55, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cantonese Romanization

Hi Felix,

I would really appreciate your help at Talk:Political divisions of China. An anon is inserting Cantonese IPA pronunciation into Hong Kong and Guangdong related articles. The problem, however, is that he uses a rather unusual system, using /b d g/ for /p t k/, for example, just like Hanyu Pinyin and Jyutping. (This is IPA we're talking about.) I've argued with him for a very long time at Talk:Political divisions of China, but to no avail. In impatience I proposed using Jyutping and Yale instead of IPA to prevent further dispute, but he seems to prefer IPA.

Now, I've gotten rather impatient (oh well... this is what lots of arguing does to you ;) ) and there's a rant of mine at Talk:Shenzhen. I can't seem to find a way out of this. The only way that can please the Anon, it seems, is to use his IPA system, with /b d g/ and /p t k/ used in the Hanyu Pinyin and Jyutping way. I don't know what to say about this bizarre IPA system anymore.

So yeah, your input and expertise would be greatly appreciated. -- ran (talk) 21:21, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

Update: something approaching a consensus was reached, i.e. to use IPA as laid out in the Standard Cantonese article. I've also proposed this formally on Wikipedia:Manual of Style (China-related articles). Your input will be greatly appreciated! -- ran (talk) 22:13, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Felix:

Thanks for your reply. With regards to the /b d g/ issue: I understand that Y. R. Chao (and subsequently, Gwoyeu Romatzyh, Pinyin, and Jyutping) uses /b d g/ to maximize the usage of the Roman alphabet, which is acceptable as the transcription is phonemic. (It is perhaps comparable to the example of Danish, as discussed in Talk:Romanization.) However, I'm not sure if it is wise to have two completely different systems in use, one in Standard Cantonese and one for giving pronunciation to Cantonese words, where both systems claim to be called "IPA" but nevertheless use the same set of symbols /p t k/ to represent two completely different series of sounds. What is the reader supposed to think when he sees something like /toi san/ (台山)? Is the /t/ supposed to be aspirated or not? If the reader actually bothers trying to go find out, and goes into Standard Cantonese, isn't he going to get the precise wrong advice from the table that's provided?

I think the crux of the problem is: we aren't trying to find the most accurate or most academic or most optimal system; we're trying to find the system that helps the most people get the pronunciation right, if they're curious about it. That's why I proposed Jyutping first, and IPA (with ph th kh p t k) second. The /b d g/ /p t k/ system is confusing and will simply lead to chaos. At least Hanyu Pinyin doesn't claim to be IPA, and sets out very clearly that it has transposed /p t k/ somewhere else, and that when you see Pinyin b d g you don't actually mean IPA [b d g].

I'm not a Cantonese speaker and I don't know how to solve all of these problems... I think I'll leave it to you guys from now on. But these are my two cents. -- ran (talk) 02:01, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

It was good working with you in getting the issues with syllable rime ironed out. BTW, I notice you frequent Adam's Cantonese forums as well. You can find me there as Claw. -- Umofomia 05:27, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

HK Govt Cantonese Romanisation

Is it really largely based on Meyer Wempe? :-p — Insta ntnood 06:24 Mar 10 2005 (UTC)

Thanks :-D — Insta ntnood 21:41, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

"Mainland China" in titles

Hello. I have proposed at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) to change the title of some articles and categories. Would you be interested to join the discussion and say something? — Insta ntnood 20:32, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

We need your vote

Hi Felix. SchmuckyTheCat has recently listed category:Airports of Hong Kong and Macao on WP:CFD. We need your vote to keep the two categories. The reason was that the categories don't have much entries, and won't have much entry in the foreseeable future.

In fact, many of the subcategories of category:Airports are filled with only one article or two. To name a few, category:Airports of Aruba, Austria, the Bahamas, Bahrain, Brunei, the Cayman Islands, Kuwait, Singapore and Vanuatu. — Insta ntnood 06:56, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

Hong Kong and Macao

Hello Felix. There have been many attempts by users like Huaiwei and SchmuckyTheCat to remove Hong Kong and Macao from country listings, or to make categories of Hong Kong- or Macao- related topics subcategories of that of China, or even delete and up-merge the categories. There's also strong resistance to use the term mainland China. What do you think about these? — Insta ntnood 16:46, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

I think you are out fishing for support of your agenda. SchmuckyTheCat 23:05, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I dont think you can lump the two of us this way, and neither can you bitch about us all over the shop like this, should you? That is plain unethical.--Huaiwei 11:03, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your vote is needed!

Hello Felix. Despite the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) over the use of the terms "mainland China" and "People's Republic of China", SchmuckyTheCat and Huaiwei have listed category:Cities in mainland China, category:Companies of mainland China and category:Laws of mainland China onto Wikipedia:Categories for deletion.

Your vote is now essential and vital for the survival of these categories, and to avoid attempts to bar the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) from truly enforced. — Insta ntnood 20:39, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Both have to be done. The votes on categories serve as precedant. We have to keep the categories alive at the same time when we're reaching any consensus at naming conventions. — Insta ntnood 22:23, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Ridiculous. This is like allowing two countries to continue fighting in open warfare even as they concurrently sit down to work out a peace deal. Hardly surprising that things are not going anywhere. Seems like at least User talk:Felix Wan is making some sence and displaying much needed maturity and restraint here!--Huaiwei 22:50, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Felix. — Insta ntnood 23:27, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Update: there's also a poll at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). — Insta ntnood 01:03, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

radio show on Wikipedia

Hi Felix

My name is Robin Amer and I’m a producer for an American public radio show called Open Source, which you can check out at www.radioopensource.org.

I’m writing you because this week we’re doing a show on Wikipedia including an interview with Jim Wales. We’re also looking for some particularly passionate and interesting Wikipedia users to talk to, especially users outside the US. I would love to talk to you about your involvement with the site. If you are interested, please give me a call at 617-497-8096, or email me at robinamer@riseup.net and send me your phone number.

Thanks so much.

Best, Robin Amer www.radioopensource.org

Vitasoy

Hi there! I've been writing this article for some time, and now it turns out to be a pretty long entry from nearly nothing! Hope you can drop me some comment, and, if possible, make any improvement as you wish. You may also add some more infomation about Vitasoy in the US, the place where you're living at present.

Thanks for your attention. Jerry Crimson Mann 21:41, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Interested in an L.A.-area Wiki meetup?

It appears as though L.A. has never had a Wiki meetup. Would you be interested in attending such an event? If so, checkout User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup

- Eric 16:16, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User categorisation

Greetings, Felix Wan! Please accept this message as an invitation to categorise your user page in the category Category:Chinese Wikipedians overseas and removing your name from the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/China#Overseas page. The page will be deleted when all users have been removed. Even if you do not wish to be placed in a category, could you take a moment to remove your name from the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/China#Overseas page? Thanks!!

To add your name to the category, please use the tag [[Category:Chinese Wikipedians overseas|Felix Wan]] to ensure proper sorting.

For more information, please see Wikipedia:User categorisation and Category:Wikipedians by location. --Miborovsky 03:04, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nihao

Hi! I'm a student in Fudan University in Shanghai. Could I become one of your wikifriends?--Anthony Aragorn Gao 16:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

喂?

你好!你在香港長大呀? 請問你現在住在LA的哪一區呢?我有一些導師們也是住在LA。我也有好多香港朋友。--Vajrabell 04:34, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hello! i am an ex-boardmate of 3home's 3talk.christianity, 你係咪以前3home基版既felix wan呢?? --218.102.102.144 11:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo Wales to Attend San Diego Meetup on October 18 2005

Hello, Jimbo Wales will be in San Diego to attend OOPSLA and has agreed to come by and visit with the San Diego wikipedians. If you are interested, you will find more info on my talk page. Johntex\^talk 00:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Junk food

[1] I've created the above-mentioned category. Please add any items to this category if necessary. --202.40.210.244 05:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review/Yuan (surname)

If you have a minute, could you take a look at the article Yuan (surname) - I've put it up for peer review (see Wikipedia:Peer review/Yuan (surname)). I hope to make it a model for expanding other Chinese surname articles. Since you've contributed to the Chinese surname article, I would really appreciate your suggestions. Yu Ninjie 21:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]