User talk:NadirAli

Welcome

Hello, NadirAli, and welcome to Wikipedia! I am Deepu Joseph. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK}

Re:How do I post edited Articles.

I'm not exactly sure, but you have contributed to a few articles as seen here. Your edits are indeed being saved. I'm guessing that perhaps instead of clicking the "save page" button below, you might have clicked the "show preview" button? Is there any special article on which your edits were not saved? Did you check the article's history (by clicking the history button on top)? Perhaps someone must have reverted your edits. Please let me know. -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}

Your posting to the Village Pump (proposals) page

Hi Nadirali,

Thanks for your posting about Star Trek and Star Wars to the Village Pump (porposals) page. Unfortunately the page you posted to is not an appropriate place for discussing the content of these articles. Please bring up your concerns on the articles' talk pages (i.e. Talk:Star Wars and Talk:Star Trek) instead. Also, when you add a message to any talk page, please sign your comment by putting ~~~~ (that's four tilde characters) at the end; this automatically gets expanded to your signature and a timestamp. Thanks, Gwernol 15:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars articles

Please stop changing the category titles for the Star Wars films from "science fantasy" to "science fiction". Lucas has stated in many interviews that the films are not science fiction and this has been accepted in recent years by the general media. Sources for some of these can be found in the A New Hope article. Thank you. The Filmaker 18:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please, the fact of Star Wars "science fantasy" category has been voted through on a number of FACs regarding the prequel trilogy. All prequel trilogy films are now featured articles, they are considered to be the best on Wikipedia. If you wish to dispute the category, do so in the talk page of one of the films instead of simply changing the article to your liking. On Wikipedia we work by consensus, and the majority of editors believe that Star Wars is "science fantasy". However, if you have suitable reasoning as to why it should be changed, please state it in the talk page and we may agree with you. Thank you. The Filmaker 15:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Dont forget to add Saudi Arabia's flag

Thank you for contacting. I have been to Saudi Arabia. You are absolutely right about ‎their behavior with Pakistanis. Personally, I think all Islamic scripts should be removed ‎from all the flags like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. And OIC could ‎pressurize them. When someone desecrates these flags, Islamic scripts on them are also ‎desecrated.‎ Szhaider 16:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Your Star Trek concerns

Sir, I have read and noted your concerns on the Star Trek main article talk page. I am not going to call you a "moron" outright, although I may just question your motives in this case. This is not a reflection on your intelligence nor your capacity for rational thought (which it would be if I did call you a moron), but rather a rebuke against your provocative statements on that talk page which are clearly calculated to incite.

Star Trek is science fiction because it involves a narrative setting which differs from the present-day real world in terms of technology and futurology. The futurology aspect is "scientific" because the narrative specifically invokes scientific advances and discoveries as the motive force behind the development of society to the state seen in the stories. That is, economic and religious factors are negligible or absent factors in the narrated future as depicted in Star Trek; the characters do the things they do because they have more advanced scientific and technological knowledges, resources and tools than we do in this present day. This is axiomatically "science fiction".

You have - fairly, in my opinion - cited examples of storylines and narrative events which appear to have no scientific basis, eg Charlie Evans. However those things, whilst better classified as fantasy in their own right, do not alter the classification of the whole as science fiction. The characters in the episode Charlie X travel in a starship and do many other things which are science-based fiction.

You provocatively cite something which clearly irritates you personally, being the outrageous claim of Trekkies that the cell phone was invented thanks to Star Trek. Bringing up this one example - which is refutable by simply pointing to Get Smart or to Dick Tracy - diminishes your attempt to puncture Star Trek's scientific credentials, because you specifically failed to refute it. You merely trashed it, which is not a valid argument. It is well documented that the scientists and inventors of today have found inspiration in the fiction of the past, of which Star Trek is a part. The enthusiasm of Trekkies to promote the importance of their own in this process is perfectly understandable, and should not cause you any unease. If you don't agree with such fan statements, then good for you. I also think the importance of Star Trek in the development of late-20th century technology is overstated - the Apollo Program had many times the degree of influence.

I am disturbed by this statement of yours -

“ Forget I even asked.I came looking for answers(I even pleaded for answers only) not discussions.And both times I got lectures.So forget I even asked since I probably won;t find the answers i seek ”

- because your frustration (at being unable to engage Star Trek fans in a debate) clearly blinded you to the fact that you were the first to give a lecture. If you wanted answers, you should have asked a short and constructive question instead of sprinkling your lecture with merely rhetorical questions. "Where's the science in that?" is not a question seeking information, it is a rebuke phrased as a question and will usually not encourage meanignful answers.

This statement was buried in your lecture: I'd like someone to answer what Star Trek has to do with science at all. I conclude here by saying, I hope you now have a good answer, and that you can live with it. Darcyj 13:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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It was not my intention at all to provoke any Trekkies or to trash Star Trek in any way.(The only trashing it deserves is it is exagerrating the "science" in it or better "abusing scientific terms and concepts" as Dr Micheal Wong puts it.).I only provided a long list of examples,so my point is understood better and not rebuffed as a "lecture". True,Star Trek may have science in it but the magical elements are too significant to go unnoticed,(as I stated almost every episode and not just charlie X has it)which is why it should be classified as science fiction/fantasy. The "unease" that I have is that people(especially gullable people) who are not too well educated in science and mathamatics will start precieving Star Trek to be reality as Trekkies always promote it to be.I believed all this much before I even stumbled accross Dr Wong's page.(Whom by the way has recieved death threats and threats of injuries from Trekkies for the things he proves). I never said Trekkies are not allowed to promote their enthusiasm.Trekkies can call themselves Hitler lovers for all I care.But crossing the line is where they try to impose their beliefs that Star Trek is "science" or "the future"(thus misguiding people) or that "Star Trek rocks compared to Star Wars"(That's a POV by the way).Give me a break. Please you spelled meaningful as meanignful.So before checking others' minor spelling mistakes,please check your own.Nadirali 00:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali (just erase my statement from the Star Trek talk page if it still "disturbs" you)Thanks.

Deleting from your own talk page

That is not true. Please take a look here. Thank you. --Ragib 01:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks a lot for your message. You are free to edit any page, however, discussing major edits is always a good idea. As for your talk page, it is better to archive talk page contents. See WP:ARCHIVE to learn how to do that. After archiving talk page contents, you can remove old messages from your talk page.

Welcome back, and I hope you will have a productive time in Wikipedia. Thanks. --Ragib 01:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:supporting the removal of the refferences of the Indus

Thank you very much. Just what I expected from you. Thanks again. Szhaider 18:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re

Regarding this message, I'm a bit confused. I haven't posted any message to you about this. If you were referring to this message, note that it wasn't on your talk page, and wasn't directed to you. Thanks. --Ragib 05:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm too busy to go through the messages between Kumarnator and you, but a great way of stopping someone from messaging you is to *not respond to it*. Of course, if it is related to editing in an article, responding to it is recommended, but if you feel someone is sending you a message without any purpose, the best way is to refrain from responding to it. Thanks. --Ragib 04:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

you seem to be confused....

It seems that you are basing your "facts" on only geographic techinicalities.....For example the Assyrians came form the Arab Penisiula, but they are not Arab.....Just because some of the Indus may have sretched over pakistani land( which is rightfully indian) it doesnt mean that the indus is "home" to pakistan, it just means that the INDUS encompassed some land that many years later, in 1947, to be accurate shifted away and created some new country( pakistan). Secondally, you have mentioned that I used the word "pussy", to atleast 3 users. As usual, this was a Dr spin from you to try and make me look like some evil, stupid maniac!!! Though the people can see through you!!!Wow I didn't know "the people" have X-ray vision like Superman!!!-LOL74.98.241.189 04:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali Get a life, you're so pathetic!!!! Kumarnator 02:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Balochistan Conflict

You may have your opinion about the issue but thats what POV is. Wikipedia is not about representing POV of Balochistan people or Pakistani Govt. We need a NPOV approach for the article and what that user has done, isn't valid according to wikipedia rules. He/she may discuss changes, try to convert an article to NPOV but can't replace it with a POV essay. Wikipedia is not about essays.voldemortuet 22:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed that wikipedia should stay neutral on the issue.However the fact is that dozens have been killed at the hands of the army and that's what needs to be put on wikipedia'Nadirali 01:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Moving a conversation to this page

Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page. Please don't post on my user talk archive page, as it doesn't become available for other users to read.

I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about your warning against the corrupting forces on Wikipedia, or about how South Asians and Arabs are conflated in many Western minds, and portrayed negatively. I really don't have any concern about your issue with corruption on Wikipedia, I just mentioned that your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade. I referred to your rhetoric as nationalistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impedance to their seeing the truth, or words to that effect. I don't have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language, and I don't have any bigotry toward South Asians (two of my very good friends are from India - one is a Gujarati Shi'ite Muslim, one is a Bengali Hindu).

Before you correct me on my statements above, let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts. Please grant me the right to be wrong, just this once.

If you want to continue conversing with me, please let's do it on your talk page. I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though, because I don't find them very interesting topics, and I definitely won't respond to anything you post on my talk pages. Thanks, Erielhonan 01:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I wont respond to this till maybe tommorrow.Got a history assignment to finish.Due Wednesday.74.98.241.189 02:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Response to Erielhonan

Allright,I'll respond to the points you have made one by one. "Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page.Please don't post on my talk archive page,as it doesnt become available for other readers to read." For your information,if I had no problem accessing your talk page and being able to see all the previous conversations that have taken place,I really don't see why another user would have a problem in finding them.

"I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything about your warning against corrupting forces on wikipedia ,or about how south asians and Arabs are conflated in western minds and portrayed negatively. Well ironically enough,I didn't know(and still don't know) why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about violating the rules. Me doing that would be a loss for me,and I personally don't see how that would harm you in anyway at all.

"I just mentioned your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade." I'm really sorry that my tone sounded like I was on a 'crusade',just as I am sorry that anyone who is involved in anti-corruption committies and happen to share the same tone as me sound that they're on a crusade.

"I referred to your rhetoric as nationlistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impendance to their seeing the truth,or words to that effect." Then by your logic,my concern about too many police officers here in Canada being white and bullying non-white teenagers(particularly black)somehow makes me a nationalist. See nationalism here or here.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism No harm in maintaining your vocabulary.

"I dont have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language,and I don't have any biogotry towards South Asians." First off,I didn't know South Asians spoke one language or shared a common culture.Feel free to edit any SA articles that mention South Asia consisting of many languages and cultures or nations.I don't remember saying you had a "bigotry" towards South Asians .I must be suffering from memory loss.I have a doctors appointment on Sunday.I'll ask him to add a check for memory loss on his check-up list.

"Before you correct me on my statements above,let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts.Please grant me the right to be wrong,just this once." Before asking others to grant you the "right to be wrong",I suggest you allow them the same right,such as allowing me to be wrong about my user page being my own.

"If you want to continue conversing with me,please let's do it on your talk page.I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though,because I don't find them very interesting topics." Actually I'm not very interested in a conversing with a person I never started talking to in the first place,but agree to limit it to my talk page if it must go on. I too,won't respond to anymore talk on my user page not being my own or deleting content from my user page,or even the subject of nationalism that I never brought up in the first place as I dont find them very interesting topics. I hope that answers everything. Nadirali 04:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Like I said, you win. I do want to point out (no need to reply here or anywhere else) that when I use the word "language" without a definite article I am referring to language as a group noun, not a count noun. For instance, "South Asian language" (referring to the languages that originate in South Asia) v. "the Gujarati language" (referring to a specific language). It's tricky I know, but it makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Also, please don't post to my talk page anymore unless it's on a completely unrelated issue (like an article we both have edited). I would like to be done with this conversation, so feel free to have your last words but please do it on this page and not on mine. Thanks. Erielhonan 06:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC) It's good to know to know the person on the right side always comes out the winner.Regards.Nadirali 16:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Advice

I suggest that you stop responding to Kumarnator. The discussions lead to nowhere other than mud-slinging and personal attacks. Thank you. --Ragib 08:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Just when I was having a good time with him.But I agree it leads to nowhere and never did.If he only stopped messaging me all the time,it would have stopped a long time ago.Nadirali 15:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Hi Nadir

Nadir thanx for message,my big brother name is also Nadir Ali. good to know that mother is sindhi i bet she is must be good mother ,well mother are always good,but being mother with sufism from roots is kinda awesome, u must be getting what i am trying to say.Lets do some thing good for mother Sindh.i offten watch some pages, i feel difficulty here,it is kinda new to me being here and working and still i have not checked ,what one user can do here and can not Do.

khalidkhoso

Dear Nadir Thanx for message again.u said i called ur mother suif? no u can read i did not call her Sufi. i said as she is sindh she is having roots in sufi-ism,wel my self i am not sufi neither but i like it's idealogy ,i am myself a sunni too but as you see peoples around you(specially in sindh,big saint like sachal,Sami,Latif Sarkar),you just start thing these are right they never hurt any one.i never seen peoples fighting in name of religion(except karachi,it is not sindhi dominated area).I belive religion is relation between you and your God and i think no buddy have right to argue you becacuse it is you and him.if that makes me sufi then ok,but i pratice as sunni wahabi. when you visited hyderabad last time? i will some more topics in indus river,i need your support becasue this time you will fight with your own peoples,beacuse as there is no water in delata of indus river,so i will add it indus river and i know many punjabi user will try to remove it as they doing in Akber Bugti page.

Regards

9 December 

No Personal Attacks

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you will be blocked for disruption. -- tariqabjotu 02:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly which "personal attacks" are you reffering to?I think you have the wrong person.Nadirali 03:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

See WP:ANI#Xenophobia. -- tariqabjotu 03:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Check this out bro

We share a lot of the same views. Please see my page and visit the forum I have linked to. Its a site dedicated to making people aware and getting them to recognise the history and identity of Pak. The Admin of the site is looking for a moderating team. If you want to, you can make that. looking forward to hear from ya. Unre4L —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unre4L (talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Sorry. Thought I posted the link. Here it is anyway. http://www.pakhub.info/ I plan on donating to admin for a domain for it next week. Unre4L

2 sides of the story need to be heard

I think you need to here form my side of the story before taking sides.Personal attacks have been launched against me by the same users who reported me along with attempting to intimidate user:Saddiqui by making threatening comments. They have also vandalized my comments once and have been trolling with there provokitive comments non-stop.They have also accussed me of being a "maddrassa student".If anyone's been trolling it's them.Nadirali 04:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

I'm not taking sides. It doesn't matter if people have been levying personal attacks against you; you still are not allowed to attack others. If people are attacking you, warn them using {{npa}}, {{npa2}}, {{npa3}}, and {{npa4}}, or {{civil1}} and {{civil2}}. -- tariqabjotu 04:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

FIne then,but give them the same warning if you stand by your claim as they too have caused violations including provokation,intimidation,personal attacks,vandalizing my comments,Anti-Muslim sentiments.They also attack me in groups.If you're going to block me,fine then just do the same to them.It's only fair.Nadirali 04:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

You must give them the same warning.

Your Comments at WP:AN/I

• It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 05:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• No Problem, really, I know better than most users on here how sometimes an argument gets really heated really quickly, sometimes before you even realize it! Regarding the flags, while I respect Free Speech, please keep in mind that your user page is not your web page, it is still a Wikipedia page. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the ongoing Userbox dispute, but that kind of applies here. While your userboxes explaining your ethnicity, citizenship, etc, do provide users with useful information about you, those flags and their corresponding heading do not. They serve merely to incite, and that's it - there is no serious useful purpose to them and they foster a poisoned environment that isn't conducive to collegiality. Anyways, I'm not going to make an issue of it, just try and be considerate of other users, I think that would solve all of your problems, including the ones that brought the dispute to AN/I in the first place! -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 06:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Seriously man, edits like these are really not helping your cause whatsoever. By antagonizing other users, especially ones with whom you are currently in a conflict with, all you're doing is convincing outside, neutral observers (such as myself) that it is you, not them, that are the main source of the problem here. Now I'm not saying that this is the case, I'm just saying that this is the impression that your comments are giving us. Seriously. keep it civil, keep a cool head, and do not react - it's just going to make this whole situation worse. -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 06:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:History of Pakistan and Talk:History of India

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It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigating edit wars. -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 00:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 00:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You have been blocked for persistent personal attacks and incivility on Talk:History of Pakistan and Talk:History of India, despite warnings for a period of forty-eight hours. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock}} along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. -- tariqabjotu 00:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

regarding the block

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NadirAli (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Please read carefully what User:Bakaman,User:D-Boy and user:Hklener have been writing on the History of Pakistan discussion page.I request their provocitive statemnts be investigated "Pakistan has no glorious pre-Islamic history. Look at what their textbooks talk about. Pakistan has a history from 1947 onward (or 1930 for the naming)".Bakaman 03:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC uh, pakistan didn't exsist before 1947. If you call genocide enriched, I'd hate to see what you call negative.--D-Boy 10:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC) You're trying to use Pakistani textbooks as sources under the false pretext of "reasserting our hijacked history". Another thing, I'm not a one-minded troll bent on harrassing usersBakaman 22:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Also please ask user:Unre4L to testify if the alligations against me are infact true.

Thankyou. -- Nadirali 01:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Decline reason:

A very clear case has been made that you have violated Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility. Your threat to engage in Wikipedia:Sock puppetry will not be tolerated and should CheckUser ever determine that you have done so, you will be indefinitely banned along with your IP address. We have zero tolerance for sockpuppetry here. --  Netsnipe   ►  02:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

satifaction granted

I am granted with satisfaction that users who prvoked me into being blocked have recieved similar warnings/blocks.

Regarding the "sock puppetry",I have not engaged in such activiy.There is also no record of me doing so.

Until then,I agree to respect the duration of the block and agree not to attempt editing any articles or adding comments.I also thank the administrators(as well as user:Chabuk) for their neutral stand and not taking any sides.Nadirali 02:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Your site is not working

Hello Nadir hw ru today Yar ,i try to open ur site but it is not working i do not know why?can u help me in this regard .i was using it from office? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs) 04:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Khalid Im good thanx.I will be unable to respond to you for now as I have been blocked as a punishment for violating the wikipedia:incivility and wikipedia:personal attacks rules.Once the block is lifted,I will message you and help you open the site.Please note that the government of Pakistan has blocked access to the site for political disputes with the world Sindhi institute.However there still is a way for you to access the site from Pakistan.Once my block is lifted,I will hlep you access the site.Until then see you.Nadirali 05:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Hey Nadir ,i opened ur site with www.ghostproxy.com ,it by pass local proxy.i do nt knw why ur site was blocked by admin here,anways,it was nice work by u on that site.ok sure will be waiting for ur response.How can help U ,in sindhiworld forum?lemme knw if i can i wll sure.hey wat is ur mailing address?

Just email world Sindhi institute with the questions you have.I just hope it's safe as the Pak government doesnt want people visiting the site,but if you can visit the safely that's fine,just email them your questions.Thankyou.Nadirali 15:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Hi agin Nadir, i though u r blocked and can not replay anyways Welcome Back.

Question

Hi Nadirali, I saw the discussion at Talk:History_of_India#indian_hijacking_of_Pakistan.27s_history and posted a question for you which I'll hope you will answer. Thanks a lot Gizza^{Chat ©} 06:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Empire

What would the error be? The Filmaker 21:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for letting me know. The Filmaker 19:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Portals

Hi! Portals are actually alternate Main Pages on wikipedia. They contain content similar to the wikipedia front page. But unlike the main page, portals are devoted to a specific topic. Hence they contain pictures, articles, "Did you know"s, etc. on that topic alone. See this page for all the info about portals. Ping me if you have any further questions.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 00:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)