User talk:NBGPWS

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1. August 2006 – September 2006

I took your help box

and put it on my home page. Thanks and I hope you dont mind.Jasper23 05:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey NBGPWS

I know you must be upset by the happenings on the ACLU page. What can I say? I cant blame you? However, now is the time to let the dust settle. Further antagonism on the talk page can only lead more conflict. We further our own goals by acting in a civil and polite manner. From now on, lets try to respond to commentary and not create our own. I think this will help us in trying to improve the ACLU page. Stepping back helps us prevail in the long run. We should prove beyond all doubt that we are the responsible party in this matter. Jasper23 03:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I will see how Scribner responds. He already refused to address the bogus 9.5 Million dollar claim, but added it back into the article. He also keeps repeatedly deleting my well sourced and documented 'religious liberties' section. He also has accused you and me of being sock puppets. I'm having a hard time AGF in light of his actions. NBGPWS 03:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I totally understand. I would be mad too but I came in right in the middle of your edit war. Lets be respectfull civil and kind, but lets also never give up. Eventually people will take notice and we will be able to make the article less pov. In wikipedia, how you say something is more important than what you say and as important as what you do. Let the other editors be mad at themselves. Also, imagine if I was your sockpuppet. This would be the weirdest conversation. Jasper23 03:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I only got here a couple days ago. Scribner immediately started any 'war' that exists. He thinks he owns this article. NBGPWS 03:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand. Let's let it go for tonight. We can take another stab at it tomorrow. What do you think? Jasper23 04:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I won't edit anymore tonight unless he reverts the article. I'll won't add to the talk page except to counter any false charges either. Hopefully, he'll cool down, especially after he finds out that his paranoia about sockpuppety was unfounded. Nite! NBGPWS 04:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

That is exactly what I plan on doing. Yeah, that sockpuppet thing is pretty funny. Jasper23 04:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Archives

I've fixed your archiving for you, and given you the above archive box. It makes everything easier. Ryūlóng 06:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, sir or maam! You're a scholar and a gentleperson! NBGPWS 06:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

AGF

Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please stop being uncivil to your fellow editors, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you. --Tbeatty 08:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Civility warning

Please stop your disruptive behaviour, or you may be blocked for a longer period. We invite you to contribute constructively, but will not tolerate your continuous personal attacks. —Xyrael / 16:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia.

The above unsigned template was added by Ruthfulbarbarity NBGPWS 22:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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Notice to Ruthfulbarbarity

NOTICE TO USER: Ruthfulbarbarity In light of our past history, I may consider any and all personal posts from you on this page an unwelcome attempt to harass and/or bait me, thus possibly constituting vandalism and spam. You may post unmodified Wiki policy Templates. Any comments or inappropriate warning templates may be removed at my discretion.

'Talk page vandalism'

Deleting the comments of other users from article Talk pages, aside from removal of internal spam, or deleting entire sections of talk pages, is generally considered vandalism. Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate, and it is considered acceptable to archive an overly long Talk page to a separate file and then remove the text from the main Talk page. The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion... NBGPWS 04:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Deleting other's comments

'Talk page vandalism'

Deleting the comments of other users from article Talk pages, aside from removal of internal spam, or deleting entire sections of talk pages, is generally considered vandalism. Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate, and it is considered acceptable to archive an overly long Talk page to a separate file and then remove the text from the main Talk page. The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion...--Tbeatty 01:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate NBGPWS 02:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Bush as Hitler

You have recently re-created the article Bush as Hitler, which was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies. Please do not re-create the article. If you disagree with the article's deletion, you may ask for a deletion review. --ArmadilloFromHell 04:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Ooops too late! It's a valid topic. Check the link for dozens of citable refs. NBGPWS 04:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Philip Gronowski ^Contribs 05:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It was unintentional. People were deleting the article without notifying me. I'll take it to the deletion board before recreating it again though! NBGPWS 05:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Please realize that this is an encyclopedia, not a place for you to post your personal opinions, nor those of other people. User:Zoe|(talk) 05:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not my opinion! It's a valid wordwide phenomena! Check out the link please Bush = Hitler NBGPWS 05:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you had in mind with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bush as Hitler - but it is not the way things are done. --ArmadilloFromHell 05:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Did I put in the right place in the Oct 22 deletion log? Maybe a different title would help. NBGPWS 05:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Since the article has been speedy deleted Wikipedia:Speedy deletions and blocked from recreation, that page serves no purpose, since there is no article for anyone to look at and discuss. Pages in that section are only for AfD deletions Wikipedia:Articles for deletion --ArmadilloFromHell 05:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Where can I discuss the proposed/deleted article? Please visit this link and then tell me that it's not a valid phenomenon! Bush as Hitler Thanks NBGPWS 05:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys - read THIS:

• Overturn see how it fares at AfD, but G1 is clear that even partisan screeds aren't speediable. ~ trialsanderrors 06:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Oct 22

• However copyright violations are, and this was almost nothing but a quote. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Please undelete my article! Thanks NBGPWS 08:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

How about having an article 'people compared to hitler' as its hardly an allegation unique to Pres. Bush. Damburger 17:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

People compared to hitler would get fast deleted for the same reason that Bush as Hitler would, unsubstantiated opinions and flaimbait. Any article for "people compared to hitler" should quite simply re-direct to hitler himself. Piuro 19:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I think Hitler comparisons are notable enough for mention, but too trivial for the article on Hitler himself (I have the feeling theres some more important issues that should focus on...). It wouldn't be partisan because a large portion of the people compared to Hitler have also compared their political opponents to Hitler. Its a classic cheapshot, which should also be mentioned. Damburger 00:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Like you said, it is a classic cheapshot. Almost nobody who is compared to Hitler warrants the comparison, and even then, it is nothing more then unsubstantiated opinion. Now were someone a neo-nazi on a crusade against the Jews, then I might see a reason for a mention in a comparison article, but if we're going to break wiki down to covering articles of who petty insults are directed at then things are just going to get silly. Piuro 02:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

DRV

The consensus on DRV supports the actions of me and other administrators who deleted your article. Is there anything else we can assist with? I'd be more than willing to help explain further if there's still any confusion about the 'why' of it. Regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 21:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes - Please suggest a neutral way of naming this important topic so it doesn't get deleted. As the link proves, it's a documented wordwide phenomenon. After more thought, I agree it shouldn't just be limited to Bush. Some on the right are fond of calling Senator Clinton "Hitlery", and some compared President Clinton to Hitler.

The Gallery of "Bush = Hitler" Allusions

There is a Wiki page on PETA's holocaust comparsion. This is even more important. PETA's Holocaust Ads Thanks NBGPWS 03:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

User:GabrielF/911TMCruft

I'd strongly encourage you to take your thoughts to WP:MFD instead of edit warring; probably better for everyone involved. Luna Santin 04:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked you for 24 hours, for 3rr violations related to this dispute. Please reconsider disruptive, WP:POINT sorts of things in the future. Thanks. Luna Santin 07:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

OK - no problem. Please have some admins check into the deletionists schemes. I'd willingly accept a 30 day block if we could weed out these malicious POV pushers! NBGPWS 07:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

In case you don't know, you've been listed on WP:AN/3RR for over an hour. I would consider being more civil; it seems to mention on WP:3RR that although users do not own their own subpages, their user space is "theirs" for project-related purposes only, and users can thus decide against other users over what content can go in their own user space. Tuxide 07:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Didn't see it till too late. Thanks though. NBGPWS 07:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

24 hour block

On the one hand, this is a 3RR violation, and probably a WP:POINT problem. When I suggested a more productive means of resolving the dispute -- namely, MfD -- I was ignored in favor of continued disruption. On the other hand, it's out of article space. I'm not opposed if anyone cares to review this, but for the time being I've given NBGPWS a 24 hour block for continued disruption and edit warring. Luna Santin 07:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Tbeatty and GabrielF are part of the deletionists who AfD for 'fun' and purely out of politics.

• Comment :Comments from the deletionists:

• 04:22, 5 October 2006 Aaron (Talk | contribs) (noting no more AfDs)
• 04:21, 5 October 2006 Aaron (Talk | contribs) (all gone! now what will we do for fun?)

Deletion Squad History What an outrageous misuse of the AfD process! Deleting articles 'for fun'. NBGPWS 05:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The 911cruft page is a PUBLIC page, and I cited WP saying so.

in general, if you have material that you do not wish for others to edit, or that is otherwise inappropriate for Wikipedia, it should be placed on a personal web site.

They are just upset that their schemes have been made public, and deleted anything I posted to that page. Tbeatty edits my comments ALL the time. Take a look at HIS history! tbeatty's history These POV deletionists are RUNNING rampant over Wiki, and you better get a handle on them. You can ban me for all I care. Conservative POV pushers are making this place nearly worthless to research ANYTHING related to American politics, and then they actually even go back to their far right-wing sites and BRAG about how they 'got over' on the Commies who run Wikipedia. NBGPWS 07:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)