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Signing the unsigned mass posting from June[edit]

Can someone with AWB or some other tool, go around and datestamp the unsigned mass posting [1] made in June 2015 by Another Believer (talk · contribs) ? There are tens or hundreds of WikiProjects that were mass posted to, but all those with automated archival cannot archive that section because it doesn't have a datestamp. This problem can be seen at WT:SPORTS[2], where successive archivebot runs fail to archive this mass posting an event that has since expired. Newer sections have already been archived, yet this message remains [3][4][5]. This occurs in several WikiProjects, so all should have datestamps attached that haven't already had datestamps added or been manually archived or deleted.

-- (talk) 08:23, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

You may try WP:BOTREQUEST as I think would AWB would be terrible since I couldn't see the actual time and date for each post and would have to manually put it in. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
There's no need to have the actual time and date for each post. You could paste the same timestamp into each of them. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Yearly appeal[edit]

I got an email this morning, supposedly from Jimmy Wales, asking for a donation.

My email client highlighted it as a possible scam, presumable because links that superficially appeared to go to actually direct to

However, the email addressed me by name and knew how much I donated last year.

On the other hand, there is nothing on the front page about the appeal.

If this is a scam, there needs to be a prominent warning on the front page.

If it isn't a scam there needs to be something obvious on the front page to show that the yearly appeal is in progress. PRL42 (talk) 10:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Based on phab:T114010 this seems authentic, but in my opinion a very bad idea likely to deter donors. Does it really appear to go to or do you mean The former redirects but would create extra confusion for donors. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
It goes to I have now ascertained that this is, indeed, genuine, because the ultimate donation page has the same initial url :"". (It varies after that because there is referrer information for either email or direct access.) It really should not have been sent unless/until there is front page confirmation that the appeal is taking place. And a far better scheme would be if the email simply asked you to go to wikipedia (without a link) and follow donation links from there. PRL42 (talk) 13:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I've left a note on the phab page about this, it seems they've been aware the domain is an issue for a while. Sam Walton (talk) 13:17, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for reporting this, PRL42, and Sam Walton for the ping on phab. It is a priority for us to get this fixed as soon as possible as the full December campaign is just around the corner. If you don't mind my asking, can you tell me what email client you use? Thanks again --CCogdill (WMF) (talk) 13:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I use Thunderbird. I presume it's the link that appears as "" that is causing the problem because Thunderbird can see that something that is displaying as a URL does not go (directly) to the displayed site. PRL42 (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. We'll follow up, and are hoping to have a fix for the domain issue within a couple of weeks.--CCogdill (WMF) (talk) 11:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[edit]

This very very very very inappropriate behavior there. I was blocked merely because of my nationality. I just cleaned up my talk page and that was a reason for a block. Note that there was a Serbo-Croatian war during the 1990s. But there is no reason for this kind of nationalistic behavior.

As you can see here this admin user on hr wiki is harassing me because of the nationality. Whom should I ask for help? Alex (talk) 16:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

  • They deactivated their ArbCom ~5 years ago, so I think your best options are either (a) contact the blocking admin or (b) try to get a message to their version of WP:AN/I. This isn't something we can address here. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Alex, Croatian Wiki has a history of severe dysfunction, and the broader community had to step in with extraordinary steps to revoke abusive admins and their checkuser. The meta discussion can be seen m:Requests_for_comment/2013_issues_on_Croatian_Wikipedia. It's also covered in our article on Croatian Wikipedia. I do not know whether the Croatian administrator community has recovered, or whether it continues to be dysfunctional. The first step is to carefully examine the reason given for your block, carefully examine the Wiki policies to see if there is any remotely reasonable basis for it. If not, then there should be some process in place to request that the block be reviewed by other administrators. If that fails, you probably just have to wait out the block. There is one more possibility, but I do not list it lightly. I do not know what is going on at Croatian wiki. *IF* you do an extensive investigation, *IF* you find substantial solid evidence of systematic abuses, it may be possible to open a new process at meta resembling m:Requests_for_comment/2013_issues_on_Croatian_Wikipedia. That would involve a lot of work, evidence of systematic abuses and dysfunction. Your block is a "local matter" and we can't directly intervene on that. The only outside intervention would be if the adminship of the wiki as a whole were (again) shown to be grossly dysfunctional. Alsee (talk) 19:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, I see. I was pretty abused by an admin, Kubura. When I told him that I didn't like the tone he was talking to me, he said that I was violating some nonexistent rule. And when I deleted that "message" I was blocked for a month. Every single edit that I made was monitored for typing mistakes, and when I said I don't want to get any more messages, they didn't care... Alex (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Alsee, and for example their "rule" says "no nationality symbols", and their front page has Ustaše logo. I don't know about you, but I think that's horrible. Alex (talk) 23:47, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Are you talking about the little bubble icon with the red and white checkerboard, about 1 cm in diameter at the top of the page? I suppose that readers familiar with Croatia might associate "chequy Argent and Gules" with the Coat of arms of Croatia, but I'm not really sure why you say that it is both the symbol of a fascist movement from the 1930s and 1940s and an nationality symbol. Or perhaps you were talking about some other item on the main page? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:53, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
The problem is that Coat of Arms is a washed out nazi movement symbol, chosen by hard line nationalist Tudjman, who prosecuted more than 200,000 people from Croatia. Vs6 507 04:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Is there a possibility to ask for help or start a discussion of the problems at hr.wikipedia over at meta? I noticed that there's This discussion on Meta about similar problems at a different Wikipedia. Perhaps they could help you there? This is the main page to start discussions on cross-wiki issues. --Jayron32 19:03, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Notice of RFC regarding List of massacres in Yugoslavia[edit]

RFC located here. Quis separabit? 16:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I have taken down the RFC template. The question was extremely unclear and non-neutral. It would easily be challenged and invalidated on that basis as soon as the opposing-side saw it. I pointed the editor to instructions at WP:Writing_requests_for_comment. I invited them to start a new and improved RFC, hopefully with agreement from both sides on what the question would be. P.S. The article is under full protection. Alsee (talk) 18:42, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Redirects belonging to Category:Redirects from synonyms[edit]

Many of them should be moved to Category:Redirects from alternative scientific names, since they are not linguistic synonyms but taxonomic synonyms, e.g. Arctus pygmaeus, and the alternative scientific name category refers to taxonomic synonyms. I want to move these redirects to the taxonomic synonym category, but I can't do this without your help because they are too many and I don't have much time, so please help me.--RekishiEJ (talk) 08:53, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Should the heavy metal music article include a band image in the infobox[edit]

There is an RfC on whether the heavy metal music article should include an image of a metal band in the infobox. Please contribute your views at the RfC located here.OnBeyondZebraxTALK 15:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

What happened to the WikiProject brochures[edit]

A lot of work went into creating brochures about various WikiProjects for Wikimania 2014, then they disappeared. I think the brochures should be available to be used by the projects for other promotional occasions - using them only once is a waste of effort. Where are the brochures now and what needs to be done to make them available for reuse by the respective projects? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Are you looking for User:EdSaperia's work? See c:Category:Wikimania 2014 leaflets for some. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Anti-Israel Boycott - Roger Waters in Eagles of Death Metal article[edit]

Notice of RfC on Eagles of Death Metal talk page:  :

Is the conflict between Eagles and Death Metal and and the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) activists (eg Roger Waters) over their performances in Israel, and the band's strong public confrontational statements against BDS and support for Israel relevant. and should be mentioned in the history section? Should the following below be added to this article? prepared by --Moxy (talk) 19:54, 20 November 2015 (UTC) as per Ronreisman previous attempt in wrong location

The band performed at the Barby Club in Tel Aviv, Israel, in spite of pressure from anti-Israeli Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) activists. Roger Waters sent a letter to the band which reportedly demanded that they boycott Israel. Hughes publicly commented on Waters' letter at the Tel Aviv concert, saying "I would never boycott a place like this ... You know what I wrote back? Two words ... Never waste your time worrying about what an asshole thinks about you.” Hughes repeated the obvious two-word profanity to the cheering crowd. During the show he said “I’ve never felt more at home in my life”

"Concert review: The Eagles of Death Metal". Jerusalem Post. Retrieved July 12, 2015.

"Paris attacks: Eagles of Death Metal defied pro-Palestine boycott movement and Roger Waters to play Israel". Retrieved November 20, 2015.

Jesse Hughes, Eagles Of Death Metal Tell BDS And Roger Waters Where To Go, Israel July 12th" youtube.

— User:Ronreisman

Previous talks can bee seen above at Talk:Eagles of Death Metal#Threats to bataclan wording and at Talk:Roger Waters#Conflict with VIctims of November 2015 Paris attacks

Ronreisman (talk) 16:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I took the liberty of correcting the links in the above post Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:06, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Piloting TWL WP:Research help for Select Articles[edit]

Hey all, I wanted to inform everyone of two discussions with WikiProject Military history and WikiProject Med, about piloting links to WP:Research help in articles, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Images of skulls on talk pages about recent fatal events[edit]

{{WikiProject Death}} features two different images of human skulls, one a photograph. Is it acceptable for such images to be posted on the talk pages of articles on recent massacres such as the Paris shootings, fatal aircraft cashes or other violent deaths? Please discuss, at Template talk:WikiProject Death#Images. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Maybe a scythe? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC).

Non-primary source needed[edit]

In the section Space_flight_simulator_game#Trade_Wars, why is there a "non-primary source needed" tag after the bit about games being influenced by Trade Wars? Isn't a quote by a developer exactly the type of thing you want? SharkD  Talk  00:14, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

It's not really quite the right tag, but it's probably close enough: The problem isn't so much that they're PRIMARY, but that, being a wiki, is a self-published source and per BLPSPS, "Never use self-published sources – including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets – as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject (see below). ... Living persons may publish material about themselves, such as through press releases or personal websites. Such material may be used as a source only if: ... it does not involve claims about third parties ..." Making claims that the developers listed were influenced is making claims about third parties and thus prohibited by BLPSPS. Since some of the quotes are attributed at, some of them might be able to be used directly using the attributed sources, but a quick glance at them makes me concerned that many, if not most or all, of them are not reliable sources, but that's just on first blush. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 00:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I hope it's okay, but I moved the discussion here. I should have posted there in the first place. SharkD  Talk  01:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Eyes needed[edit]

2015 Minneapolis shooting needs eyes to keep it NPOV. I removed the worst, but it still needs work. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:17, 27 November 2015 (UTC).

Research proposal needs community review and approval[edit]

Dear Wikipedians,

(Please let us know if we need to post this in a different section of the Village Pump. I will move it there.)

I am a computer science PhD student at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities. We are working on a project in which we plan to invite some Wikipedia editors to complete a survey. We will describe the overview of the research proposal and invite you to review and approve. Thanks for your tremendous help!

Project overview: The project focuses on identifying the main article and sub article relationship in a purpose of better serving the Wikipedia article structure. (For example, main article:United States and sub-article History of the United States). Accordingly to the definition of {Main} Template, "(w)hen a Wikipedia article is large, it is often written in summary style. This template is used after the heading of the summary, to link to the subtopic article that has been summarized." However, the use of the {main} template is not well executed and contains a lot of misclassification. This relationship is important for artificial intelligent system that uses concept level Wikipedia content and for reducing the language barrier on multilingual wikipedia.

Survey overview: The purpose of the survey is to understand editor's understanding of the main/sub article relationship and their decision criteria when they create sub-articles. We want to recruit 30 editors to fill out an online survey, which can be completed in about 5 mins.

Participant: We want to recruit a mixture of editors who have created main/sub-article relationship (expert) and who haven't done so. We will identify the expert by mining the edit history of the article that contains correct use of the Template{Main}.

Recruiting method: We will leave message in the editors' user talk page.The message will include greeting, brief introduction of this study, appreciation and link to the survey.

We will make sure we contact the editors and conduct the survey in a respectful manner to the Wikipedian and the community. Please feel free to let us know if you have any concerns!

Thanks Allen Lin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheetah90 (talkcontribs) 22:01, 27 November 2015 (UTC)