User talk:Parsecboy

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SMS Bayern

A new data point for you. According to Grützner Bayern received orders to head for Scapa Flow on the morning of 23 November 1918. The crew size on orders of British was reduced to 175 men only. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, does he give a footnote for that information? I've always seen Bayern included in the list of ships that left on 21 November. For instance, Herwig's "Luxury" Fleet and Gary Staff's German Battleships 1914-1918 doesn't mention a different departure date for Bayern, but he does for Baden (which left on 7 January). Parsecboy (talk) 11:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/SMS Radetzky

It's now open ;) I'll try to fix some of the issues that were cited when I come home today.....However I have several midterms this week so I may not be active until the weekend.--White Shadows ^{We live in a beautiful world} 11:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. Good luck on those exams. Parsecboy (talk) 12:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Military historian of the Year 2010

		The Silver Wiki
		I am delighted to inform you that your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject have earned you 2nd place in the 2010 "Military historian of the Year" contest. We're grateful for your help, and look forward to seeing more of your excellent work in the coming year. Kirill [talk] [prof] 22:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations! AustralianRupert (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, AR :) Parsecboy (talk) 10:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for SMS Ostfriesland

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Source of File:Summary for B-23.png

Hi! I'm an admin over at English Wikisource, and thought you'd like to know that this work is up for deletion, since it has no source information. Would you happen to have the information to hand? A link would be OK, but we'd also like to have some bibliographical data such as date, whether it was part of a larger report, author (US Govt is sufficient, but more detail would go a long way to making the work more useful). For reference, here is the link to the deletion proposal. Thank you for the contributions, and I hope you find the time to contribute more to Wikisource. Please get in touch if there is anything I can do for you. Cheerio, Inductiveload (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Suitcase nuke / Pen nuke Article merged.

Parsecboy,

I've came across Suitcase nuke with a merger on its Discussion page. I would like to see it has been done properly and see if you could assess the WikiProject Military History on the Suitcase nuke against "B-Class". It would be appreciated. Anything in return, I'll have a look at. Adamdaley (talk) 03:16, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

The merge looks to be fine. The article doesn't meet our B-class requirements, however, as there are still a significant number of unsourced sections of text. The Russian section is much better, though the quote from Alexander Lebed needs to have a citation, for instance. I hope that helps. Parsecboy (talk) 11:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I asked you first to take a look at it and do the "B-Class" assessment. Unfortunately, since you didn't reply, I asked User:AustralianRupert to have a look at it for me since I've asked him to look at quite a few articles for me for his opinion and "B-Class" assessments. Thanks anyway. I'll come back and ask some other time! It's appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Scharnhorst

I have always wanted to buy the series "Deutschlands Generale und Admirale - Deutschlands Admirale 1849-1945 - Die militärischen Werdegänge der See-, Ingenieur-, Sanitäts-, Waffen- und Verwaltungsoffiziere im Admiralsrang". It's a series of books each running at 70 to 80 Euros (roughly 100 USD) a piece. I just can't convince myself yet to invest. I will see what I can find. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

You live in Germany, right? Worldcat shows five libraries in Germany have what looks like complete collections of the books (the link is just to the first volume, worldcat split them up individually) - maybe one of them is close to where you are? If not, could you get them through inter-library loan? Free is better than 70-80 Euros. Parsecboy (talk) 12:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I live in Germany. Unfortunately the closest library is still more than 100 miles away from my home town. What I can get for you are the references in the Wehrmachtbericht for Scharnhorst and Otto Ciliax. I will see what I can do for you. I keep you posted. MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Do libraries in Germany have any inter-library loan program? It's pretty common in the US (and I've gotten a number of books through it). Thanks for helping with this. Parsecboy (talk) 12:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I have to check this. I have never tried this. Regarding the Wehrmachtbericht (similar to a presidential unit citation) and Scharnhorst, she was mentioned three times. 1st 9 June 1940, 13 February 1942 and 27 December 1942. I ordered another book "Hitlers Admirale: 1939 - 1945" ISBN 3813208729. Let's see what this reveals MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

It's very worthwhile if you can do it, it might save you a lot of money. Do you have any of the details of the Wehrmachtbericht citations? The German battleship Bismarck article has a section with the mentions the ship received (see here), and it might be useful to do the same for Scharnhorst if possible. Parsecboy (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have the original wording for you. I first have to bring my son to bed. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, no worries. Just to note, I've moved my new version of the article to the article space. Parsecboy (talk) 19:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I added the text and my translation. I find these literal translations very difficult. You may want to tweak the wording here and there. The books have shipped! I hope to get them soon. MisterBee1966 (talk) 11:22, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I made a few tweaks, but nothing major. I also added a note stating that the mentions aren't entirely accurate (forex it incorrectly stated only one destroyer was sunk on 8 June 1940 when two had been sunk). Thanks again for adding that. I'll be curious what those books will add. Parsecboy (talk) 12:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I'm working on Gneisenau now, here. Do you know if she was mentioned in the Wehrmachtbericht at all? Also, do you know anything about the apparent overlap in command between KzS Otto Fein (who left the ship in April '42) and KzS Rudolf Peters, who took command in February '42? It may just be a typo. Parsecboy (talk) 14:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Gneisenau was mentioned twice: 9 June 1940 and 13 February 1942. Same text as for Scharnhorst. I'll check what I can find on the commanding officers. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I added the text to the article. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 16:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

By the way de:Harald Netzbandt, later chief of staff of the Flottenkommando, was killed in action on board of Bismarck on 27 May 1941. A small version of his bio is in Grützner MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Have you seen officers of Scharnhorst? MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

New Britain campaign

Parsecboy,

Could you please assess the "B-Class" criteria for WikiProject Military History on New Britain campaign? It would be appreciated and one less thing to be done for the WikiProject Military History. Seems like User:AustralianRupert might be AWOL from Wikipedia because of the flooding near Brisbane, which is understandable. Adamdaley (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

B-class assessed, and yes, AustralianRupert is unavailable due to the floods. You might consider posting requests for checking B-class checklists here, as people watch that page generally around the clock. Parsecboy (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for assessing it against the "B-Class" criteria. User:AustralianRupert has got a message on his discussion page that he'll be away. Adamdaley (talk) 05:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Chengdu J-20 Article

Parsecboy,

Could you do the "B-Class" criteria on Chengdu J-20 for WikiProject Military History? It would be appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 23:18, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I've assessed this one as well. Parsecboy (talk) 02:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for assessing it against the "B-Class" criteria. Adamdaley (talk) 05:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Scharnhorst

Your behaviour on this article stinks. As someone who knows a little about air combat in this period, who wrote an article entitled Operation Donnerkeil which deals specifically with the Luftwaffe operation that day, I would think that you would accept my changes and wait for replacement sources - which I was in the process of putting in until you edit conflicted the entire thing. Then, within seconds your threatening a block. I won't tolerate you threatening me not now not ever, understand? Dapi89 (talk) 10:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

You can edit according to core policies, or you can not, whatever happens after that is entirely up to you. Your supposed expertise on a particular subject area does not give you the right or ability to ignore those policies. You also never indicated that you had sources forthcoming. Parsecboy (talk) 12:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Uh uh, no you don't. I edit to core policies when it comes to citations, I always have. And what 'policies' are we talking about exactly? Are you being deliberately vague? I've already told you that those sources were coming within minutes, so if you're not getting away with implying that it was a deletion without replacement. In fact, you cancelled that replacement out in an edit conflict. Moreover, specialised air sources (which of course you knew I had) outrank those coming from a naval source. That much is obvious. I also take note that you are still not behaving. My supposed expertise are quite real thank you. On the question of having the right - I never suggested I had any. If you had waited five more minutes, you'd have seen that. You sir, on the other hand, had no right or justification to make that edit summary comment. Dapi89 (talk) 13:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:V and its corresponding guideline WP:CITE specifically, though it should not have been difficult to discern that. You told me the sources were coming after you put them in - that's not exactly the same as what you imply. You did delete without replacement, twice, after I asked you not to do so. I find it odd that you assume I had you in mind when I wrote that paragraph...You didn't need to verbalize your belief that you can edit as you please - your actions speak as much. And waiting five minutes, I think not. It took you 12 hours to add the source, after two reverts. Parsecboy (talk) 14:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

You reverted a reputable editor SIX MINUTES after he made his last edit of the night. Even to you, it must have been glaringly obvious that it wasn't nonsense, and that Dapi89 must be on to it pretty soon.

Besides they were always going in this morning and you edit conflicted twice - your second revert coming onto of my citations. So I did not have the right of reply and unfortunately this does not show in the edit summary this morning. So if you hadn’t been trigger happy, you would not have had to revert in the first place. Needless to say, the information was incorrect. And I verbalised no such thing, accept to make an obvious point was there is no dash in Bf 109 or Fw 190 and that Galland's rank was not an 'ace' but General der Jagdflieger, as well as JG meaning wing not squadron. A glance at two article titles and an intro would have told you all you needed to know. More to the point, you had 12 hours to ask a simple question, or prompt me. Reverting is laziness - particularly after SIX MINUTES. And as I have already said, you know I had the sources. It hadn't crossed your mind that the editor that created Donnerkeil could have any better citations about this?

And stop deleting references from the bibliography. It should be self-evident that these are going to be used – particularly after my communication to you today, a second obvious point. If any one is being obstructive it is you. Dapi89 (talk) 15:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

You made no indication that you were going to provide sources in either edit - am I supposed to read your mind? "Any editor who removes [unsourced material, and refuses to allow it back without an actual and appropriate source, should be the recipient of a barnstar." -Jimbo]. As for Galland, he is famous for being a fighter ace, not a General der Jagdflieger. "Reverting is laziness" - why then did you revert me without added a source? You yourself had 12 hours to find your sources and make your changes. Do it right or don't bother doing it at all. This article is going to go to FAC eventually, and I won't tolerate unsourced additions to it. Go make more work for yourself on your time, not mine. Parsecboy (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Just as I thought. No excuse, not justification. Re: Galland, no, just no, not at all. And I did not 'do it wrong'. For the third time, sources were coming, sources will always be coming, sources were added. Try listening. You've wasted enough of my time. Dapi89 (talk) 17:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Listening to what, exactly? Where did you indicate sources were forthcoming?

Excellent, good bye. Parsecboy (talk) 18:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Get glasses. They were lost in an edit conflict because of your second revert because you were too quick on the trigger. Got it at last? Had you waited, you'd have got them without ever needing to revert again. Got it? Dapi89 (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought you were done here. That you thought it in your head doesn't mean everyone else in the world knew it. Parsecboy (talk) 18:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Calm down the two of you please. This is supposed to be a hobby. MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Guys, this is pathetic. Shake hands and be done with this please. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

He won't acknowledge being heavy-handed and that the block threat was out of line. Dapi89 (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Please leave my talk page, as you appeared to indicate you were doing above. You are no longer welcome here. Parsecboy (talk) 18:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

This is almost amusing. Blame me it is all my fault! Okay now? Shake hands and be friends MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

SMS Hessen

Did you know that Generaladmiral Rolf Carls was a cammander of Hessen (3 October 1932 – 2 October 1933). I would expect to find this kind of info on an article at GA or higher. MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

No, I've never seen his name before. The German pre-dreadnoughts are not particularly well documented, even those that went on to serve in the Reichsmarine and Kriegsmarine. Where did you find that information? It's not mentioned in his biography here. Parsecboy (talk) 19:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Have a look at the German WP article. The English article is only a stub so far. I created it when I started working on the Knight's Cross recipients of the Kriegsmarine. I am far from done yet. MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright - if you have a citation handy you can just post it here and I'll incorporate it into the article. Thanks for finding this. Parsecboy (talk) 19:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Also note that Kapitän zur See Hermann Boehm (also a Generaladmiral of the Kriegsmarine) and Kapitän zur See Wilhelm Marschall were also commanders of Hessen at one point. MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of German battleship Scharnhorst

The article German battleship Scharnhorst you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:German battleship Scharnhorst for eventual comments about the article. Well done!

Please note that I've left some suggestions for improvement in the GA review. Cheers, Nick-D (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

A-class Medal with Swords

		The Military history A-Class medal with swords
		For outstanding work on SMS Kronprinz (1914), SMS Grosser Kurfürst (1913) and SMS Bayern (1915), all of which were promoted to A-Class between October 2010 and January 2011, I hereby award you the A-class Medal with Swords. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:56, 15 January 2011 (UTC)