User talk:JzG

Discretionary sanctions

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Smelling pistakes

In addition to bone-deep burn scars on my left hand I now also have C7 radiculopathy, so my typing is particularly erratic right now. I have a spellcheck plugin but it can't handle larger text blocks. You're welcome to fix spelling errors without pinging me, but please don't change British to American spelling or indeed vice-versa.

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Merry Christmas!!

Hey Guy, thanks for all you do on Wikipedia, and for all your help at BLPN. My you have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year. (and if you don't celebrate Christmas please feel free to take that as a Happy Hanukkah, a great Dhanu Sankranti, a blessed Hatsumode, or whatever holiday you want to insert there.) Zaereth (talk) 08:55, 25 December 2019 (UTC

Link to a mondo film

Seriously? You do realize this is 2020, right? - Manifestation (talk) 18:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Manifestation, oh, did they change copyright law in 2019 then? Guy (help!) 18:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. I wish they did. Literally no one cares about the copyright of a Japanese mondo film from 1993. The old copyright rules are so out of step with the ideas of the internet. - Manifestation (talk) 20:20, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Manifestation, not going to disagree. Guy (help!) 23:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

A small experiment

Hi JzG,

Would you mind helping me conduct a small experiment, please? Based on your edit history, it appears that you have little to no interest in motorsport. I'd like to show you an excerpt from a source and ask your opinion of it:

In order to give consistent identity to drivers and assist with promotion, Priority 1 drivers will be free to choose their permanent car number from 2019, except number 1, which will always be reserved for the reigning World Rally Champion.

In your own words, could you please tell me what you think this means and what conclusions you think anybody who reads this might draw from it? For context, a "Priority 1 driver" is a competitor at the top level of the sport.

I know it's an odd request, but it will help me a lot with something. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 10:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Mclarenfan17, it means the driver has a consistent number year to year unless they are champion in which case they get number 1 and presumably their usual number is not issued. Guy (help!) 11:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that. And yes, that's precisely what it means. I'm currently trying to deal with an editor who claims that this source and three others (which are less obtuse in their wording) are too vague; that because the phrase "permanent numbers" is never defined, readers cannot know what it means. It's likely to go to Arbitration because I think he's hounding me and he has a bad habit of wiki-laywering and misrepresenting things. That you have so deftly identified the meaning of the source will help me build my case if it goes to Arbitration (though I won't mention you by name; there's no need to drag others into it). Mclarenfan17 (talk) 11:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Mclarenfan17, seems clear enough to me - but it's not true that I have little to no interest in motorsport, just not in current motorsport because it's boring. I was a big BTCC fan in the 80s and was an F1 fan too - I met that Murray Walker once, at Sammy Miller's museum in Southampton. But these days my taste runs to Drivetribe, HubNut and the legendary Project Binky. Guy (help!) 11:31, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying that, though I don't think it will be a problem. The intended meaning of the source is pretty clear, so it should be easy to demonstrate that this editor is being deliberately disruptive. He has managed to drag a discussion about car numbers out for six weeks.

I do agree that most modern motorsport is boring, but not rallying. I spent most of my childhood in the forests of New South Wales watching rally cars go past. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 11:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

PS: I read your politics page and thought it was fascinating and very well-written. I only wish I had read it six months ago, before I inherited a politics class from one of the rusted-on right-wing people you describe. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 11:43, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Mclarenfan17, Oberon area? my e-chum Peter Bowditch has driven those rallies and still photographs and reports on them. Guy (help!) 11:45, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Most of the rallies I went to—the ones I remember, anyway—were around the South Coast, but when I was very young and still an only child, we went further afield. So I may well have been in a state forest somewhere outside Oberon at some point. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 11:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

ANI close

Hi JzG, Hope you're well,
Just wondering could you possible close Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Davey2010_uncivil_and_rude for me please, An editor has taken it upon themselves to correct my English and so figured it'd be best to have it closed before an edit war starts,
Many thanks, Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 11:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution

Guy, I would like to alert you to a complaint I have put to the Wikipedia Dispute Resolution team concerning your editing the article relating to "Conspiracy Theories relating to the Trump-Ukraine Scandal." I am advised by that webpage to notify you, so I do that here. The issues I raised relate to the entire article and to your policies as editor of it, the language employed by you or allowed into it from others which is already prejudicial and lacking NPOV, the exclusion of all sources embodying conservative or right-wing views contrary to your own in this already clearly political matter involving both right- and left-wing groups and parties, etc., etc., etc., and your indifference to facts per se already in the public sphere and known to all when they contradict your own even if they come from mainstream media sources you otherwise acknowledge and use. 122.111.212.235 (talk) 08:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

122.111.212.235, please provide a link to that DR request, and please register an account. Your editing history does not include any links to that DR request, so who are you? You're not supposed to edit from more than one account. -- BullRangifer (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

BullRangifer, who are you? My message was to Guy. He has answered neither this post nor posted anything so far in my own User page. However, I did go back this morning to check the "Conspiracy ..." Talk page discussion, and noticed your comment there too. Thank you for making it. After seeing it, I went to the Dispute Resolution page and to my surprise found nothing there from me. I had completed all the required steps filling out the complaint, "Submit" included, as well as the notification of the other disputant, Guy, so the absence of my request on the DR page is inexplicable to me. Perhaps I missed a further step in the submission process, I don't know. Or it may be that because I phrased this as a request for an administrator editor to have a read of the article for NPOV and determine if a complete rewrite was needed, and indicated that I did not want to engage in a drawn-out dispute personally, the request was either transferred to another dispute panel or rejected en toto. I think the article, and Guy's comments and responses on the Talk Page, speak for themselves. They do not need my continued depressing and almost certainly pointless waste of time. For such I consider it. If Wikipedia as an institution allows such blatantly POV editing as we see in this article, that is their affair. One other thing: Wikipedia obviously tries to facilitate correction of disputes through its elaborate administrative apparatus. That is entirely to its credit. But it clearly fails to work with full effectiveness, due to the predelictions of editors predominating in the administrative functions, as the discussions on the DR page itself show, nevermind the blatantly slanted articles still in Wikipedia. But as a newcomer to all this, I also find the labyrinth confusing and unclear. Maybe I should have put my complaint to the NPOV board? The Third Editor (or whatever it was called) board? The Article Delete board? Or on any other of the many options and categories of disputes listed? As for who am I, I am just a sometime reader, not a full-time editor of Wikipedia, and that is the way I want to keep it. You suggest that I "register an account." What does that mean and why should I do so? My Talk page is sufficient. 122.111.212.235 (talk) 01:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Your Speedy deletion of Climate Forecast Applications Network

I believe the reason given [1] is completely bogus, but as suggested (but not completely applicable because there was NO discussion), I will "Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision."[2]. Another interested editor discussed notability on the talk page, and asked how they could help improve the article, but did not express any concern about spam/ad/promotion. Please correct your mistake and restore the article asap. Thanks. -- Yae4 (talk) 23:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Yae4, please don't write advertorial on Wikipedia. Guy (help!) 23:32, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for Climate Forecast Applications Network

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Climate Forecast Applications Network. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Yae4 (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Yae4 (talk) 05:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)