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Hi there. I figured we might be able to resolve this without going to the talk page. The reason I've removed the edit you made from that section is that it's redundant: we make it clear that he opposed it, and, later on in that section, explain why he flipped. The quote doesn't add anything - it amounts to 'this is what the mandate is,' and the mandate is already well described in the article. It doesn't even clearly show him expressing opposition to it. And I've left the sources there because they are good if people want to get into the weeds of it. But given all that it doesn't seem notable enough for inclusion. I realize it was a relatively big issue between him and Clinton but in terms of the PPACA article, it's more notable establishing why the mandate was included in the law the article covers. There are [[Political positions of Barack Obama|more appropriate pages to deal with Obama's historical health care positions]] that would seem more appropriate for the level of detail? But that level of detail is too much weight given it's not relevant to the law (as opposed to why he ultimately included it). Again, though, the addition of those great sources seem to cover it, don't you think? =) [[User:Sb101|Sb101]] ([[User talk:Sb101|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sb101|contribs]]) 16:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. I figured we might be able to resolve this without going to the talk page. The reason I've removed the edit you made from that section is that it's redundant: we make it clear that he opposed it, and, later on in that section, explain why he flipped. The quote doesn't add anything - it amounts to 'this is what the mandate is,' and the mandate is already well described in the article. It doesn't even clearly show him expressing opposition to it. And I've left the sources there because they are good if people want to get into the weeds of it. But given all that it doesn't seem notable enough for inclusion. I realize it was a relatively big issue between him and Clinton but in terms of the PPACA article, it's more notable establishing why the mandate was included in the law the article covers. There are [[Political positions of Barack Obama|more appropriate pages to deal with Obama's historical health care positions]] that would seem more appropriate for the level of detail? But that level of detail is too much weight given it's not relevant to the law (as opposed to why he ultimately included it). Again, though, the addition of those great sources seem to cover it, don't you think? =) [[User:Sb101|Sb101]] ([[User talk:Sb101|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sb101|contribs]]) 16:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
:Hey, sorry, I just wanted to let you know that I've seen your message but I don't have time to respond right now - so please forgive my delay (hope to address it tonight). [[User:Sb101|Sb101]] ([[User talk:Sb101|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sb101|contribs]]) 17:49, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
:Hey, sorry, I just wanted to let you know that I've seen your message but I don't have time to respond right now - so please forgive my delay (hope to address it tonight). [[User:Sb101|Sb101]] ([[User talk:Sb101|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sb101|contribs]]) 17:49, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I thought it was implicit with the idea that the focus in the campaign on their health plans was a contentious point of difference. But rather than a quote, couldn't we explicitly establish this:
:"''Clinton's plan would have required all Americans obtain coverage (in effect, an individual mandate), while Obama provided a subsidy but opposed the use of a mandate—a contentious divide in the primary campaign.''" (With this addition implying both ads and debates on it, given the sources)?
I know there are lots of policy matters on which candidates disagree but that don't become significant public divisions. At the same time, the section starts off with the sentence "Healthcare reform was a major topic of discussion..." and also emphasizes that "attention focused on the plans..." Therefore it seems to me that, in context, that edit would be sufficient clarification, if you're happy with it? [[User:Sb101|Sb101]] ([[User talk:Sb101|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sb101|contribs]]) 04:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Welcome!

Hello, OckRaz, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! ... discospinster talk 03:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Signature Question & User Page Image Files

Well, I'm glad you figured it out. Now you just need to add it to the raw code of your signature with [[Special:Contributions/OckRaz]].

As for images on your user page -- that's acceptable, but they have to be hosted on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. If it's hosted somewhere else it won't show up on the page. Under the "Toolbox" (which you have already found) there will a link saying "Upload file". There is a wizard that will help you with all the steps. It's important to remember that the image must either be a free-to-use image (e.g. in the public domain, licensed under a Creative Commons license, etc.) or the copyright must be owned by you. (The "fair use" exception probably wouldn't work because it's on your user page and not an article.) See Wikipedia:Image use policy for more information. If you need help locating a free image, or if you have any questions about copyright or uploading, I can help you out with it. ... discospinster talk 04:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I saw your user logo and couldn't resist vectorising it. Please feel free to use it if you wish. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, OckRaz. You have new messages at Talk:Contragestion.
Message added 12:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I replied to you again. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And again. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Again. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Again. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Again. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey OckRaz!

If you need any help with editing any articles, please let me know. I primarily edit articles on history, politics, and demographics here and I also lurk around the Wikipedia Reference Desk a lot. You said something about the morning after pill and implantation, so here are some good sources for you in regards to this:

I hope this helps. Futurist110 (talk) 20:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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PPACA - Healthcare debate

Hi there. I figured we might be able to resolve this without going to the talk page. The reason I've removed the edit you made from that section is that it's redundant: we make it clear that he opposed it, and, later on in that section, explain why he flipped. The quote doesn't add anything - it amounts to 'this is what the mandate is,' and the mandate is already well described in the article. It doesn't even clearly show him expressing opposition to it. And I've left the sources there because they are good if people want to get into the weeds of it. But given all that it doesn't seem notable enough for inclusion. I realize it was a relatively big issue between him and Clinton but in terms of the PPACA article, it's more notable establishing why the mandate was included in the law the article covers. There are more appropriate pages to deal with Obama's historical health care positions that would seem more appropriate for the level of detail? But that level of detail is too much weight given it's not relevant to the law (as opposed to why he ultimately included it). Again, though, the addition of those great sources seem to cover it, don't you think? =) Sb101 (talk|contribs) 16:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, sorry, I just wanted to let you know that I've seen your message but I don't have time to respond right now - so please forgive my delay (hope to address it tonight). Sb101 (talk|contribs) 17:49, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I thought it was implicit with the idea that the focus in the campaign on their health plans was a contentious point of difference. But rather than a quote, couldn't we explicitly establish this:

"Clinton's plan would have required all Americans obtain coverage (in effect, an individual mandate), while Obama provided a subsidy but opposed the use of a mandate—a contentious divide in the primary campaign." (With this addition implying both ads and debates on it, given the sources)?

I know there are lots of policy matters on which candidates disagree but that don't become significant public divisions. At the same time, the section starts off with the sentence "Healthcare reform was a major topic of discussion..." and also emphasizes that "attention focused on the plans..." Therefore it seems to me that, in context, that edit would be sufficient clarification, if you're happy with it? Sb101 (talk|contribs) 04:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]