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List of DYK Hooks by Date
Date # of Hooks # Verified
June 8 1
June 17 1
June 23 1
July 2 7
July 5 1
July 6 1
July 7 1 1
July 8 1
July 14 2
July 15 2
July 16 2
July 18 1
July 19 1
July 20 3
July 21 3
July 22 1
July 24 1
July 25 3
July 26 4
July 27 4
July 28 1
July 29 4 1
July 30 2
July 31 2
August 1 1
August 2 4
August 3 4
August 4 1
August 5 4 1
August 6 3
August 7 2 1
August 8 3 2
August 9 3 2
August 11 9 4
August 12 5 2
August 13 1
August 14 5
August 15 4 2
August 16 12 2
August 17 6 3
August 18 12 4
August 19 11 7
August 20 8 4
August 21 12 8
August 22 21 9
August 23 18 5
August 24 15 8
August 25 19 10
August 26 17 3
August 27 16 4
August 28 13 6
August 29 14 9
August 30 9 4
August 31 9 3
September 1 8 3
September 2 1
Total 320 108
Last updated 05:17, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
Current time is 05:47, September 2, 2015 UTC (purge)

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
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To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.

For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.

I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


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On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
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  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
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How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

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Backlogged?[edit]

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Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote. In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
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  • Paste the hook into the hook area
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  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", and save.

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there is usually a link to it in the credits section).
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    • Leave a comment explaining that the hook was removed from the queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
    • If the day title for the section that contained the hook has been removed from this page, restore that section.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
  • Add a link to the nomination subpage at Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on June 8[edit]

Skintern

Created by Daniel Case (talk) and Inks.LWC (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 03:42, 11 June 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg good 2 go, new and long enough, prose checks, image checks, inline citations checked. and i support alt 1. Good 2 go. --BabbaQ (talk) 00:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg No way. On the sources now in the article (and I've done an external search) this is a neologism -- [1]. I'm nominating at AfD -- sorry. EEng (talk) 05:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Now at AfD. Whatever the outcome there, a new review will be needed. Statements like this (all without citation, or not supported by the citation given) are classic OR:
Before I begin goign through these, it should be noted that EEng wrote this during a time period when he was increasingly desperate to get someone to vote delete in his little AfD. Since no one did, he lashed out. To call it "classic OR" is to completely fail to assume in good faith that the other editor might just have been imprecise in their choice of words. But anyway ... -- Daniel Case
  • "Around the turn of the 21st century, the congressional staffers who manage the intern programs in the United States House of Representatives began noticing..."
I have changed the wording slightly to reflect that media reportage of this began in the mid-2000s. -- Daniel Case
  • "It was first used in 2005 to describe certain such interns working in offices of members of the U.S. House of Representatives in Washington, D.C."
Again, I changed it to reflect that this is the earliest reported use I can find. -- Daniel Case
  • "On some issues, the staffers and members gave ground as some of those offending interns eventually became staffers themselves."
Reworded to take out the last clause. -- Daniel Case
  • "By the middle of the next decade, the skintern phenomenon had been observed in public and private offices around the country"
Reworded to say that it was no longer apparently limited to Capitol Hill, which the sentences after it and the sources they use support. -- Daniel Case
  • "Searches on different search engines did not locate any earlier uses"
See WP:NOTOR. Any experiment that can easily be replicated by any reader is not original research. If anyone manages to find an earlier use during a replication, they are free to edit the article accordingly. -- Daniel Case
  • "The following year the Kansas City Star ran a similar piece, one of the first in a newspaper outside the large media markets of the Northeast"
Removed the last clause. -- Daniel Case
  • "But it is generally believed that most misattired interns, male or female, are not familiar with professional dress standards"
Reworded. -- Daniel Case
  • "Some other observers also suggest" (When the source quotes one person as saying, "These are young men and women, and they can’t be expected to be decked out in Brooks Brothers", that's not "other observers suggest")
Reworded. Daniel Case (talk) 06:45, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
EEng (talk) 11:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Clearly notable sources. Already a clear consensus to keep. I will leave it up for another user to review the article again. But clearly you are misreading the WP you are referring to in your AfD nom. As pointed out by other users. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
"Consensus" comes from the convergence of reasoned argument, not a bunch of drive-by assertions that a subject "meets GNG", with no explanation of why that is. Please be more careful in future reviews. EEng (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Nomination on hold until AfD closes. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg AfD closed as "keep". New full review needed, keeping in mind WP:OR issues raised above. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, QPQ done, hooks short enough and sourced. I'm not going to comment on length just yet because I fear the sheer volume of original research may cause the article to dip below 1,500 characters. Please remove every sentence that doesn't have a reference to it. I will credit the article with the fact that it does seem to present both sides neutrally, though, and the image is Creative Commons licensed. No reasonable copyright problems noted.--Launchballer 22:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Every sentence? We rarely require that of even our most controversial articles. I'm willing to work on the ones pointed out above, but I think that requirement is a bit extreme ... Daniel Case (talk) 06:05, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the "desperation" you imagine I feel, nor the "lashing out" you ascribe. If you think it's OK for an article to state that "Searches on different search engines did not locate any earlier uses" of a word, based on your own searches, then there's something seriously wrong. Same goes for asserting, based on your own database searches, that "media reporting of topic X began in year Y". BTW, my list above was meant to be illustrative, not comprehensive—​I wouldn't be surprised if there's more OR not listed. EEng (talk) 08:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
"This has nothing to do with the "desperation" you imagine I feel, nor the "lashing out" you ascribe." Classic non-denial denial.

"If you think it's OK for an article to state that "Searches on different search engines did not locate any earlier uses" of a word, based on your own searches, then there's something seriously wrong." Per WP:NOTOR, which you don't seem to have read:"Organizing published facts and opinions which are based on sources that are directly related to the article topic—without introducing your opinion or fabricating new facts, or presenting an unpublished conclusion—is not original research." I also consider replicating a two-word search to be substantively similar to the math described in the "Simple calculations" section of that page. If others disagree on that and are willing to state their reasons, I'd be interested from hearing from them (as for you, as the common expression ends " ... I would have farted.")

I will not further respond to you except to say that I believe your further presence in this nomination is toxic and objectively disruptive, as I no longer believe you can be considered to be contributing to it in good faith, based on your sniveling here and at the now-closed AfD. I would request you recuse yourself from it. I will not acknowledge any further contributions you make here. Daniel Case (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't need to make categorical denials re "desperation" or "lashing out" because they're not relevant, though I note you've been posting really quite crazy things on my talk page regarding my alma mater, family background, and alimentary fucntions [2] (continued by your "farting" remark here just above).
  • I'm not particularly interested in whether you wish to respond. My comments are for the benefit of other editors.
  • A database search, used to support an assertion that "Article A appears to have been the first recorded use of Term T", is nothing like an arithmetic calculation, for any number of reasons. What database(s)? What corpus do they cover? How appropriate was the specific search submitted? Since you're trying to establish a negative i.e. there was no use before year Y, it's hard to know nothing was overlooked—​capitalization, spelling variations, hyphenation, etc.—​ and WP editors are in no position to debate such questions, because these search engines are quite complex. This is why we require that a reliable secondary source do such research for us, and report a result we can use. (In this context, "reliable" means that the source is one we can expect will understand how to deal with the uncertainties just listed, such as a well-known language expert.)
For example, a Google ngram search [3] "shows" that there was no use of skintern through as late as 2008. Now, that's obviously wrong, and maybe if you read through this complicated description of how ngrams work, and its various corpora, you'll be able to figure out why, but this isn't the sort of thing WP editors should be getting into, and I don't see how you can know nothing similar is going on in your own searches. Your challenge to other editors to falsify your conclusion if they can, by doing their own searches, does nothing to cure this problem for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious.
You're completely ignoring the clear statement of the very passage from NOTOR which you quote above:
Organizing published facts and opinions which are based on sources that are directly related to the article topic—​without introducing your opinion or fabricating new facts, or presenting an unpublished conclusion—​is not original research.
The databases you searched are not "sources directly related to the article topic", and the statement re first use, drawn from those searches, is an "unpublished conclusion". It's flat-out OR, as is much else in the article.
EEng (talk) 06:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: Can't use the first hook unless a conditional word like "apparently" is added, because the first recorded use of a word is obviously unprovable, even in the digital age. Even the article wording at present reflects that, and the DYK must reflect statements in the article. (Also, June 22 has passed, so that would have to be altered.) Could use some other kind of wording, like "popularized by ...". Softlavender (talk) 08:43, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
  • It can't be used anyway as EEng is right: this is original research. To state in the article that the 2005 mention in The Hill was the first recorded use you need a reliable source to state that independently; your own web search isn't a reliable source; it isn't published research; it isn't exhaustive; your conclusions in the article rely on your interpreting the data. Belle (talk) 01:04, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Struck original hook; June 22 is long gone, and the OR problems remain. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, I see everyone's point, especially now that EEng has stepped off. Had there been time, we might have been able to fix this (God, it sucks when we have reliable sources but nothing academic that would state the otherwise obvious). Could someone (other than EEng, whom I don't trust to do this honestly, please further enumerate or elucidate what in the article they would consider to be OR so we can constructively do something about this before the summer ends? Daniel Case (talk) 06:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Please cool it with the AGF failures and focus on the article's many, many problems. You still don't seem to get the concept of OR. For example, your changing

Around the turn of the 21st century, the congressional staffers who manage the intern programs in the United States House of Representatives began noticing...

to

In the mid-2000s, the media began reporting that the congressional staffers who manage the intern programs in the United States House of Representatives complained...

does no good, because the fundamental problem remains: you need a source that says that this or that (people noticing, the media reporting) began at/around a certain time. It's not enough to cite the earliest articles you happened to be able to find.

There's also at least one serious RS problem. The statement

one office where the offending intern was asked not to be in the intern class's group photo for the member's website.

can't be cited to a teaser for someone's blog, consisting of vague "like the time" cookie-cutter anecdotes: [4]. And even accepting that source's reference to

Characterizing it as "someone's blog" is misleading. There is a difference as far as RS goes between "someone's blog on blogspot", especially if they don't identify themselves, and "[[WP:NEWSBLOG|someone's blog on the Washington Post's website]]". Presumably (Janet Cooke notwithstanding) the latter would not tolerate a reporter making stuff up for a blog post, nor leave posts on their site for so long if they had been found to do so.

If you can find some specific disclaimer on the Post's part (some news outlets do run them, although I've never seen the Post do it) saying that this person's posts are purely their own responsibility and that they do not routinely subject them to the editorial oversight that is our prime criterion for reliability, then I will relent on the hook (which pretty much would mean the nomination, which I'm sure would make you very happy). But until then (or rather unless then), don't make it an issue. Daniel Case (talk) 18:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Here's the entirety of your "source" (the one I linked earlier):
#THATintern: The ‘What dress code?’ intern
By Jenna Johnson June 28, 2011
And it's not just a first-day mistake, it's an ongoing problem.
People in the office try to give that intern less-than-subtle hints — like when the boss pulled out an extra tie and demanded that intern put it on. Or when the intern supervisor asked that intern not to be in the group photo for the Web site. Or when all the other interns staged an intervention at happy hour. Or when that intern suddenly got a horrible nickname like, "The Skintern."
About #THATintern: Every intern class has “that intern” — as in,“Don’t be that intern.” Each day I introduce you to one of them. Share your ideas on Twitter using the hashtag #THATintern. And check out our Intern City page, too.
No disclaimer by the Post is needed to see this isn't meant to be taking as factual. It's a teaser, like if the cover of the travel supplement says, "Inside: Our survey of Washington eateries finds the best kielbasa in the US." Do you honestly think you could turn that into a hook saying, "Did you know ... that Washington has the best kielbasa in the US?" EEng (talk) 00:06, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
[the time] all the other interns staged an intervention at happy hour

how does that turn into the article's

other interns staged an "intervention" during the local bar's happy hour after the workday

- ? Where does the "local" bar come from? The "after the workday"? These are indeed minor details, but it's just not OK for you to make up stuff like this, no matter how logical, minor, or harmless you think it is.

When else is happy hour? Nonetheless, Non-American, or non-English-native-speaking, readers may need some context to understand this, especially if they are reading the article in hard copy where they can't just click the link for an explanation. I have learned that you can't just assume that everybody understands these things intuitively (And see also WP:BLUE) Daniel Case (talk) 18:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Whatever clarification you think readers need, you can't supply it by making up stuff you think is obvious, and if it's WP:BLUE it doesn't need to be said at all. Anyway, an anecdote (even if it's reliable, which this one isn't) that someone, somewhere, was the target of an intervention improves the reader's understanding of underdressed interns... how? EEng (talk) 00:06, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The entire article's like this, and I'm amazed that you, an admin, don't see how wrong it is.

In fact, this "it started in year Y" issue is the fundamental problem with this article. Though the lead describes the phenomenon of young people not knowing how to dress at work without reference to any time period, the remainder presents it as something new. You need a source that says that. (Or maybe it's new just in Washington, but then you need a source that says that. I could have missed something, but all I see in the sources are statements that Persons A or B noticed it in Year Y, which isn't nearly enough.) Without that, all this is is an article titled with a new word (skintern) instead of what it's really about (poor choice of dress in the workplace), and gives a string of recent anecdotes (some of which happen to use the new word). EEng (talk) 07:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Daniel Case, I've asked you repeatedly (most recently at [6]) to stop interpolating your comments inside of my posts [7] unless (a) it's really necessary and (b) you can do it in a way that makes it possible for others to follow the conversation. Next time you do this I'll just delete your post per WP:TPG. EEng (talk) 00:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Arbitrary break
Uh, could you please elaborate on this more? At least EEng above demonstrates conclusively that he actually read the article. Daniel Case (talk) 18:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Most of the alleged "History" section reads like a gossip column filled with unnamed and unattributed salacious anecdotes. Starting it with "In the mid-2000s, the media began reporting..." makes it clear that this relies too heavily on online political gossip blogs and columns and not on the actual, genuinely salacious history of Washington, D.C. Inappropriately dressed interns were as much a problemin the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s only with different fashion emergencies walking the hallways of the Capitol. There's probably a case for the word "skintern" but the bulk of this article does little to support the word itself. - Dravecky (talk) 20:07, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This nomination/article needs a fresh set of eyes. Thanks. - Dravecky (talk) 11:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
While I wish you would support assertions like "Inappropriately dressed interns were as much a problemin the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s" with actual sources to that effect, I do agree with this, and with a week's reflection (and EEng having fully crossed the line with this utterly unjustifiable removal of my responses to his ongoing temper tantrum, and since I am in every way a better person than he is, was or ever will be, whatever he thinks he's entitled to think about himself because he went to Harvard, I will not restore them even though a) his concern about being unable to tell who's said what was completely bogus as I signed all my interjections into his comments for precisely that reason and b) yes, there were personal attacks but I also raised legitimate policy issues and c) the proper response to a personal attack is not to remove it yourself but to suggest to the editor making the attack that s/he might care to strike it through), I have realized he has one mildly legitimate concern: that given the way the Post reported on this intervention we might be a little hasty in describing this as a matter of indisputable fact.

So, therefore, for any new reviewer willing to sink his/her teeth into this one before the summer dies a dusty death, I offer a revised hook:

ALT2: ... that the Washington Post reported that in one U.S. congressional office, an inappropriately dressed summer intern was asked to stay out of the intern class's group photo?
This is the elegant way to resolve the long-running verifiability–truth dilemma—rephrase to make the verifiability the truth of the statement, going from "X" to "RELIABLE SOURCE says X". Daniel Case (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Contrary to what you say, your post inserted your words right in the middle of sentences or paragraphs of mine, making a mess which a newcomer could not possibly decode. You've done this repeatedly, and several times I went the trouble of going through and fixing your formatting [8]; finally I warned you [9] that if you did it again I'd simply revert your post. In addition, the post I removed continued the bizarre personal attacks you've been making for some time, and which you continue even your most recent post. You are welcome to reinsert your comments, but in a way that others can tell who's saying what.
ALT2 doesn't fix the basic problem already discussed, which is that this anecdotal "like the time" promotional blurb isn't meant to be taken as a factual report. EEng (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
I hesitate to wade into this mess, but this is exactly my feeling as well. The Washington Post source is unverifiably vague and it's difficult to tell from its tone whether it is reporting on actual events that transpired exactly as reported (that insiders might recognize), or making up "truthy" things that are sort of like something that might have happened to someone who told it to someone else who told it to the reporter. I don't think that's good enough to turn it into an absolute factual statement in a DYK. And we can't sidestep the problem by saying that the Washington Post said it was true, rather than just that it's true, because the problem is that it's not clear whether they actually did intend for people to think that it was true, or whether maybe they intended readers to take it as a truthy illustrative fictionalized example. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:56, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Obviously you're just another nervously twitching congenitally unable widdle-headed obtusely toxic-farting mildly legitimate Harvard-type jerkass with a stick up his ass. EEng (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, except for the Harvard part, maybe. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:03, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
As DC would be the first to point out, that's redundant to all the other stuff anyway. EEng (talk) 22:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Didn't realize you took it so much to heart. After further reflection, and thanks to Mr. Eppstein being a little more tactful in his phrasing, I think I can see exactly what argument both of you are trying to make: that the way it was phrased in the blog post suggests the reporter was perhaps fabricating it or passing along a rumor. With respect:

  • I really don't think the Washington Post would just let a reporter put something totally made up on their website, and then let it remain there for several years.
  • The revised phrasing does not indicate that we vouch for the truth (something we never can vouch for, anyway) of the assertion in the Post's blog. It only indicates that we vouch for the truth that the Post reported this, which can easily be verified by clicking on the source link. We report what reliable sources have said, be they articles in major newspapers, historical documents about unusual neurological cases, or papers on the cutting edge of topological research. We do not consider it our place to second-guess them. If readers or editors have concerns that perhaps the reliable sources are not, in a particular instance, reliable, we put more atttribution inline. I think readers can be trusted with their own assessments of the veracity of this without us having to decide that for them. Daniel Case (talk) 03:24, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There's a far more basic problem than using a vague sentence as the underpinning of the hook: the #ThatIntern feature in the Post wasn't exclusively or even mostly about "skinterns". Go look at the columns. They're about interns who think offices should be more like fraternities, interns who "shop" in the supply closet, and so on. (The complete collection is here.) Without some basis for why the possibly-hypothetical was left out of the group photo, there's no way to know that it's related to skimpy clothing, just that they're a fashion victim. The intern who needed a tie, for example, would hardly qualify as a skintern. - Dravecky (talk) 13:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
I didn't read the rest of the posts and neither would anyone wanting to verify that the Post reported that. Again, I think you're asking for far more from a source than policy demands here.

And if you read the article in full, you can see that it does briefly discuss (where I found a source doing so) insufficiently-dressed male interns. The word "inappropriate" in the hook is board enough to cover the intern who wouldn't wear a tie, or who did wear cargo pants, and the one in the crop top and miniskirt. Daniel Case (talk) 06:12, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Plus, a glance at just a few of the items listed at the link Dravecky supplied shows conclusively that David Eppstein's analysis is 100% correct. Still not convinced? How about the fact that many items end with, "Want to help me stereotype over-worked, under-appreciated, misunderstood interns? Shoot me an email." One item ends, "Several people suggested this intern, including [XXX], a student at Penn State." The Post expects its readers to be able to distinguish straight reporting from amusing composite anecdotes.
More "No true Scotsman"-isms. None of those are being used as the basis of the hook. They're not relevant. If you want me to take your opposition seriously, limit yourself to the one sentence that matters. Daniel Case (talk) 06:12, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
All the Scotch in the world can't drown the fact that the sentence you want to use is part of larger set clearly not meant to be seen as factual. EEng (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
To post this as a DYK, even as "The Washington Post reported..." would make Wikipedia look as ridiculous as if we'd posted something as "The Onion reported...", in a way that suggested we don't realize the Onion is satire. It's unbelievable we're still discussing this.
More importantly, Dravecky's point—​that even the "fashion victim" blogpost isn't actually about skinterns specifically, but about young people who don't know how to dress at work generally—​is a fundamental problem with the article itself. Most of the sources use the word skintern just once (usually in the headline) with the body just being the usual how-not-to-dress stuff you could have seen all the way back to Dress for Success and earlier. The article presents skintern-ism as some new phenomenon that has a bunch of reporting specifically about it, but it's really just a strained-funny new word for an old phenomenon, with the article SYNTHetically hanging a lot of general bad-dress reporting onto it as if it specifically applied to that word. It doesn't, even if the sources use this current-hip word in the headline or lead to catch readers' attention. I tried to point this out at AfD but got shouted down. EEng (talk) 20:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
So, in other words, you are using the DYK nom to continue the AfD nom. Daniel Case (talk) 06:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Whatever you want to call it. The article continues to have severe SYNTH and OR problems, which even now you're adding to e.g. with [10] you added
In 2004, Jessica Cutler, a staffer for Ohio Senator Mike DeWine, wrote for a while a blog in which she detailed an active sex life with a variety of men she met through her work, which did little to dispel [the idea that skimpily dressed young female interns were trying to emulate Monica Lewinsky].
The source you cite ([11]) says nothing about whether Cutler's blog did or did not dispel the emulate-Lewinsky idea. You just made that up. (And BTW, I don't see anything in the source that says it was men she was having sex with. You seem to have just assumed that, too.)
EEng (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I sort of thought it was implied by "The sex and politics crossover received another injection of juice with the 2005 revelation of the so-called “Washingtonienne.”" sentence in the source. Perhaps I should reword to something more like the source (because some people around here are not shy about calling even something like that impermissibly close paraphrasing)? Or put that quote in the footnote so the reader can judge whether that's a fair interpretation for themselves? I'd be interested in hearing/reading your ideas for what improvements I can make, as I have been for two months now.

In any event, based on the material I added I'm proposing a new hook:
ALT3: ... that recruiters at KPMG have been putting on a fashion show for summer interns because some had been dressing "not in a way that we would have preferred" at work? Daniel Case (talk) 05:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg The ongoing problem is not with the hook but with the whole article. It's a mess of original research, shaky suppositions, and bold misinterpretations. There's probably a good article buried under all that but this can't possibly go on the main page as it stands. - Dravecky (talk) 17:08, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Then, as I have asked, I would like you to enumerate specifics that we can fix. I appreciate your confidence that there is a main-page-worthy article here ... please, work with me to make it so. Daniel Case (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
You'll need to dynamite the existing text, strip it down to just the sources that specifically mention "skintern", and omit the reams of original research, supposition, and unrelated examples. Yes, I think there's an article to be written but I'm not the one to do it. - Dravecky (talk) 04:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
You didn't read what I wrote. You described "reams of original research, supposition, and unrelated examples." Presumably you can give examples if you were willing to be that specific in your criticism. Otherwise it is little better than name-calling. Daniel Case (talk) 03:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
And we certainly can't have any of that [12]. Look, the very first sentence of the article proper –
In the mid-2000s, the media began reporting...
is OR, as explained over and over. Editor after editor has tried to explain the concept, to no avail. And you're linking IDHT? EEng (talk) 04:37, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 17[edit]

AVI Records

  • ... that AVI Records was the second record label to use expanded grooves, after Motown?

Created by 78.26 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hook seemed good and short. The article is new enough, long enough, zero close paraphrase. Can anyone source the introduction section? Wikigyt@lk to M£ 13:12, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Usually the leads aren't cited, as they summarize the information found in the article body. I believe it does so, but that doesn't mean not I'm missing something. Which claim in the lede are you concerned about? 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:27, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm not saying it's mandatory and the sourcing might not be necessary but I will keep this open for further review. Wikigyt@lk to M£ 16:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
See WP:LEAD, "Apart from trivial basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article". Accordingly, the lead should not normally contain any citations. Edwardx (talk) 16:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
78.26, what I'm seeing in the lede is two claims that this was an independent label without any mention of same in the body, and also that it was a "more important" independent disco label, ditto. (For an assertion of "more important", sourcing is certainly called for; the body of the article merely alludes to success in that genre.) If you added these facts in the body and sourced them there, then they wouldn't also be needed in the lede. I think it would help if the body of the article was not a single long paragraph, and if a bit more explanation was included ("case-by-case basis", for example: artist, album, single, genre?). BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, BlueMoonset. I have fixed the lede in more ways than one. Regarding "independent", that claim is in the article body as AVI had laid the foundation for their own distribution... and also that they were distributed earlier by numerous other distributors. I have added a link to "independent record label", as I forget that most people aren't familiar with the concept. I have removed "more important". This is somewhat self obvious to me, but I had gotten the phrase from a source I chose later not to use, as I deemed it not of sufficient reliability, but I never removed it from the lede. I replaced it with a statement more in line with the article body. I hope you view the changes as acceptable improvements. I truly appreciate your assistance. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 01:26, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
78.26, my apologies for being so long in getting back to this. We're much closer, but there are two things I'm wondering about. The first is the new "technology leader" claim in the lede, which doesn't seem supported by the body. The expanded grooves that they used, which is the only thing I see that might fit, is something they did second, so they can't be considered leaders there. You might want to delete "in part as a technology leader", which had been added in your recent edits; if not, you'll need to supply a reference to replace the "citation needed" template I placed there. The second is the final sentence of the article, which doesn't seem to be confirmed by the source: it doesn't mention that they were located in Santa Monica in the mid-1990s, but more important, the Billboard article says of AVI's Rare Surf set: "the records consist of transcendent instro music that's 98% previously unreleased", a direct contradiction of this article's claim that AVI was "limited to re-issuing previously released material". The article's sentence needs to be revised, and should be careful about generalizations if the only 1990s information you have is this one source. Also, if you have any information about when the label ceased operations—the intro uses past tense, so it presumably has done so—it should conclude this paragraph. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks BlueMoonset, no worries. I'm on limited internet access myself right now, so it will be I who will be begging patience. I'll address the second issue first, because it is easier. The source does mention Santa Monica etc, but you have to pay attention to the citation, not to the page Google Books directs you to. It is on page one of that issue of Billboard, where the article starts. However, you made a great catch, and I've modified the verbiage to more accurately reflect (I hope/trust!) what the source actually says. Regarding "technology leader" I didn't say it was the technology leader, rather a technology leader. I put this in because the label received industry notice for its formatting developments and early adoptions as compared to most other labels. I don't have any desire to argue semantics, I'm not very good at it. I am quite open to suggestions that may be more accurate, while continuing to reflect that this label did have some influence on the formatting of disco singles, because I think that is the main claim of notability for this label. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Third opinion here: "technological leader" is the kind of promotional term that I'd expect to be quoted from someone else, not based on our own conclusions. If there are sources that use the term, fine. If not, we shouldn't use it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

I have added some material, and changed the lede. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 01:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
As you can see (and based on your edit summary, seemed to expect), I had issues with the replacement lede material, which made an unsourced claim. I've done my own replacement, which is based on sourced material in the body of the article. If you're okay with the changes, 78.26, we can call in a new reviewer to finish this off. If you're not, then more work is needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
That's a lovely edit, and I'm perfectly happy with it. Regarding my edit summary, I was referencing a word I removed that may have seemed "promotional", not that I thought you'd find issue with what I wrote. Keep in mind I'm a record collector and researcher, and this label made some technical innovations that I think are noteworthy in my field of study, but I truly enjoy collaboration, and I'm not at all wound-tight about people editing my prose! Thanks for all the time you've spent on this. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 23:41, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to recheck the article after recent edits, and do a specific review of the two hooks (original review was unclear on which hook was reviewed). Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
The article seems long enough with no apparent copyright violations. I found inline citations for both hooks. Does the information provided in the hook need to be written in one sentence? In both cases, the information is divided into two sentences: "One of his initiatives was to court disco DJs by introducing expanded grooves, visual cues at key points in the recording accomplished by increasing the width between grooves. They were the second label after Motown to do this." And "AVI Records agreed to acquire Nashboro Records in 1979. As a result, AVI made a concerted effort to expand their gospel efforts by releasing new material as well as reissuing Nasboro recordings." The references make sense to me, but I'm new to reviewing and wanted to double check. SojoQ (talk) 11:36, 24 August 2015 (UTC)






Articles created/expanded on June 23[edit]

Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China

A graphic depicting prices for human organs as listed on the website of the China International Transplantation Network Assistance Center, 2006
A graphic depicting prices for human organs as listed on the website of the China International Transplantation Network Assistance Center, 2006

Created by Davives (talk). Nominated by Happymonsoonday1 (talk) at 23:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC). Happymonsoonday1 reviewed a DKY hook on Cannon Hall, Hamstead.

  • Symbol confirmed.svg good 2 go, new and long enough, prose checks, image checks, inline citations checked. Interesting article indeed. --BabbaQ (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have returned this one from prep 4 as I have some npov and other concerns. Firstly, the intro states Because organs from live donors are more valuable and have a lower chance of rejection, the organs are likely harvested while victims are still alive, a highly alarming claim for which I found little support in the article. I would also have to query the article title, firstly because the article notes other sources or possible sources of organs including Uyghurs, Tibetans and executed prisoner etc. and secondly because it presents an allegation as if it were a fact. Another concern is that an Organ harvesting in China article already exists which covers much of the same territory albeit less comprehensively, so I think there are grounds for a possible merge which might then raise the question of whether this constitues a x5 expansion of the existing content. Gatoclass (talk) 15:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys. With regards to the "merge" idea, there is really too much relevant, highly-sourced material (journal articles, books, longform journalism, government hearings etc.) on this page to merge with another without completely throwing off the balance of the other article. If this were part of the other article, there would be calls to WP:SPLIT the content. And to the 5x expansion issue, this is basically all new content, and in any case it is more than 5x larger than the relevant section on the organ transplant in China page. So that shouldn't be an issue.
About the Uyghur and Tibetan issues, after reading the piece it seems to be a pretty minor part of the story. The relevant researchers seem to think that Falun Gong is targeted at a far higher rate than any other group - the Tibetan stuff is suggestive, and it seems the Uyghurs were the beginning source.
About the live harvesting, that has come up even by sources inside China (i.e. a former military surgeon, Jiang Yanyong mentioned it in some detail in interviews with Chinese media, though indeed not in the context of Falun). But indeed we can drop that sentence unless/until that particular dimension is fleshed out more in the article. Excuse the pun. Happy monsoon day 18:20, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting the content of the article isn't valid, my issues are with the name of the article, possible WP:CONTENTFORK issues, and a couple of statements within the article itself. The CONTENTFORK issue is one that requires a careful assessment of both articles and I haven't found time to do that yet. Gatoclass (talk) 18:56, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I removed the objectionable sentence about "live" organ harvesting in the lede. There were some other objectionable statements I came across when I last read the article, but since that was a couple of weeks ago, I will have to read it again to find them. Having read and compared the "Organ harvesting in China" article, I do not think this article represents a content fork. However, I am still uneasy about the name, I think I would prefer something like "Organ harvesting from political prisoners in China", but again, I will have to read the article a second time before making a decision about that. Gatoclass (talk) 05:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I have re-read the article and have no concerns at this point that would prevent the article appearing on DYK, except for the first sentence which I think is misleading and probably needs rewriting. Gatoclass (talk) 10:04, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
OK. i have been crushed with work and life. let me look at this. [Update: just did] interesting that that first sentence is not the sentence that was there when i nommed this (or, in fact, I would not have nommed it). Given everything I understand about this, which is simply from reading the materials and associated references on that page, and the couple of actual books on the topic that are out there... the first sentence is a load of bs. I'll write another sentence for the lead. Happy monsoon day 01:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm not happy with that as a lead either. I might add something myself. Gatoclass (talk) 05:55, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Just to update this nomination, there is currently a discussion at the article talk page to try and resolve outstanding issues, which hopefully will be effected soon in order to move the nomination forward. Gatoclass (talk) 08:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I don’t really care about this, but I have noticed that the neutrality of Kilgour-Matas report is suspicious for it has been denyed by the reports of the NZ government and the US department of State. [13]

[14] but these reports have been ignored.小梨花 (talk) 12:14, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, I will take those into account. Gatoclass (talk) 14:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
The U.S. State Department findings (or lack of a finding) is mentioned in the article. And for reference, it does not amount to a denial of the Kilgour-Matas report, or any subsequent investigations, but only addresses the initial allegation in 2006 about organ harvesting at a specific hospital in Shenyang. It predates the Kilgour-Matas report by three months. Moreover, the absence of proof in this case does not amount to disproof; as later researchers noted, an approved tour of a hospital can't really be expected to yield evidence that prisoners' organs were taken there without consent. The New Zealand report is not an investigation, but merely a statement that, as of 2011, there was no definitive proof of allegations.TheBlueCanoe 20:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)









Articles created/expanded on July 2[edit]

Mining industry of Tunisia

Moved to mainspace by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk, Dr. Blofeld (talk), and Kelapstick (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 17:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Volcanoguy, the review must be based on the DYK criteria, and list what you checked and what was found. Please see the DYK reviewing guide for more details, and WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG for the detailed criteria; a summation can be found above the edit window when you edit these review templates. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. The hook is very good, but it lacks an inline cite in the article. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 20:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks Yoninah for the review. I have fixed the reference of USGS in the legal section. The hook needs revision and I propose this ALT1 hook... that the government of Tunisia owns and regulates all mining operations but private operation is promoted by the National Office of Mines?Nvvchar. 01:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)



Mining industry of Sudan

Moved to mainspace by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 17:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC).

  • The source says that there are approximately 250,000 artisanal miners but doesn't mention their contribution to the output. Belle (talk) 01:43, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Sentence in the text has been changed. In view of review comments. The hook suggestion is modified as

  • ALT1 ... that gold mining in Sudan is also credited to a very large work force of artisanal miners? Nvvchar 16:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. A couple of points:
  • The article does not have a proper lead section. The lead appears to be more of a history and includes numerous statistics that should be moved down to the text. The lead also does not adequately summarize the article, as it only mentions petroleum, gold, iron, and chromite, whereas the body cites a long list of "Commodities". I suggest rewriting the lead as more of an overview and moving the history and statistics down to the body of the article.
  • The "also" in the hook is confusing. It would be better just to state something about the artisanal miners without making it sound like something is missing. Yoninah (talk) 19:23, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks @Yoninah: for the review. Modified the lead section as suggested. Hook is modified as ALT2... that a very large work force of artisanal miners are involved in gold mining in Sudan?Nvvchar. 01:54, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


Mining industry of Senegal

Moved to mainspace by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 17:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg -Senegal - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 3500 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source verified and is interesting, no copyvio or plagiarism, 1 Flickr picture in article properly licensed plus 1 Commons image licensed correctly, but none used in DYK nomination. QPQ of Norma (constellation) done.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The reference cited for "Illegal mining is prevalent in the country" [15] doesn't say that; it says that there has been an impact in some coastal areas because of the illegal extraction of sand for building. Belle (talk) 01:14, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

As the earlier hook is not correctly worded I suggest the following hook

  • Alt1 ... that the Senegalese government has planned to attract foreign investors and use mining to facilitate national economic growth by some 7%?

The following Hook suggestions of Belle could also be considered

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check all three ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:23, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Demba Diawara
Demba Diawara

<>:@Belle: Here is enough to make one of the noms. As you see I've written an article around one of the villages mentioned in the Senegal mining article (and it has more than one claim to notability). There should be enough to write a stub about Demba Diawara. The village article needs polishing but I'm off out. Victuallers (talk) 12:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I restored the alt above that got lost in the recent re-organisation of these hooks. If we want this alt then we need to add the new article to the DYKmake templates etc Victuallers (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Fixed the alt4 hook to use the correct redirect and capitalization, and a full opening ellipsis. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:51, 22 August 2015 (UTC) thx Victuallers (talk) 15:45, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Struck Alt4 Sadly Alt4 relies on Google Maps who says there is only one Diabougou in Senegal, there there is more than one and the FGC and the mining happened in different places. So the mining hook will have to be Alt1 al2 or alt3 Victuallers (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg With Alt4 out of the running, new reviewer still needed to check the first three ALT hooks. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
    • Alt1 has an inline citation. Alt 2 does, too, but the citation is a book, so will take on good faith. Alt3 isn't stated concisely in the article within one sentence, but does have a citation that works if reworded. SojoQ (talk) 23:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Mining industry of Morocco

  • ... that the mining industry of Morocco includes more phosphate production than any country save for the United States and China?

Moved to mainspace by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 17:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg -Morocco - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 3400 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source verified and is interesting, no copyvio or plagiarism, 2 Flickr pictures in article properly licensed plus 1 map image licensed correctly, but none used in DYK nomination. QPQ of Romy Gundermann done.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Needs further checking for factual errors and verifiability. I spot-checked the lead, and the source states that phosphate makes up 75% of exports, not the world's reserves, which are only "more than 30%" according to the source. ~ RobTalk 10:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

This reference [16] confirms that mining contributed up to 35% of exports and 5% of GDP in 2011 as per reference. I have made the correction. 75% reserves is correct as per this reference. Hence, I am suggesting an alt hook.

  • @Nvvchar: Just need a little help on verification on this. I assume you meant the "ALT1 Hook" to be ...third largest production of phosphate, behind China and USA so stuck the one on top which was the original hook. Too many hooks and not enough RAM. Morocco - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 3400 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source of "has the world's third largest production of phosphate, behind China and USA" I seem to have lost (now found). Just tell me where it is. Otherwise -> QPQ of Template:Did you know nominations/Norma (constellation) done. Looks good. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Nvvchar: - Never mind. Found it in Morocco Labor Laws and Regulations Handbook, page 265. For "has the world's third largest production of phosphate, behind China (1st) and USA (2nd)."
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good To Go for ALT1 Hook. Morocco - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 3400 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source of "has the world's third largest production of phosphate, behind China and USA" verified. Pictures are from Commons and copyright free. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg As far as I can determine, neither of the sources given for the ALT1 hook are current: the moroccobusinessnews source dates from 2005 and doesn't mention China or the United States; the end of the paragraph from the Mining Laws and Regulations book seems to be sourced to 2009, and is strictly in past tense (as opposed to the previous two paragraphs, both of which are in present tense): "possessed about three-quarters" and "was the third-ranked producer of phosphates after China and the United States". Also, the hook's "behind China and USA" has grammatical problems, aside from the fact that "USA" shouldn't be used to describe the United States (see MOS:NOTUSA). I can see how a reviewer might not be acquainted with the "USA" issue, but the wording itself should have been addressed in the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:12, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Deleted reference to China and USA. Hook shortened as
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check ALT2, including whether the sources are adequate to allow a present-tense "has", or if qualification is needed in the wording to reflect the age of the information. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:11, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
ALT2 refers to a statement on the page that indicates "phosphate is ranked third in the world". The reference [3]--which is not directly at the end of the sentence, but after the following sentence--states that Morocco was the world's third ranked producer of phosphate after China and the U.S. according to the Arab Greek Chamber, 2011). Unless an updated reference can be found to back this hook, I'd recommend changing the wording to reflect the age of the information. SojoQ (talk) 20:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


Mining industry of Malawi

  • ... that the percentage contribution of the mining industry of Malawi to that country's GDP may double between 2013 and 2023?

Moved to mainspace by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 17:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld, and Rosiestep: A little puzzled on "double between 2013 and 2023." I think I got it, but just to be sure = it is 10% to 20%, right? Otherwise, looking good.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Doug Coldwell:Thanks for all the reviews. Yes, You are right? It refers to the percentages. Can I add imgs to each of the hooks now? It will be an extra burden on you to review.--Nvvchar. 00:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A full review is needed, not just "good to go". I don't see that Malawi has ever had a complete review, even before the split. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Article is new and long enough, QPQ done. Within policy, no copyvios detected. Why are there question marks after "sulfuric acid" in the Production section? The word "may" in the hook runs afoul of WP:CRYSTAL and WP:WEASEL IMO; the hook should mention the source of the projection. According to the reference it comes from the Malawi Growth and Development Strategy II from the Malawi government. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 02:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


Mining industry of Libya

  • ... that even though Libya may have one of the world's largest iron ore deposits, the mining industry of Libya does not contribute significantly to the county's economy?

Moved to mainspace by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 17:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg -Libya - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 2200 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source verified and is interesting, no copyvio or plagiarism, 3 pictures in article are copyright free plus Flickr picture properly licensed, but none used in DYK nomination. QPQ of William Troy (abolitionist) done.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:37, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I would think most of the data in the article is badly out of date as it is pre the fall of the Gaddafi regime and the ongoing civil war; I don't suppose any industry is contributing much to the economy at the moment. Belle (talk) 01:14, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I suggest the following alternative hook in view of review comments.

  • Symbol confirmed.svg -Libya - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 2200 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source verified of Wadi ash-Shati' may hold one of the world's biggest iron ore deposits. Hook is interesting, no copyvio or plagiarism, 3 pictures in article are copyright free plus Flickr picture properly licensed, but none used in DYK nomination. QPQ of William Troy (abolitionist) done.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The ALT1 hook doesn't make sense. There is no iron mining in Libya, so how can unused iron deposits, no matter how large, be considered part of the mining industry? The hook needs to be rephrased, perhaps to point out that although Libya may have one of the world's biggest iron ore deposits, its mining industry is unable to extract it because it's so remote (and even if the railroad was built it apparently wouldn't be as cost-effective as imported iron is). I also think the "Production and impact" section needs an overhaul: it's hard to tell which minerals are being mined (like oil, gypsum, sulphur, and salt), and which exist but aren't being extracted (like iron). BlueMoonset (talk) 02:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I have made changes to the text as suggested. Proposing
  • ALT2 Hook ... that although Libya may have one of the world's biggest iron ore deposits in the Wadi ash-Shati', it is not mined because of its remote location? Nvvchar. 03:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check the ALT2 hook and whether the issues raised earlier have been satisfactorily addressed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)



Mining industry of Guinea

Moved to Mainspace by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 17:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC).

Guinea

  • Symbol confirmed.svg -Guinea - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 3600 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source verified of the 94 percent and is interesting, no copyvio or plagiarism, Commons picture in article of 2006 is copyright free, but not used in DYK nomination. QPQ of Tom Catena done. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I've returned this from prep as there are some errors in the article (or at least contradictions between uncited sources). "Guinea's bauxite reserve is estimated at more than a billion tonnes (metric tons), which is almost 50% of the world's reserves."; according the KPMG report it has 26.4% and 7.4 billion tons; "ranks at 6th in the world not only in bauxite reserves"; KPMG says it is number one; "High-grade iron ore reserves account for more than 4 billion tonnes"; none of the sources seem to say that. Aren't I just the parade-pisser-on-er?; sorry. Belle (talk) 09:30, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Made changes in the text as per review comments.

  • ALT1... that the mining in Guinea includes 94 percent of Africa's mining of bauxite and holds sixth position of its world reserves? Nvvchar 16:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg -Guinea - nominated 1 day after created, length of over 3600 characters is adequate, reference citations check, hook source verified of the 94 percent and holds sixth position. Hook is interesting, no copyvio or plagiarism, Commons picture in article of 2006 is copyright free, but not used in DYK nomination. QPQ of Tom Catena done.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Doesn't fully address Belle's comment. There's no mention of "holds sixth position of its world reserves" in the source (p18). The country is "the world’s sixth largest bauxite producer in 2012 and holds 26.4 percent of the world’s reserves at 7.4 billion tons, more than any other country." I'm also not sure how reliable this user generated source is. Fuebaey (talk) 23:13, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I would like to request that Doug Coldwell recuse himself from further reviewing on any of the sixteen mining articles, including on the new templates as Fuebaey separates them out. Again and again other reviewers—Belle and Rob and Fuebaey—have found problems with the hooks that Doug has approved. I'm not sure where the disconnect is, but it's been consistent over the past ten days. We need a different reviewer here. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Get your act together guys, this is a complete waste of everybody's time. Next to nobody cares.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:17, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
    • Regardless of your opinions of DYK, I'm sure we can all agree running a factual error on the front page of the encyclopedia is not desirable. If you'd like to expedite this, the best way to do that would be to propose a factually true alt hook. ~ RobTalk 08:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Mining in Guinea
  • Symbol question.svg ALT2 hook is good. The image is PD. I just have a question about the sourcing for the second half of the hook. Could you point me to the source that specifically links Guinea's 6th-place position in extraction of high-grade bauxite with the extraction of aluminium ore? Page 18 of the Guinea Mining Guide seems to be referring to bauxite and aluminium production as two different things. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thanks for the review. allumniumm ore was only an extended explanation. Probably it is redundant. I have shortened the hook to ALT2 ... that the Mining industry of Guinea (pictured) ranks first in the world in bauxite reserves and also 6th in the extraction of high grade bauxite?Nvvchar. 01:24, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 5[edit]

Notoscyphus balticus

Notoscyphus balticus fossil
Notoscyphus balticus fossil
  • ... that only a single stem (pictured) of the fossil liverwort Notoscyphus balticus was used to describe the species?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 21:51, 5 July 2015 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough. QPQ done. Image is in use, looks good, and is properly licensed. AGF on the offline sources. Hook is in the article (sourced) and mildly interesting; falls within the character limit. Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 13:19, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I'm not sure about the Free license of the image: It is attributed to Alexander Schmidt, yet was uploaded by Kevmin under a CC-License for which there is no evidence. Is this Own work or the published work of others? note: the species description paper appears to be copyrighted. --Animalparty-- (talk) 19:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @Animalparty:I emailed the authors and asked them if they would donate images to WP. These were supplied via dropbox by Alexander Schmidt. You will notice they are not the same images as those in the paper itself.--Kevmin § 20:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
@Kevmin: Thanks for clearing that up. I've posted instructions for OTRS permissions on your Commons talk page. I'll assume good faith, and have no further objections. --Animalparty-- (talk) 00:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC) Symbol voting keep.svg
Is it normal for OTRS confirmation to take a full month? (Seriously, I have no idea if this is normal.) - Dravecky (talk) 14:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
To be honest I have no idea, it was my first time with OTRS. I would say just go with the hook without image at this point.--Kevmin § 21:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
In the past couple of days, I've tried to engage someone on the OTRS team who recently helped with another nomination, and will be trying another person shortly. If there's no joy by the end of the weekend I'll let you know, and we can go without the image, but it's such a striking image that I'd like to give it one more chance. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:54, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
It is a beautiful image, but I'm afraid a search of the OTRS system did not find any reference to it. :/ User:Kevmin, if your OTRS submission was successfully received, you should have gotten an autoresponder with a ticket number in the header. If you did, can you please tell me what that was? If not, can you please give me the subject line of your email? If I cannot find that, I will have to assume your email was lost somehow and did not make it to the system. If your email was lost, this is not fatal - if you resend it and give me the ticket number, I will be happy to process it myself if it's a fairly straightforward release or reach out to a more active OTRS Commons volunteer if it's not. (If replying to me here, please ping me. :)) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:20, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Its quite possible I didnt do the OTRS part right. I sent the OTRS form to Alexander and linked him the images, I did not get any response from him.@Moonriddengirl:.--Kevmin § 21:32, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh, Kevmin, so it's possible that he has not sent in authorization? :( Can you reach out to him again? If permission for this is not mailed in, the image will likely have to be deleted. It's so beautiful; that would be a shame! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Ive reached out again, and Hope to get a reply soon. :-( I would hate to have the images deleted, but without the licence its all that we can do. --Kevmin § 22:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Much as I hate to, I'd like to suggest that we set September 5 as the date by which we need to hear back. That's two months to the day after the nomination was opened. If nothing has arrived from Alexander by then, I think this nomination should proceed without the image. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
  • At this point I dont know if we will hear back, and have already started deletion proceedings for the images I uploaded from him, Sad day, but its what must be done. --Kevmin § 02:28, 1 September 2015 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on July 6[edit]

Get Over It (MC Kinky song)

  • Comment: The hook probably isn't that interesting when you consider that her name is MC Kinky, but alternative hooks are welcome.

Created/expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 13:13, 6 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg A QPQ is needed for this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done.--Launchballer 00:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:19, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Length and dates are okay. Lacks references to in-depth coverage of the subject (all but one of citations are to directory listings or YouTube videos of the song being performed) with the one cited review not available online. Extensive quotation from that one review is, by itself, 18% of this article's readable prose. The hook fact is not directly cited. Another editor tagged this as needing better references almost a month ago but no action has been taken by the author. This is salvageable but there is work to be done before this can see the light of the front page. - Dravecky (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Have another look at the expand citations template - that isn't a 5, I never bothered removing it when I expanded the article. I've sourced the hook fact but I've deliberately left the review source linkless because I believe it would be easier for them to go to the library than sift through multiple 'snippets' on Google Books, though I will be slashing down that review.--Launchballer 09:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Ah, the tag is 2013, but it still needs to be addressed. The sourcing issues with this article remain. The only "source" for this hook fact is a link to the "Apollo 440 edit mix" version of the video on YouTube. (Yes, I watched it. Yes, there's a brief scene where the image is deliberately washed out where the singer appears to be possible topless, but there's no indication that this is the definitive video for this song as the same uploader has uploaded at least one other mix of the song/video. Also, we need a reliable third-party source to state the fact, not merely rely on original research. - Dravecky (talk) 12:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
I've written off to Channel 4 and asked there was anything else of value in her appearance on The Word (there are some things they have to include for copyright reasons).--Launchballer 10:13, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Added the entire episode's contents.--Launchballer 22:30, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is short (and was probably short before I cut a sentence or two), underreferenced (and tagged as such), and yeah, the topless sourcing is an issue. In fact, all the sourcing is an issue, and without more better sources this should not be on the front page. Launchballer, the citation in ref. 6 is incorrect. Please use a proper template--I can't tell if it's a book or a magazine, and the year (1980?) has to be incorrect. Drmies (talk) 03:22, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Indeed, the Google Books link provided says 1990 but 1991 is more likely as this 'reference' points at "Issues 576-588", a whole year's worth of Blues & Soul instead of any specific issue, date, or page. - Dravecky (talk) 03:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
I can confirm that was a typo and I can also confirm that the article was over 1,500 characters before you laid into it. I'll have another look for sources.--Launchballer 09:16, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Better?--Launchballer 11:24, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg @Launchballer:: Article now at 1504 characters of readable prose but the hook fact is still cited only to a YouTube upload of one version of the song's video and, as I discussed above, that is not sufficient confirmation of the hook fact. The same video is also used to cite the claim that "Parts of the music video were shot in Boy George's house in Hampstead" but there's no way for a reader to determine this from the source. Without sourcing from reliable third-party sources, there's simply no way to pass this along to the main page. - Dravecky (talk) 06:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I've just checked. It was brought up on that episode of The Word.--Launchballer 07:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I also found a Boy George book which has bits I consider pertinent to the article - better?--Launchballer 21:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Please try to take more care when you edit the article; basic errors shouldn't be displayed on the main page. As is typical with your song articles, the song title is sometimes written without quotes (I've just added them to the hook here), you've badly overlinked some terms, and you're using the wrong pronoun for Boy George. I'll let Dravecky comment on the rest, including sourcing. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:06, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Is this episode of The Word available online? I always assume good faith bit this episode is suddenly covering several key assertions, including the hook fact. What makes Boy George Fever a reliable source? It's a fascinatingly detailed self-published fan site, not an official site or media outlet. The rest of the sourcing is quite thin and many assertions are made without citation. - Dravecky (talk) 00:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
They couldn't for copyright problems, and I think they're going to have even bigger problems getting the copyright for that particular episode given that the late Whitney Houston was on it, and there's a few problems in that household at the moment. They do have a "Best of The Word" program on the Channel 4 website and the performance itself is available on YouTube. As for Boy George Fever, I always thought it was his website - removed.--Launchballer 09:15, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Sorry, I've tried and tried but I can't get past the poor and oft-shifting sourcing on this article. A fresh set of eyes is requested to review this. I'm leaning towards spiking the whole thing but perhaps another reviewer will see it differently. - Dravecky (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 7[edit]

Shaquille Murray-Lawrence

  • ALT1:... that Canadian football player Shaquille Murray-Lawrence returned a kick 89 yards for a touchdown in his first professional game, but the play was nullified by a holding penalty?
  • Reviewed: Enrique Porta
  • Comment: While I prefer the substance of hook 1, I believe it's currently too long (not technically, but practically). Unless anyone can offer suggestions on how to pare it down more, ALT 1 is probably preferable. I've had difficulty cutting it down more than it already is.

Created by BU Rob13 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:03, 7 July 2015 (UTC).

Ive cut down the main hook to make alt2 Victuallers (talk) 08:31, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
  • The interesting thing about that hook is how close the record was. Also, I don't believe it's sourced in the article that it was the same day; the CFL Combine goes over multiple days, I believe. Let's try this copyedit instead. In particular, I've cut his position and the name of the person who broke his record, since both aren't really necessary. It's now 174 characters, which while not in my ideal range of less than 160, is well below the limit of 200. I normally don't propose longer hooks, but this one needs the detail to keep its interesting bits. ~ RobTalk 09:32, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that Canadian football player Shaquille Murray-Lawrence broke a CFL Combine record with a 4.41 second 40-yard dash, but lost the record by only 0.06 seconds later that event?
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I disagree ... ALT3 tells me so much that I dont need/want to know anymore. Just a reminder - you did ask for suggestions that you have taken some effort to strike out and justify your original suggestion. I think you will find that most records are broken by small amounts. The novelty is how quick it was. Good luck Victuallers (talk)
Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough. Hook short enough and sourced, but I believe that a vague hook is a good hook. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found. QPQ done and image properly licensed. ALT4 ... that Shaquille Murray-Lawrence broke a CFL Combine record, only to have his record beaten later that event?--Launchballer 23:06, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
@Launchballer: I guess I can drop some facts from the hook, but I'm not sure I want to drop that many facts from the hook. How about the following: ~ RobTalk 04:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that Shaquille Murray-Lawrence ran the fastest 40-yard dash in CFL Combine history, but lost the record later that same event?
I do apologise, I believed my message had taken. I'm sorry, I believe that the information about what record was smashed is the difference between the hook being interesting or not - viewers will want to 'zoom in' to see which record the man broke.
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg BlueMoonset: I can't approve my own hook, would you mind?--Launchballer 20:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Launchballer, I'll be honest: I prefer ALT5 to ALT4; it tells me right away that this is a speed record, while ALT4 could be an unexciting event like jumping or discus, since the vast majority of readers will have no idea what a CFL Combine consists of. ALT5 has a similar level of detail to ALT2, which was proposed by Victuallers. But I'll see about getting another opinion on the remaining hooks (I've just struck ALT3). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Wow, didn't realize how close my ALT5 and Victuallers' ALT2 were. Don't know why I was so against ALT2 in the past; I'll contribute that to changing tastes in hooks as I got involved in prep. ~ RobTalk 20:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Its short but long enough. Alt5 is referenced as is the rest of the article. Its neutral. there is no image. No paraphrasing spotted. (I presume "CFL Combine" means a lot to quite a few people). Thanks for thisVictuallers (talk) 15:28, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 8[edit]

Riot City Wrestling

5x expanded by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self-nominated at 16:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article long enough, expanded 5x, and fully referenced; hook short enough, interesting enough, and cited to online source -- I would, however, have expected to see the first names of the "Basso Boys" mentioned in the source for the hook. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I wondered if that would be a problem. I edited the article text and provided an alternative hook that uses "the Basso Boys" as in the source. GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:05, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg That works for me, in fact I think "Basso Boys" sounds more interesting than using their first names, so I believe ALT1 is good to go. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @GaryColemanFan: do you have anything better than a flyer to verify the hook fact? Yoninah (talk) 01:23, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
  • No, but I don't see why more than the flyer published on the website of the football club would be necessary to verify the information on the flyer. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Are you challenging its reliability? There's no DYK rule about primary sources. Primary sources are used to verify many DYK hooks. GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, I have not received an answer to the above question, and I will be away until the 29th. I ask that this nomination be kept open (or promoted) so that I have a chance to deal with any remaining concerns. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Sorry for the delay. I personally have a problem with the notability reliability of the hook ref, and would appreciate another reviewer looking at this. Yoninah (talk) 08:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I assume you mean reliability rather than notability. Anyway, feel free to ask another opinion. Of course one would always prefer a secondary source but OTOH this is hardly an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary sourcing. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I agree that a secondary source is preferable to verify the hook, but it's not required. I'm concerned with the content of the flyer, however. It states that the Basso Boys are C Grade, but doesn't say C Grade in what. It isn't specific enough to verify the claim that they played C-Grade Australian rules football. It requires a leap of faith to state that they played Australian rules football at all, and an even larger one to state that they played for this specific club, as you do in the article. Additionally, your QPQ is not sufficient, as you did not address several major points of a full DYK review, including intentionally ignoring a missing QPQ. Please complete a full QPQ. ~ RobTalk 21:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I also did the review for Template:Did you know nominations/Star Trek Beyond. For the record, despite what BlueMoonset apparently wants to believe, I did review that other one for everything except the QPQ. I didn't provide a laundry list of everything I looked at, but there were no significant problems with the article per the DYK criteria. Yes, there was some quoting, but it was all in quotation marks and properly attributed. I see that DYK is trying to become the equivalent of GA or something, but overciting is not a problem that a sub-project concerned with getting a few views for recently created articles should be concerned about. And yes, I ignored the QPQ, which, as it turns out, was a non-issue, since the nominator had completed a QPQ review anyway. The QPQ requirement was implemented to cut down on the DYK backlog. As I looked for an article to review for my QPQ, however, it became abundantly clear that there was no significant backlog, as it was difficult to even find an unreviewed article. As such, I didn't care that someone had missed a step that is clearly unnecessary except to satisfy a rule that was created to solve a problem that no longer exists. Anyhow, I changed the article so that it just says that they played C Grade Australian Rules football. Common sense dictates that an Australian rules football club promoting former C Grade players refers to C Grade Australian rules football. Are we good to go yet? GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • At best, bringing in a source that says the club is C Grade Australian Rules football and a source of the club saying these two were C Grade to conclude that these wrestlers played C Grade Australian rules football is WP:SYNTH. I don't disagree that it's more likely than not, but I don't think a flyer that doesn't even mention the sport in question is a strong enough source to support the statement you're making. Without an additional source, I'd recommend suggesting an alternative hook, as there have been multiple concerns expressed about the flyer. There are currently over 200 unreviewed nominations. Intentionally ignoring any aspect of a DYK review necessitates another editor review the article, which is why I don't agree that an incomplete review meets the requirements. Either way, it's a non-issue if you've supplied another QPQ. ~ RobTalk 13:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • If the Chicago Bulls advertised an appearance "former center Bill Cartwright," would you likewise assume that they were referring to a hockey player? Would anyone? GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • On the other hand, if the Chicago Bulls advertised a fundraising baseball game between two teams made up of "former amateur level players", it would be entirely reasonable to assume that the amateur level refers to baseball, not basketball. I consider this flyer to fall far closer to the latter situation than the former. ~ RobTalk 20:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Let's split the difference. The closest North American parallel would be the Los Angeles Dodgers advertising an appearance by "former Triple-A players". Common sense would dictate that the phrase "Triple-A players" refers to baseball. Let's use common sense here. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:55, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I looked further for any mention of the Bassos in connection to Australian rules football and found this: [19] [20], which at least mentions their names in connection to something football related. I'd accept that together with the other source, although honestly, all three of those sources are rather weak. If I'm seeking out sources for potential inclusion in the article, I'm probably too involved to okay this, and another opinion doesn't hurt anyway because I'm still not 100% confident that these sources fully support what you're saying and are a high enough quality to support a fact on the main page. Another reviewer can take a look at this. ~ RobTalk 05:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Australian-based Riot City Wrestling ran a Mexican-themed wrestling event?
ALT3 ... that Australian-based Riot City Wrestling has staged a feud with Melbourne City Wrestling?
ALT4 ... that the Basso Boys wrestle for Riot City Wrestling and have also played an unspecified sport at the C-Grade level?






Articles created/expanded on July 14[edit]

Cut Like Wound

Created by Lahariyaniyathi (talk), Titodutta (talk), and Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 18:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg First off, dull hook. All stories, whether they are fictional or notFace-smile.svg, begin and end at some point. This fact is not remarkable. If that choice of dates is, then the article should explain this. If not, then we need a new hook, and frankly I'm not seeing one from what's there.

Furthermore the prose needs to be cleaned up a bit. There seems to have been a serious shortage of commas where this was written, for one thing. Daniel Case (talk) 04:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Per WP:DYKSG#C6, If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. This one really doesn't, so I've struck it; a new hook is definitely needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Daniel Case:. Thanks for the review. I hope my copy editing is adequate. I am now suggesting thia
  • ALT1 hook ... that according to a review, Cut Like Wound is a "messy mash of characters and styles"? Nvvchar. 13:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg OK now. It's not the best hook—I really hate review blurbs—but it's been nominated long enough and we ought to get it on the main page. Daniel Case (talk) 05:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Daniel, however I changed the hook at it read as if she had given her own book a poor review Victuallers (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Removed from prep due to this discussion at WP:ERRORS, which noted that the hook (a slightly edited version of ALT1 above) would have to be pulled if promoted. Issues included the fact that the negative review was not representative of the overall reviews of the book (which was by a living author), and was furthermore written by someone who is not even a professional reviewer. A new hook is needed, one that will survive on the main page. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that Anita Nair's detective novel Cut Like Wound has been described as "a commentary on the lives of the sexually marginalised"? Gatoclass (talk) 14:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Much better. However, the article's prose is terrible, grammar and punctuation errors everywhere. I'll see what I can do with that. Black Kite (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • OK, hopefully the article is at least literate now. How on earth did it get promoted in that state? Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Review needed of ALT2 and in general; for example, I don't see that the original review mentioned neutrality and close paraphrase checks, or referencing in general. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
With prose as sloppy as it was at first, I didn't think we needed to worry about close paraphrasing.

To be honest someone really needs to dig into this more and see if we can find some genuinely interesting and unusual fact about this book.

If we are going to let nominations linger as long this one did before someone reviews it, we ought not to be so critical of those people who do try to help DYK out by reviewing the ones no one else seems to want to touch. Daniel Case (talk) 02:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I have been asked to complete this review by the reviewer of my nomination of Murder of Shao Tong. ALT2 checks out. But in the process of reviewing it I found an even better hook at the same source it uses (see the photo cutline):
ALT3: ... that Cut Like Wound is Indian novelist Anita Nair's first work of detective fiction?
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Daniel Case (talk) 16:47, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Nvvchar, if you like the idea of ALT3, then the necessary text and reference will need to be added to the article, since it isn't there at present. Without that, it's ineligible. Please let us know what you intend to do here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:46, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset:. Thanks. I have now added additional text which substantiates the ALT3 hook.Nvvchar. 06:25, 1 September 2015 (UTC)



Lower Manair Dam

View of the reservoir of the Lower Manair Dam
View of the reservoir of the Lower Manair Dam
  • ... that plankton studies of the reservoir (pictured) has confirmed that the biodiversity of the zooplankton has maintained the ecological balance of the water body and made it free of pollution?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self-nominated at 16:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Long enough. New enough. Well cited. Neutral tone. But some facts need to be tightened up to be in line with cited sources. For example, in the location section, "the balance is free catchment" is off; according to the source, the balance is intercepted. In the Reservoir fisheries section, it's 53 species, not 52. Other than those minor typos, it's good. Please correct them. Hybernator (talk) 21:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Long enough. New enough. Well cited. Neutral tone. Hook is cited. GTG. Hybernator (talk) 22:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from prep as I couldn't verify the hook. It might be in the provided source somewhere but since a page number wasn't provided that is too difficult to determine. However, the source conclusion states that "huge diversity of zooplankton in Lower Manair reservoir indicates there is not pollution and plays a vital role in aquatic ecology" which is not the same thing as the zooplankton "ma[king] it free of pollution" as stated in the hook; the source conclusion is saying that the diversity of zooplankton indicates a lack of pollution, it doesn't say it causes it. Nor does "plays a vital role in aquatic ecology" equate to "maintained the ecological balance of the water". Also, the hook should have identified the water body by name, not simply referred to it generally as "the reservoir", which implies all reservoirs. So either a page number will be requred to confirm the hook, or a new hook will need to be proposed. Gatoclass (talk) 06:41, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: I have corrected the text in view of your above comments. Ref is provided with page numbers. The original hook is corrected as ALT1 Hook as ... that plankton studies of the Lower Manair Dam (pictured) has confirmed the usefulness of the rich biodiversity of the zooplankton in making the stored water fit for multipurpose uses? Another ALT2 Hook is ... that in view of drowning incidents and hooliganism problems the security around the Lower Manair Dam (pictured) has been intensified? Nvvchar
  • ALT1 is still misstating the source in the same way so I have struck it. Haven't checked ALT2 yet. Gatoclass (talk) 06:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)





Articles created/expanded on July 15[edit]

Matthew C. Whitaker

Created by E.M.Gregory (talk). Self-nominated at 10:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This violates Rule 4a: "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals... should be avoided." Someone with experience in BLPs needs to take a look at this. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 04:37, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that historian Matthew C. Whitaker is credited with bringing renewed attention to the issue of technology-enabled plagiarism? (I spent a lot of time reading and contemplating this article. This is the most positive(-sounding) hook I could find. Oh, and I fixed a few typos but there are still more to fix and some formatting issues (missing italics, etc.) as well.) - Dravecky (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has been nominated for deletion at AfD; DYK nomination is on hold for until the AfD has been resolved. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
It's not just the hook. Nearly all of the article itself is on the controversies and says very little about any other work that may make him notable. I'm not a BLP expert but unless the article is significantly rewritten I still think it will fail Rule 4a. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 22:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg as per above Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Note: result of AfD was "keep". Article has undergone significant edits since the above, but is currently unstable. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


Hud (film)

Paul Newman (left) and Melvyn Douglas (right) in the 1963 film Hud
Paul Newman (left) and Melvyn Douglas (right) in the 1963 film Hud

Improved to Good Article status by GDuwen (talk). Self-nominated at 20:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm not sure that hook is entirely accurate. I might supply an alt after a re-reading of some of the sources. Gatoclass (talk) 03:31, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Apologies for the delay in getting back to this one, it slipped off the radar. Re-reading the source confirms my view that the hook is somewhat inaccurate. I will supply an alt hook shortly. Gatoclass (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that although Paul Newman and director Martin Ritt conceived the eponymous lead of Hud as morally repugnant, they were astonished to find young audiences warming to the character? Gatoclass (talk) 14:55, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that a new hook has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg On reflection, the article itself also needs a little work, and I'm not sure I will have time to complete it tonight, so I'm placing this on temporary hold once again. There isn't much to fix, so it shouldn't take too long to relist for review from this point - again, my apologies for the inconvenience. Gatoclass (talk) 15:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
No problem there, I been busy myself lately. I'll come back tomorrow to provide a new hook in case that one doesn't make the cut.GDuwenTell me! 21:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 16[edit]

2015 Chattanooga shootings

Created by Veggies (talk) and DisuseKid (talk). Nominated by Faizan (talk) at 22:15, 18 July 2015 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Length and history verified. However, both hooks are dull since, as this article is a failed ITN candidate, they're more or less news hooks, not DYK hooks. So, I have proposed a new hook of my own that's a little more eyebrow-raising and verified the reference:
  • Symbol question.svg Struck ALT3, as it does not appear anywhere in the article proper—the quote certainly doesn't—a basic DYK requirement. This is one of the many reasons we don't allow people to approve their own hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:31, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
New hook will be needed, since all hooks have been struck. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
ALT4: ... that the family of the perpetrator of the 2015 Chattanooga shootings had tried to get him inpatient psychiatric care but a health insurer refused to approve the expense? - Dravecky (talk) 17:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Wow. Like that's never happened before, anywhere. Daniel Case (talk) 03:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
It's a hook crafted to get readers to click to learn more. That's all. - Dravecky (talk) 05:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
In which case I doubt they will, since it's basically "dog bites man." Daniel Case (talk) 03:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I say we go back to ALT3 and either edit the article so that the quote is used (per BlueMoonset's suggestion when I did something similar in another recent nom) or reword that hook thus:
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed including new hook and its sourcing, neutrality of hook and article, and close paraphrasing. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)





Sibu

Wharf terminal at Sibu
Wharf terminal at Sibu
  • ALT1:... that the tallest building in Sarawak Wisma Sanyan is located in Sibu (pictured)?
  • ALT2:... that Sibu (pictured) is the home to several multinational logging corporations such as Rimbunan Hijau?
  • ALT3:... that according to one theory, Sibu (pictured) is named the Swan City because swans supposedly flew over the city after a famine?
  • ALT4:... that according to one theory, Sibu (pictured) is named the Swan City because the word sago, a staple food of the Melanau people, resembles the Hokkien pronunciation of swan?
  • Comment: Hook No. 1 taken from subsection "Chinese Foochow settlement". Hook No. 2 taken from the last paragraph of lead section. Hook No. 3 taken from the "Economy" section.
  • Reviewed: American game show winnings records

Improved to Good Article status by Cerevisae (talk). Self-nominated at 10:07, 16 July 2015 (UTC).

  • The article is cited, neutral, and was promoted to GA status three days ago. AGF on offline and non-English sources. The second hook is more interesting than the other two, but all three hooks are a little dry. I'm also not sure about the reliability of the source for the first hook. Even though it's hosted on a university website, the source looks like a college essay written by a student (if it isn't, please correct me!). One possible alternative is to have a hook about the origins of the city's nickname, which I found very interesting: ALT 3:... that according to one theory, Sibu (pictured) is named the Swan City because swans supposedly flew over the city after a famine? or ALT 4:... that according to one theory, Sibu (pictured) is named the Swan City because the word sago, a staple food of the Melanau people, resembles the Hokkien pronunciation of swan? --Khanate General talk project mongol conquests 18:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @Khanate General: Yes, I agreed with you about the source hosted on the university website that it is seems to be written by a student. However, it has the most complete description about Foochow migration to Sibu. Anyways, I have added another more reliable citation about the Foochow migration. I would much prefer ALT 4 for the hook of this article. Regards.Cerevisae (talk) 22:51, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Independent reviewer needed for newly proposed hooks, and also to check on issues not touched on in the earlier review, such as the image criteria, and the close paraphrasing/copyvio (as a minimum, a spot-check of sources or a check with Copyvio detector of the article should be done). Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:43, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on July 18[edit]

Maria of Bosnia

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 11:46, 21 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New enough and long enough. AGF on offline source in a language that I do not know (just a query: Why is the title of this book initially in German and then in Bosnian?). Article is well sourced, including on the hooks, although only having one source (page numbers/quotations for each inline would help, but not essential for being on DYK). QPQ done. '''tAD''' (talk) 22:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The first hook is great, but the article is sourced to only one source, which could lead to a question of notability. Isn't anything more written about her? Yoninah (talk) 23:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
There is much more[21] but in German, which I don't speak. If I understand correctly, a single source is far from ideal but not an insurmountable issue. Surtsicna (talk) 10:53, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • It's my understanding, per Rule D12, that a single source may be sufficient for an obscure topic such as an extinct species, but not for a biography. Perhaps you could get some help from a German editor? Yoninah (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I would contend that a 15th century countess is a rather obscure topic as well. An English language genealogy website (generally considered reputable) has some info about her. Would that help? The cited source is the only comprehensive biography of the subject. Surtsicna (talk) 15:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I did a bunch of online searches, and I see your dilemma. However, since you have most of her biography down, I think you should access one or two of those German sources using Google Translate, to add a few more cites. The genealogy website doesn't look like a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoninah (talkcontribs) 00:10, 23 August 2015 (UTC)







Articles created/expanded on July 19[edit]

Garrison Point Fort

5x expanded by Prioryman (talk). Self-nominated at 18:08, 22 July 2015 (UTC).

  • [[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]]
Symbol possible vote.svg Matters that are good to go: long enough and new enough relative to the date of this nomination. Checks for copyvio reveals no problems (e.g. [22]), QPQ review performed, interesting hook, all non-lead paragraphs have at least one inline citation.
The only matter that needs to be addressed is that the content of the hook does not appear to be (is not backed by) a reliable source in the article at this time. North America1000 10:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Based on what the review says, North America1000, the X icon is incorrectly used. It is meant only for nominations that are unfixable or require very extensive work. Please use a more appropriate icon in future, like the slash or question mark, for articles that need some fixing, but are not in dire straits. The DYK reviewing guide has a more detailed explanation on what the icons mean. Thank you for your reviews. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:45, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • All right. I modified my comment above. Content of the hook is not presently verified in the article. Hopefully this minor matter can be addressed so this can move forward. Face-smile.svg This has been sitting for over a month. North America1000 14:55, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • No problem, I've added a supplementary reference which should resolve this. Prioryman (talk) 20:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Northamerica1000:, please don't forget you need to finish your review. Prioryman (talk) 20:08, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg In the hook, it states that this two-tiered casemated fort is a rare occurrence. In the lead of the article, it states that this is an unusual occurrence. It does not state anywhere else in the article that the occurrence is rare or unusual. So, to move forward, we need an inline citation to a reliable source at the end of the sentence that states that this is unusual, or copy editing to document its rarity, backed with a reliable source at the end of the sentence (both as per point #3 of WP:WIADYK). If the former is possible, I propose the following ALT1 below. North America1000 00:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Garrison Point Fort in Sheerness, Kent, is an example of an unusual two-tiered casemated sea battery of the 1860s?
  • Thanks but no. The cited source says specifically that the fort is a rare two-tiered casemated sea battery of the 1860s. That is exactly what the hook says. Point #3 of WP:WIADYK says "The fact(s) mentioned in the hook must be cited in the article", which is fully satisfied here. I've just changed the word "unusual" to "rare" in the lead, matching the source exactly (though I note that "unusual" is a synonym for "rare" [23] so this change isn't strictly necessary). I'm afraid your proposed hook is misleading in that it is the type of the fort, not the specific building itself, that is unusual. Prioryman (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg. I struck ALT1 above. The inline citation needs to be at the end of the sentence that states content of the hook, per point #3 of WP:WIADYK. There is presently no source there, although there is one at the end of the following sentence. Is this the source being used to verify content of the hook? North America1000 23:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on July 20[edit]

Rolf Schweizer

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Furius (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg (@Gerda Arendt:) Article is new enough and long enough (exceeds 2,000 characters). QPQ checks out. I'm assuming good faith on the German translation, but don't see obvious copyright problems. What needs work is the hook and BLP citations. The hook, while under 200 characters, still reads cumbersome, and does not seem to have broad interest. More critical is the uncited paragraphs: The one beginning "Rolf Schweizer is one of the leaders of the Contemporary worship music genre", and the entire Personal life section lack inline citations (contra WP:BLP), and the claim that his songs "appear in almost all Christian German hymnals" begs some specificity as well as citation (almost all in the past few decades? almost all ever made? what exactly does "almost all" mean?). There should be at least one reliable citation per paragraph. Lastly, I'm not really sure of the purpose of the quote from Schweizer, without context it seems like aggrandizement. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Passing the ping to those who actually wrote the article, Dr. Blofeld, Furius. - Sorry I have no time to deal with the sourcing - the typical problem if you translate from German - myself, RL, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Have integrated the above and stripped out the chaff. Furius (talk) 01:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that, Furius. The sourcing is now BLP compliant. Can you do anything about the hook? I think a hook with broader appeal (more interesting) might reference the honorary citizenship. Alternatively a more streamlined version of the original might simply omit "composed new songs published in hymnals and". --Animalparty! (talk) 02:30, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • How about "that Rolf Schweizer promoted church music's engagement with trends in secular music, especially jazz?" or something of that sort? Furius (talk) 08:32, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I like that hook, although the article currently doesn't clearly state that, so some minor addition/clarification to the article is in order. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:12, 28 August 2015 (UTC)






Charles Larimore Jones

Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self-nominated at 20:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC).

  • I was unaware of this consensus and policy on Findagrave.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I have now checked Newspapers.com and Google advanced search for Jones's obituary. I have found the same or similar obituaries posted on the internet; however, none are on a site with a bibliography. Newspapers.com does not archive a newspaper in the vicinity of either the Pensacola or Bridgeport. If you insist that the nomination will fail DYK because of this factoid, I will remove it.Georgejdorner (talk) 19:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed; original reviewer has not returned in three weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg Despite claims to the contrary, there have not been any changes to the article's content to meet DYK criteria for reliable sourcing. ViperSnake151  Talk  03:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
There were no claims to anything but my message outlining my compliance with the procedure suggested in your reference. I had no way to intuit that you were one of the "some" who object to findagrave's reliability. I did propose a course of action for your approval; you completely ignored that.
Nevertheless, I have now removed his birth and death information, as I am guessing that is what you require. Do you now propose to tag the article in accordance with WP:BLP Or do we leave it for some other editor to do so? Georgejdorner (talk) 05:20, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
For reference's sake, these are the messages I left on Viper's page:
Hello, Viper,
I have addressed your concerns about the above nomination. Please revisit it to complete your review. And thank you for reviewing me.Georgejdorner (talk) 19:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello, again.
Have you abandoned this review? Or is it just that you have been very very busy?Georgejdorner (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
So where are my so-called promises of changes in those messages?
I request another reviewer.Georgejdorner (talk) 05:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer requested; full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:21, 15 August 2015 (UTC)



Netherlands–Singapore relations

Map indicating locations of Singapore and Netherlands
Map indicating locations of Singapore and Netherlands

Created by Billytanghh (talk). Self-nominated at 06:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Seems to meet the DYK criteria. Good to go! -- Frankie talk 22:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @FrB.TG: this is not the way to do a DYK review, and if you are using any of these reviews for a QPQ, they will be disqualified. You should provide a review that explicitly confirms that the five main DYK criteria have been met. Yoninah (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Here is the full review:

  • The article is new: Green tickY
  • The article is long enough: Green tickY
  • The hook is interesting: Green tickY
  • The hook is referenced: Green tickY
  • An online search does not reveal any copyright violation: Green tickY
  • The article follows most other important policies: Green tickY
  • QPQ: Green tickY Good to go now! -- Frankie talk 20:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks! But the grammar in the hook and article, "had started since", is not English. Yoninah (talk) 20:47, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Some grammatical mistakes have been fixed.--Billytanghh (talk) 13:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry, "has started since" is also not English. It should be "started in the 19th century". But you have another interesting hook fact in the third sentence of the lead. However, that is one of the many examples of close paraphrasing in the article. You cannot just lift sentences and phrases from the sources; you must rewrite them in your own words. These examples must be fixed in order to pass DYK:
  • Source: The Netherlands was one of the first countries to recognise Singapore’s independence in 1965 and establish diplomatic relations.
  • Article: The Netherlands was one of the first European countries to recognize the independence of Singapore and establish diplomatic relations with it in 1965.
  • Source: The leaders reaffirmed the excellent state of bilateral relations
  • Article: Singapore and the Netherlands has developed an excellent state of bilateral relations.
  • Source: The Netherlands assured Singapore of its strong support for the EU-Singapore FTA.
  • Article: The Netherlands also assured Singapore of its strong support towards the Free Trade Agreement between Singapore and the European Union.
  • Source: Both armed forces interact through military courses, visits, and other professional exchanges.
  • Article: The Singapore Armed Forces and the Armed forces of the Netherlands interact by organizing military courses, visits and professional exchanges.
  • Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @Billytanghh: it does not appear that English is your first language. Your verbs and tenses are incorrect and there is no such thing as "a bilateral relations which is in good condition". Please contact the WP:GOCE for help. Yoninah (talk) 23:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I did further copyediting on the article, and also added more from the source. No more close paraphrasing seen. Question: Where did you get the information in the second part of the first paragraph under History? Can you cite it to a source?
  • I would like to suggest a hook with a little more punch:
  • ALT1: ... that the Netherlands was one of the first European countries to establish diplomatic relations with Singapore? Yoninah (talk) 21:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Billytanghh: I see you struck through the original hook and added an image. You also added the ALT1 at the top, which is not necessary, since it's clearly demarcated below, so I deleted the one above. The image is freely-licensed, but honestly, it's so light that it's practically invisible. I would not use it. Since I wrote the ALT1 hook, I cannot approve it. Calling for another reviewer to finish this review. Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Yoninah's ALT is fine and cited in the article, but the question over the source for the second part of the first paragraph under "History" remains; it can be partially cited to this source (currently number 6 in the article), but that doesn't mention Raffles. The image is not useful in the infobox in the article, let alone at DYK size, because the territories are too small to make out. Belle (talk) 22:38, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 21[edit]

Death of Sandra Bland

  • ... that before her death in police custody, activist Sandra Bland wrote in one of her posts, "In the news that we've seen as of late, you could stand there, surrender to the cops, and still be killed"?
  • ALT1:... that before her death in police custody, activist Sandra Bland wrote in her post, "In the news that we've seen as of late, you could stand there, surrender to the cops, and still be killed"?
  • ALT2:... that before her death in police custody, activist Sandra Bland applied for a job at Prairie View A&M University, where she attended for undergraduate education?
  • ALT3:... that before her death in police custody, activist Sandra Bland applied for a job at Prairie View A&M University, where she attended?
  • ALT4:... that before her death in police custody, activist Sandra Bland posted, "In the news that we've seen as of late, you could stand there, surrender to the cops, and still be killed"?
  • ALT5:... that before her death in police custody, activist Sandra Bland posted, "... you could stand there, surrender to the cops, and still be killed"?
  • ALT5b:... that before her death in police custody, activist Sandra Bland wrote in her post, "... you could stand there, surrender to the cops, and still be killed"?
  • Reviewed: Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3 Reina Almon
  • Comment: When I nominated 2015 Baltimore protests and Shooting of Walter Scott for DYK, reviewers pointed out issues, dragging on these nominations. To avoid the same fate, I am proposing hooks that do not prompt conflict or advocate something. In other words, I am doing my best to nominate a hook that does not refer any type of controversy.

Created by Darouet (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 03:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Thanks George Ho for nominating :) I would support the main proposal or ALT1, replacing "wrote in her post" with "posted", to make it brief. -Darouet (talk) 04:01, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
P.S. you could also consider removing the first clause of her quote? Not sure - "In the news… of late" is perhaps not necessary. But I leave that to your judgement. -Darouet (talk) 05:37, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Added your suggestion as ALT5. I rearranged the hooks. George Ho (talk) 17:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg George Ho, I'm afraid you're going to have to come up with another QPQ. Captain Assassin had already started the review of that nomination several hours before, and it isn't appropriate to take over an active review clearly being worked on when there are so many unreviewed nominations out there. I hope you'll pick an unreviewed nomination this time. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • George Ho, the Reina Almon review looks appropriate. Replace the original QPQ with that and this nomination will be ready to proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)




Scorpio (Dennis Coffey song)

  • Comment: I am struggling to find a particularly interesting hook.

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 23:43, 21 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg A QPQ is needed for this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 22:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done--Launchballer 00:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that a QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg This looks good to go. Article was created on the date of submission and the article is over 1500 characters. The author simply cites to the songs in which "Scorpio" is sampled as authority for the fact that the songs contain the sample. I think this complies with WP:RS guidelines, and I am going to AGF that the information is accurate (I am not familiar with all of the songs). Otherwise, everything is within policy, and QPQ is satisfied. I think the suggested hook is fairly interesting, but here is my suggestion for another potentially interesting hook:
Or, alternatively:
Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


ALT3 ... that Public Enemy, Queen Latifah, LL Cool J, Young MC, Geto Boys, Lord Finesse, House of Pain, and Mark Ronson have all sampled Dennis Coffey's "Scorpio"? You aren't allowed to approve your own hook, and I believe in completeness.--Launchballer 20:13, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I don't believe it is enough to merely cite each of the songs that do the sampling, since that's basically OR (and what does "Media notes" mean?); either a statement is needed from one of the artists (primary source) saying that the sampling occurred, or a secondary source noting the sampling, especially when it's being mentioned in all of the hooks. I also think that the article, while technically long enough, says far too little about the actual song. Only 315 unique prose characters talk about the song itself: its release, composition, and charting (almost 400 if you include the material duplicated in lede and body), and that just isn't enough for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Have you ever bought a CD before? Most if not all CDs contain liner notes, which the template calls media notes (an American term perhaps? I'm English) with information about each song on the album; a bad CD will just have the writer, label and year, whereas a quality studio album goes into detail on each record. The notes for songs that sample must contain text to the effect of "Contains/Interpolates samples from Scorpio performed by Dennis Coffey" for example. They tend to be significantly more reliable than the usual online sources for the fact, such as Discogs and WhoSampled, but I will have another look.--Launchballer 23:10, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: BlueMoonset, I also had the same concerns about WP:OR at first. If the liner notes for each of these songs do, in fact, provide information about music that has been sampled in the track, then I think the liner notes are a reliable primary source. I am really not familiar with musical scholarship, but I would think that some samples are self evident; for example, anyone who listens to "Touch the Sky" can tell you that is samples Curtis Mayfield's "Move On Up". However, if there is an extra inferential step involved in determining whether a song has been sampled, then you may run into problems with OR and SYNTH.
Again, I am really not too familiar with the subject, and I simply assumed good faith in my initial review that the existence of the sample was self evident. In any case, I am happy to defer to someone more knowledgeable than myself in these matters. However, if the issues with sourcing are resolved, I like ALT3. Also, Scorpio (song) redirects to Scorpio (Trax song) -- I'm not sure if one song is particularly more notable than another, but you may want to consider creating a disambiguation page per WP:MULTIDABS ("if an ambiguous term has no primary topic, then that term needs to lead to a disambiguation page"). -- Notecardforfree (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Hmm. Less sourced content on that article than sourced content that pertains to the song on this article, no reliable sources on the first 100 Google results, first edited by The TRAX879. This is more notable than that; pencil in your diary this time next week when its AfD ends and this can be moved to Scorpio (song).--Launchballer 13:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It looks like Launchballer has added additional information in the article about the song itself. However, I think this review could use a fresh set of eyes to do a new review and comment on the sufficiency of the sources. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:17, 25 August 2015 (UTC)






Cccan't You See

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 00:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg A QPQ is needed for this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 22:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done--Launchballer 00:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that a QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Created over a redirect on 21 July by nominator. Article is 1518 characters of readable prose, has no close paraphrasing or copyvio issues. Image seems acceptable under non-free content policy and fair use. Hook cited in article. Nothing here appears to contravene policy Ykraps (talk) 16:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article doesn't have a single secondary source about the single itself, and includes a great deal of material about the charting of previous and subsequent singles that isn't really relevant to this single (certainly not at that level of detail) and therefore doesn't belong in the article. For this to run at DYK we need more about the song, including from secondary sources that aren't raw chart data. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:51, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree that the article isn't the best but I believe it meets the basic criteria; and although secondary sources are preferred, primary sources are acceptable providing the editor excercises caution. I see you create a lot of music articles and have managed to raise many of them to GA status, and wonder whether your expectations are too high? That's just my humble opinion and I hope it doesn't cause you any offence. Ykraps (talk) 17:48, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
I do agree with BlueMoonset that the level of chart information was excessive, and I've slashed it down. I took another look for sources and I've found another couple of sources - better?--Launchballer 18:55, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Ykraps, I am far more experienced in the DYK space than the GA space, and I think my expectations for both are quite different and in line with their separate criteria. I've also commented on dozens of Launchballer's DYK nominations at this point; as you can see, he agreed with at least one of my points. As for the secondary sources, they're a good start. The problem I'm seeing is that the article isn't properly reflecting the Allmusic source (the only one that's online): "The gradual nature of the chart history can be attributed to the sluggish manner in which DJs played it" isn't at all what's said there, which is that it took a while to become a hit, not that once it made it onto the charts the DJs were sluggish. Also, about the second uncut album, Allmusic says "(the DJ-only label announced a Vicious Pink: Uncut 2 in 2004)": an announcement doesn't guarantee a release—you notice they're careful not to come out and state that it was released—and 2004 is not 2002. This kind of inaccuracy is troubling. One last thing, Launchballer: you need to be very careful in all your music articles that you always put double quotes around song titles, and render album titles in italics. The new material failed to use double quotes, as did the hook in this nomination; I've just fixed both, but really shouldn't have had to. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
My reading of the source is that DJs slowly adopted the song into their set lists. This can go some way to explain the chart trajectory (most records that chart that low only spend a week there). The year was an asinine error, and I've amended both. I have no idea why I can't get it into my head to use italics/double quotes, as on at least one article it has meant the difference between making the 1,500 character length limit and not...--Launchballer 20:22, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Launchballer, since it can as easily mean that the gradual adoption kept it from hitting the chart quickly as sustained it on the chart once it was there, you are making a conclusion that it not supported by the source as worded. That's clearly WP:OR: any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. And you don't have any source making that specific connection. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
The very first source says "The sales were first high in the North of England (Where we were from) and then high in the South. Because of that Gallop weighted us lower down the chart for not having an even spread of sales", although it fails to explain what Gallop is.--Launchballer 01:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
The first source is primary, and shouldn't be used for this kind of information, not to mention that the synthesis of the two sources is still more OR even if the first isn't cited here. I've deleted the sentence from the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
BlueMoonset: How's it looking now?--Launchballer 22:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer requested to check the new material (over 1000 prose characters have been added) and sourcing. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 22[edit]

The Interview (2014 film)

President Barack Obama
President Barack Obama

Improved to Good Article status by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 16:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT0 is the most striking hook, and it is covered extensively in the article. The article just passed it's GA review. QPQ Done. No copy-vio found. Tweaked the hook slightly. Good to go. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg/Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT0 is entirely misleading, Krimuk90. Both this article and the "Sony Pictures Entertainment hack" article, which I nominated for DYK, leading to its promotion, does not say that the production was the direct or indirect result of the hackings on Sony Pictures. Also, ALT1 may encourage negative political bias toward North Korea. I am unsure about ALT2; it looks politically motivating. I don't know why the content of ALT3 is only in the lede, not the body content. Here are my proposed ALTs:
  • ALT5:... that due to hackings on Sony Pictures, the studio cancelled the wide theatrical release of The Interview but then, under pressure, released it online, resulting in $40+ million gross in digital rentals?
  • ALT5b:... that in the wake of hackings on Sony Pictures, the studio cancelled the wide theatrical release of The Interview but then released it online, resulting in $40+ million gross in digital rentals?
  • ALT6:... that music celebrities Jay-Z and Beyoncé were reportedly paid $10,000 each for cameo appearances in The Interview but do not appear in the film?
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to recheck the nomination and all the various hooks, since the original review only mentioned the original hook (aka ALT0). Unlike George Ho, I did find ALT3 facts in the body of the article, though I feel the hook has grammatical issues, as does ALT5b. (ALT0 was struck for the reasons noted above; ALT5 was struck because it is over the 200 characters maximum, and has the same grammatical issues as ALT5b.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Here are more hooks below:
  • ALT7:... that after its theatrical release was shelved, The Interview was released online on Christmas Eve 2014, resulting in $40+ million gross in digital rentals?
  • ALT5c:... that after its theatrical release was cancelled due to the hackings on Sony Pictures, The Interview was released online on Christmas Eve 2014, resulting in $40+ million gross in digital rentals?



Articles created/expanded on July 24[edit]

Safeword (game show)

  • ... that game show Safeword involves celebrities berating each other in order to avoid ejection?

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 01:05, 24 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new (2 days old), long enough at 1865 characters of prose, and there are no copyvio problems. The main problem I have is that most of the content is cited to the TV episode itself, which is a bit weak. I'd prefer a synopsis of the programme or a feature on it, such as the Radio Times or ITV's own website, particularly for the key word "berating" in the hook (and ejection from what exactly?) Without that, the article does give the impression of being "stretched" to meet the 1500 character limit. Can you find better sources for the show? Also, "roasting" could do with a link to roast (comedy) as I'm not sure everyone (particularly Brits) are familiar with the term outside of what happens to chicken and beef in an oven. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:43, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I would assume most Brits are familiar with the term (I'm a Brit myself) but I've added a link. Neither the Radio Times nor ITV go into that much detail on it, but UKGameshows.com (as linked in External links) has an article on it. Their Weaver's Week column will probably cover that sort of detail, though they pledged to review Hive Minds in next week's issue and I doubt they'll do two reviews in a week. Nonetheless, I've fixed most of the other issues. (Disgusted to see that this article is apparently the only article on the web to give round names.)--Launchballer 11:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg A QPQ is needed for this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done--Launchballer 01:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I think that the "Within policy" criteria on the QPQ need to be addressed before it can be considered "done". BlueMoonset (talk) 01:55, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Is that better?--Launchballer 10:08, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Pinging original reviewer Ritchie333. ~ RobTalk 17:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Sorry to be a pain in the proverbial, but what makes UKgameshows.com a reliable source? Also, how can I verify the information cited to the TV show itself when it's been and gone from the airwaves? (I'm not saying you're lying or anything, but mistakes can be made). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd rather be interrogated now than have the hook returned. Safeword airs 10pm on Thursdays or you can use ITV player, though I'm uneasy about providing a link because most broadcasters only hold shows on their servers for so long. UKGameshows.com is primarily edited by David J. Bodycombe, a man who has 25 years experience in the field of gameshows and was responsible for bringing the nation The Crystal Maze. I consider him a reliable source.--Launchballer 17:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I've dropped this on the floor. Do you still want me to look over this or shall we get another reviewer on it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:37, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Oops. Yes, please do so.--Launchballer 22:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on July 25[edit]

Ahmad ibn Muhammad Ardabili

Shia jurist Moghaddas Ardabili.
Shia jurist Moghaddas Ardabili.
  • ... that fellow scholars called Ahmad ibn Muhammad Ardabili, a Shia religious scholar, Mohaghegh due to his competence in research and non-scholars called him Muoghaddas due to his devotion?

Created by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 06:50, 31 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Can't see how any of the hooks fulfils the "interesting" criteria. Hook is too... technical? These two terms literally mean nothing to me nor it tells me why it's important/curious/interesting. And all of the alts suffer from the same problem: they doesn't give any reason why it might be interesting. Think about that: Why would I be interested in the fact that someone spoke to someone? (ad. ALT3) Your proposition doesn't give me any hint. SkywalkerPL (talk) 17:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @SkywalkerPL:The words that linked in these hooks are interesting article in Islam portal and religious articles. Therefore, I can change the hook and suggest an interest hook (* ALT4:... that during the major occultation of Muhammad al-Mahdi, some people such as Ahmad ibn Muhammad Ardabili got the opportunity to meet him?). Meeting of Muhammad al-Mahdi in occultation is an interesting subject and a few people meet him. The hook show that Ardabili had important and prominent character.Saff V. (talk) 05:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Both the caption and the article identify him as a "jurisprudence", but that is a legal system. So, unless the word has some other meaning I'm not familiar with, that doesn't make sense. Also, the caption should be severely trimmed, probably just giving his name; if you want further explanation of the picture, you can add an |alt= parameter to the image template. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:45, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I tend to agree with Skywalker that most of the hooks are not interesting but I think ALT2 is passable. Gatoclass (talk) 15:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Ive copyeditted this. I think the image looks iffy as I cannot see who or when it was made. Victuallers (talk) 14:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
@Victuallers:This person was a prominent person in Shia history and another person, Shahid Thani, that mention in the ALT2 was interesting Marja' in Najaf for Muslims. Also, Meeting of Muhammad al-Mahdi in occultation is an interesting subject and a few people meet him. The ALT4 show that Ardabili had important and prominent character.Saff V. (talk) 08:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
You are misunderstanding (or more likely I'm failing to explain). Was this picture made 40 years ago by a girl in Iran? Don't know. If it was then its copyright and we cannot use it I have just copyeditted this article! I know this person was important enough for people to still be telling stories of his life hundreds of years after he died. He was a Grand Ayatollah, that is impressive and hooky, so use that phrase and not a more obscure phrase to get readers. Explain the phrase Grand Ayatollah in the article. Feel free to ignore this advice Victuallers (talk) 08:51, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
I used the Grand Ayatollah phrase in the article and explained it in the lead of the article.Saff V. (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Also, the article add in WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors.Saff V. (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset:This version of the article was copy edited by TheMagikCow on 30 August 2015. Please see these pages (1 and 2) to confirm copyediting.Saff V. (talk) 13:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC)



The supplication of Abu Hamzah al-Thumali

Created by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 15:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg new enough, long enough, inline citations and refs checks as well. Good to go. I suggest using the original hook.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg There's currently no in-line citation on the fact that Zayn al-Abidin narrates the Dua, which is required by DYK criteria. ~ RobTalk 15:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @BU Rob13:There are several in-linecitation in the article that indicate the hook is correct (Ref 1,2,3,and 4).Saff V. (talk) 08:39, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Saff V.: The only mention of Zayn al-Abidin in the article is in the first sentence of the section "The narrator", and this sentence does not have an in-line cite. The DYK criteria requires an in-line cite no later than the end of the sentence that contains the hook fact. Also, now that I'm looking at this more closely, the article appears to say in the lead that Abu Hamza al-Thumali narrated this Dua, which would contradict the hook fact. This apparent contradiction would need to be resolved before this hook runs (or the hook updated, if you intended for al-Thumali to be in the hook). ~ RobTalk 10:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @BU Rob13:You nominated two issues. The first is unclear for me. Is it your mean :"there is no source to establish the Zayn al-Abidin is a narrator of supplication? If your answer is yes, I try to find reliable source but we can use ALT1 as hook. Is not it? Abot the apparent contradiction, you are right. For first time, Zayn al-Abidin read this supplication, then Abu Hamzah learnt it from Imam and conveyed to other. So my question is that who is the narrator?Imam or Abu hamzah.Can you clear to me the meaning of narrator!Saff V. (talk) 08:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • It doesn't necessarily have to do with whether you have a source that supports it, just that the information doesn't appear in the article with an in-line citation. If you wanted to do the narrator hook, you would need to put that fact in the article and provide a source that supports it at the end of the sentence where you put the fact. As for ALT1, the fact that Zayn al-Abidin invocated it is in the article and cited, but you would need to add the fact that he was the fourth Shia Imam to the article with a cite. ~ RobTalk 10:19, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @BU Rob13:Can you clear to the meaning of in-line citation? What would I do to resolve the problem? If I put the source after the fact, the problem is solved or not? Do I nominated to the hook in another place of the article except of lead? Please check the recent changes. Thanks!Saff V. (talk) 12:41, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg In-line citation means the numbered citations in the article (i.e. the numbered references that are "in-line" with the text). With the recent changes, ALT 1 is good to go. AGF on the foreign language source with regards to when he invocated the dua. ~ RobTalk 14:39, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've pulled the hook from prep; the article needs a thorough copyedit before it can be featured on the main page. The final paragraphs of the "Chain of authority" and "Reception" are particularly opaque. I would like to strongly recommend that "invocated" not be used in the ALT1 hook (and article, since the hook is taken directly from it), since the verb "invocate" is listed by dictionaries as "archaic" and there is probably a better way to phrase it so people won't stumble over an obsolete word. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:53, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • From my point of view, this is barely English. It needs serious work and anyone who was involved with accepting it for main page inclusion should take a second look. Seriously, what the hell does "advised to croon a little part of dua with feeling and meditate upon its Words. He nominated that don’t read fast this meaningful supplication and think a bout it" mean? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


Ullswater 'Steamers'

  • ... that M.Y. Lady of the Lake, operated by Ullswater 'Steamers', is believed to be the oldest working passenger ferry in the world?

Created by WatermillockCommon (talk). Self-nominated at 20:39, 25 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Age, length, neutrality are fine; hook is interesting and cited (you could add a picture if you like but perhaps it doesn't show well at DYK size); the only problem is that the text is very close to the history section on the company website (and to the Historic Ships book; I assume one of those must have been copied from the other); it needs mixing up a little. Belle (talk) 13:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)








Articles created/expanded on July 26[edit]

Sentinel program

  • ... that public opinion turned so sharply against the Sentinel ABM system during the 1968 presidential elections, that incoming President Richard Nixon was forced to cancel the program?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 23:25, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg
  • The article is newly written.
  • The article has not previously featured on the Main Page.
  • The article is long enough, by far.
  • Citations are sufficient and drawn from reliable published sources.
  • No disputes surround the article.
  • I see nothing that might be construed as a BLP violation.
  • I can find no particular issues with plagiarism. I assume the wording is original.
  • I see no neutrality issues, either. This is a straightforward account.
  • The article is not up for AfD.
  • I assume good faith as to the hook. Great work! - Biruitorul Talk 19:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The QPQ is hardly comprehensive. Please provide another QPQ that explicitly confirms that the five main DYK criteria have been met. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
The review in question was used in production, and now you're retroactively saying it's not good enough for a QPQ?! Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Most of the review was done by User:Rosekelleher. Obviously, the prep builder had to recheck all the criteria before promoting it. Yoninah (talk) 09:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, obviously. Just as obvious as the fact that you're just making up new "rules". Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
I started to review that nomination but couldn't verify the sources online, so didn't approve it. Not sure why the work I did do "obviously" had to be rechecked. Because I questioned how interesting it was? "Hook is interesting" is one of the review criteria. It's subjective. --Rosekelleher (talk) 13:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
@Rosekelleher: there is accountability at each step of the nomination process. The initial reviewer, the prep builder, and the administrator who promotes the hook to a queue all have to make sure the hook meets the DYK criteria. At any step, the hook can be pulled and returned to the nominations page for further work. Your review was fine; the rechecking is just part of the process. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
@Rosekelleher: regarding your review itself, you could have added the gray tick of approval for offline sources. Not everyone uses online sources. Yoninah (talk) 21:51, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, that last item, which makes this entire thread somewhat odd. Are we hear to talk about promoting great new content, or arguing over ancient history? Yoninah, if you really think this "isn't good enough", feel free to pick from any of the other hundreds of reviews I've made. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:49, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
I am not making up rules. Reviews like yours require prep builders to recheck all the criteria themselves. Please list another of your many QPQs, and let's move on. Yoninah (talk) 15:55, 10 August 2015 (UTC)




List of accolades received by Mary Kom (film)

  • Reviewed: Bridget Jones's Baby
  • Comment: Please add this on main page for 5 September 2015, film's first anniversary.—Prashant 06:30, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Created by Prashant! (talk). Self-nominated at 16:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Recently created, no copyvio, QPQ not needed as it's nominator's fifth nomination. Why do you need to write "Priyanka Chopra starrer film". It can be simply as "Mary Kom won the NFA..." -- Frankie talk 17:42, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any problem with that.—Prashant 19:33, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
The issue is that it sounds like promotional language like a film poster. It's also highly unlikely that the image would be used as it doesn't help support the hook as Chopra didn't receive the award, she simply appeared in the film which did. People reading this hook would probably more interested that the film was a biopic on a real life boxer.
Not sure what a 'starrer film' is. It's not an English expression I recognize. valereee (talk) 13:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Cowlibob (talk) 20:58, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Agree with him. -- Frankie talk 21:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
I totally agree. Thanks @Cowlibob: for the suggestion. The current hook is more interesting.—Prashant 08:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
@FrB.TG: Would you like to continue the review FrB.TG? I cannot approve my own hook. Also Prashant, be aware that this or the other Mary Kom DYK will likely be your fifth DYK when promoted. So when that occurs you will be asked to do a review of another DYK before your "sixth" DYK is promoted as the DYK rules say that only the first five DYKs can be nominated without a review of someone else's DYK. Cowlibob (talk) 19:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Prashant!, you now have five DYK credits, so this nomination now requires that quid pro quo review of another DYK nomination. Please do the review—make sure it covers all the criteria—and let us know which one you reviewed. You'll want to look at the reviewing guide, and the rules and supplemental rules for the various criteria. If you need help while reviewing, by all means ask. Thanks. Once the QPQ review is complete, this review can resume. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:13, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: Just a note that the above user has changed their name since this nomination and is now called Krish!. Cowlibob (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Note: struck original hook due to objections; Krish!, you need to let us know soon whether you plan to supply a QPQ review or not; if not, we'll have to close the nomination as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I will supply a QPQ review. Please tell me how to do it. Thanks.—Prashant 15:20, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check ALT1 hook now that QPQ has been submitted. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Untitled Donald Crowhurst film

Moved to mainspace by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 16:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length is OK (5x expanded); age is OK; neutral; no copyvio or close paraphrasing (I had a go at it to remove some bits that were close to the sources; probably unavoidable if they were required, but a bit of slashing at it soon sorted it out). The plot section had to go as none of the sources revealed any details of the plot other than it was about Crowhurst. The Times of Malta and Malta Independent sources were identical apart from the title and opening sentence, so I removed the MI cite. The picture of Donald Crowhurst is not free to use; I've removed it here and you will need to write a Fair Use justification if you want to keep it in the article. DYK problems: the opening ("The untitled is...") has to be sorted out (such are the difficulties when you set out to write about something that doesn't yet exist); QPQ is required; the original hook is a smidge dull (actor plays role in film) and the ALT hook is hyperbolic: "cheated the whole world"; most of the world wouldn't have been aware of him. Belle (talk) 23:36, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes Belle you're right, most of the world is not aware of him, and that's why we are taking it to the main page, so much of the world would get to know him. QPQ is done now. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 02:53, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


Nabeel Qureshi

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 11:31, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Meets the length and age requirements. NPOV. No plagiarism detected. At least 1 citation/para has been used. Hook fact checks out with the provided source. QPQ needed.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:19, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on July 27[edit]

Owen Swift

Owen Swift
Owen Swift
  • Reviewed: to be done

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 19:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, meets core content policies except that the paragraph about London Prize Ring Rules is mostly unreferenced. Awaiting QPQ. I would suggest an ALT hook adding the fact that this led to the rules of boxing being rewritten (I can write the alt, but another reviewer would then need to be called to sign it off). --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 15:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ still not supplied over four weeks from original nomination, and despite talk-page notification. Also, review issues still unaddressed, and need to be. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


Somalatha Subasinghe

  • ALT1:- have a go
  • Reviewed: qpq = Sarpa Satra
  • Comment: where? well you will need to click - a WIR nomination

Created by Kisholi (talk) and Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 11:39, 31 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Looks good! May I suggest a slight rewording to "
Symbol question.svg Interesting life and merits, on good sources, Sri Lankan source accepted AGF. In the hook, I miss that it was the premiere, and see too many foreign names. Better focus on her unless you want to promote the playwright also, and say "student", - there are also old people at universities. Something like
ALT1: ... that Somalatha Subasinghe performed the role of an old woman in the premiere of an important play when she was still a student? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Gerda, I'm cool with any of these. Victuallers (talk) 18:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Forgot to sign, and should probably wait for someone else to approve, - or will you make a variant? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

... that Somalatha Subasinghe appeared as an old woman in a play by a leading playwright whilst still at university? ... a variant - I'm not pushing the playwright but I get the impression this is Shakespeare (or Lessing?) in Sri Lanka. I have also cut down the main. ... and made a "variant"from yours Victuallers (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Fixed my typo, think that "leading playwright" is not in the article, nor should it be, so hope for someone to look at ALT1, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that Somalatha Subasinghe was only 24 when she debuted in the role of an old woman in Ediriweera Sarachchandra's Raththaran? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:35, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


The Verse of Wilayah

Created by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 13:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC).




Lemar Durant

Created by BU Rob13 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC).



Articles created/expanded on July 28[edit]

Guess This House, Hello Campers

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 16:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Two QPQs are needed for this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Both done. --Launchballer 01:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Launchballer, Happy Campers is a disambiguation page with no appropriate entry for this nomination. Please supply the correct title of the article which you created. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:26, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I took a look at Guess This House, and saw that the other title was mentioned there. I've corrected it to Hello Campers everywhere appropriate in the nomination (and I left "Happy Campers" where necessary for everything to work correctly). MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I add another alternative hook:
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that QPQs have been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:49, 26 August 2015 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on July 29[edit]

Margaret of Bourbon, Queen of Navarre

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 21:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC).

Believe it or not, not everyone knows about Navarre. Johnbod (talk) 16:59, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
And what do you tell them about Navarre by mentioning it as "Navarre"? Surtsicna (talk) 18:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
You tell them it is Navarre, which you neglected to do. Johnbod (talk) 20:14, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
I would rather not, as it is hardly a vital piece of information. The sentence is just as correct grammatically and just as "hooky" when more concise. Margaret was, as the article clearly explains, more closely involved with Champagne anyway (as was the House of Blois in general). Thank you for caring nevertheless. Surtsicna (talk) 20:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
You should, under normal WP principles, and because otherwise people may well assume she was queen of France. It is not for you to strike out ALTs. Please stop being tiresome. Johnbod (talk) 21:54, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
No, it is entirely up to me to suggest a hook under normal DYK rules. You are free to propose an alternative, and I am free to dismiss it as the nominator. I have no idea why people would assume that she was queen of France - believe it or not, not everyone knows about Bourbonnais or the Bourbons. I also have no idea how such an assumption, however one may reach it, invalidates the hook. Please abstain from commenting on me and spare me from pathetic cynicism. If possible, also abstain from bothering me once and for all. Surtsicna (talk) 22:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
My understanding is that you are able to say you don't like an ALT but this may not be the final word. Plenty of noms are overruled on this. Silly me for thinking of reviewing one of your noms. I really can't work out where the "cynicism" is supposed to be. Rudeness perhaps. Are you sure you know what the word means? Johnbod (talk) 02:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
It is in the very first comment you made here. If you prefer to be called rude, I will humor you - please, spare me your rudeness. What I can't work out is from where your long-standing hostility towards me originates. My memory is apparently failing me, and I suppose I will be left wondering. Surtsicna (talk) 11:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Ah, you don't know what the word means then. I have (or had) no hostility towards you at all. Johnbod (talk) 14:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Once again, thank you for caring. Surtsicna (talk) 11:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Noting once again that " ... that Margaret of Bourbon was inconspicuous as queen of Navarre but proved a determined regent after her husband's death?" is a better hook. Do not remove or strike-through. Johnbod (talk) 14:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
    • Explaining once again that is not. She was much more closely involved with Champagne, and nothing is achieved by stressing her connection to Navarre. The original hook is grammatically correct and entirely sufficient. Surtsicna (talk) 14:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
The hook is entirely concerned with her being queen and then regent. Not saying what she was queen of is a nonsense. Johnbod (talk) 14:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
No more "nonsense" than not specifying of what she was regent or who her husband was. Surtsicna (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, considerably more. Johnbod (talk) 15:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
If you say so, sure. Surtsicna (talk) 15:34, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Reviewer should check both hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:08, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Kerala Legislative Assembly election, 1960

Created by Logical1004 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC).




Flail Space Model

Created by Jarvis4340 (talk). Nominated by APerson (talk) at 02:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hooks doesn't read well with "model models". Perhaps this should be changed to read "model shows"? (though I understand it could be a scientific term that need to be used). Hook is interesting, short enough (113 characters), but there is no reference in the article to support it. The article itself is new enough and long enough (c. 3000 characters). All the references are off-line so AGF for them. QPQ completed. Overall, unless a reference can be given for the hook and the article brought up to a higher standard (it has only one category, one section has no links, it doesn't use accessible language etc) this should be rejected. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 19:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
    Gaia Octavia Agrippa, regarding the article, I'll add more categories for the article and links for the section now. The language seems fine to me for the purposes of this nomination, although it might be considered a bit technical. The original hook would have been interesting, but since I evidently forgot to check for a citation in the article, here's a new one:
  • The first sentence should be revised:"The Flail Space Model (often abbreviated as FSM)describes how a hypothetical occuupant moves within and interacts with the passenger compartment during a vehicle collision with a roadside feature such as a guardrail or crash cushion." The third sentence should be revised to01:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC)2602:304:B017:5270:2580:F7B3:DDC0:7845 (talk)
  • read: "The FSM eliminates the complexity and expense of using anthropometric dummies which are also deemed unsuitable for the prolonged duration of vehicle to roadside featire collisions." 2602:304:B017:5270:2580:F7B3:DDC0:7845 (talk) 01:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Jarvis4340
    Jarvis, I'd prefer a hook that can be directly cited by a paper. The hook above - that vehicle-feature impacts are where the FSM is the most useful - has a direct citation to an article. As seen above, I originally wanted to use the "FSM eliminates the hassle of crash test dummies" fact, but due to the lack of a citation I couldn't. If you can find a source that says that, however, it would be usable for a hook. APerson (talk!) 03:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Original hook rejected. Alt1 is of adequate length (c. 170 characters), interesting and cited inline (AGF for off line ref). However, the article still has issues: one section has no references at all, a general clean up needs to take place to convert references to inline citations (just one example; "on page 149, it is stated" needs to be a citation rather than a statement in the main text). It is moving in the right derection though improvements need to be made before it can be linked from the Main Page. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 18:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
    Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Gaia Octavia Agrippa, can you take another look at it? I added references to the "Details" section (and fixed it up a little), and converted references to inline citations. APerson (talk!) 01:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Ken Giles

Ken Giles pitching for the Phillies
Ken Giles pitching for the Phillies
  • Reviewed: Forthcoming.

5x expanded by Go Phightins! (talk). Self-nominated at 23:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC).

  • big enough (5x expand), written neutrally, age ok, hook interesting, needs QPQ and sentence itself needs the ref at the end. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on July 30[edit]

Artists with the most number-ones on the U.S. Mainstream Top 40 chart

Created by Calvin999 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC).

Love Vigilantes

  • ... that Bernard Sumner of the English post-punk band New Order described their 1985 song "Love Vigilantes" as "a redneck song"?

Created by WilliamThweatt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg size and age ok, Earwig's copyvio check all clear, written neutrally enough for a tongue-in-cheek song ;) hook cited. material faithful to, yet not a copyvio of, source. would be good to go but awaiting QPQ (?) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on July 31[edit]

Martin Allwood

  • ... that Martin Allwood put Gunvor Hofmo's "Alt jeg bad om, det er også skjedd, / og hjertet—men jeg er bare redd!" as "All I asked for has been granted me—Yet I am scared, although my heart is free."?

Created by Eat me, I'm a red bean (talk) and Mareklug (talk). Nominated by Eat me, I'm a red bean (talk) at 13:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC).

  • Support as another major author. I think it is uncanny to have such an erudite and yet heart-grabbing DYK, in my opinion. We put our hearts into this article, overnight, working via IRC #wikipedia-en. --Mareklug talk 15:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Even before I look at the article the hook has many problems - the article the hook corresponds to should be bolded, and the hook is currently 280 characters - the limit is 200.--Launchballer 20:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I tweaked the hook formatting a bit, but, yes, it needs to be severely trimmed, or replaced entirely with a new hook. I've also added credit for Mareklug. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:18, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done Shortened hook to 197 characters per unix wc from 282. --Mareklug talk 23:32, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
The done thing is to display the new hook as an ALT. The problems extend to the article: A steadfast rule at DYK is that every paragraph must contain at least one reference.--Launchballer 17:06, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
The article has a Swedish language interwiki which itself is very sparse on in-line citations, but that is their wont. I recycled their source which turns out to be an entire collection of material part of which we have been using. See my user page sandbox: user:mareklug/Martin_Allwood. You can effectively put this <ref name=biographical-collection /> after each new paragraph from now on. --Mareklug talk 12:33, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Nothing personal, but I like to review properly oldest first.--Launchballer 15:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


Cristian Bustos

* ... that Spanish footballer Cristian Bustos scored his first ever goal against Real Madrid?

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 10:16, 31 July 2015 (UTC).

  • except the hook fact isn't accurate, nor is it cited in the article. According to BDFutbol, his first senior goal was scored for Valencia Mestalla in the Spanish 3rd tier five-and-a-half years earlier. The cited source for his goal against Real Madrid certainly verifies his scoring a goal, but not that it was his first ever, probably because it wasn't. Additionally, the article is still classified as a stub on the talk page.
  • Nominator has inadvertently listed it as 2x expansion unsourced BLP, which it wasn't: but it is a 5x expansion, so there's no problem with that. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:35, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Article is no longer a stub so I've updated the wikiproject tags to "start" class. - Dravecky (talk) 05:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Struway2 I would now like to change the hook to

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 15:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

  • The facts in that hook are true, although the cited source(s) should appear immediately after the hook fact(s), not just at the end of the paragraph (see WP:DYK#Eligibility criteria point 3b). I'll link footballer, because not all our readers understand football to mean soccer, and add the missing comma. I'd word it "played for Valencia's B-team" rather than "played for B-team of Valencia". It's pretty dull, though: I'll leave it to others to decide if that matters.
  • I've fixed an inaccuracy in the article which appeared to stem from the nominator using a translation tool on a Spanish-language source and then guessing at what the results actually meant. And I've removed no-longer-current review icons: if I shouldn't have done that, please put them back and I'll know another time. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
I have now added the source after the fact. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 08:35, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg And I've added the source after the other half of the fact..... Criteria are now satisfied by ALT1, apart from whether the hook's interesting enough, which I'll leave for someone more experienced in current DYK standards to rule on. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on August 1[edit]

Sainte Marie Coal Mine

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self-nominated at 17:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC).








Articles created/expanded on August 2[edit]

Comoé National Park Research Station

Laboratory and solar panels of the station
Laboratory and solar panels of the station

Created by ETF89 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:53, 4 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough and long enough, but ALT0 is unreferenced and ALT1 is extremely dull. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 01:51, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @ Jakob thank you for your time in reviewing the article. The info based on Alt0 is derived from the Homepage of the research station and the Information posted on the Africa centre page of the University of Würzburg (references 4 and 6). I have also searched for a published reference and came a long a presentation from the conference of the Society of Tropical Biology (GTÖ) in 2015, within the abstracts its states that fact, unfortunately it is not viewable online (i have the hard copy of the abstracts booklet), it should be put up online soon though since prior abstract books are viewable (reference 5). I also saw that I didnt mention that fact in the main article (only in the introductory summary, which was previously referenced but removed due to wiki format policies), so I included it at the end of the history section properly referenced. I tried to reduce the copyviolations as much as possible by rephrasing the text but I feel I reached a point were I am literally only stating facts that can not be properly rephrased (like the amount of publications, or reciting the facilities at the station). Hope its ok now (and I agree ALT1 is indeed a bit dull, although I believe ALT0 should be fine now). Thanks, --ETF89 (talk) 21:25, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry this slipped my mind. There's still a bit of close paraphrasing, such as "Linsenmair in 1989/90 and has since then become one of the most modern field stations in Africa, with electricity, running water, Internet and a large climatised laboratory." and "over 100 scientists from more than 20 international research institutions used the research station" that I think could be made a little more distant from the source. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 14:57, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @ Jakob Done. The copyvio also shows now for the homepage source only 35% (violation unlikely). Thanks again. --ETF89 (talk) 15:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)




Stony Run (Buffalo Creek)

  • ... that the pathogen load of Stony Run is nearly seven quadrillion organisms per month?

Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 2 August 2015 (UTC).


Travis Tope

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 12:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg It has been four weeks, and a QPQ has still not been supplied. It needs to be supplied soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


National Association of Seadogs

Created by OluwaCurtis (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 2 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Passes article requirements: created and nominated on the same day, long enough, and has no major issues. Passes hook requirements: under 200 characters, interesting, cited in article, and neutrally written. Passes other requirements: QPQ verified, and no image used. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hook is a close paraphrase of the source. There are a few instances of close paraphrasing which need to be rewritten in your own words or put in quotes:
  • Source: For almost 20 years, the Pyrates were the only confraternity on Nigerian campuses.
  • Article: For almost 20 years, the Pyrates were the only confraternity on Nigerian campuses
  • Source: The mandate of the confraternity was to fight for human rights and social justice in Nigeria.
  • Article: The confraternity was created with the aim of fighting for human rights and social justice in Nigeria
  • Source: several members of the confraternity in Port Harcourt were arrested and detained for participating in an election boycott campaign.
  • Article: several members in Port Harcourt where detained in jail for participating in an election boycott campaign
  • Yoninah (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing. I will make amends ASAP. Regards! OluwaCurtis The King : talk to me 23:00, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg The source is not a reliable source but a common social network. Until a reliable source is provided to validate the claim in the hook will this qualify for a DYK. There is need to also take a closer look at the context of the article in its entirety for other problematic issues. I'm not sure User:Rainbow unicorn review this article at all. A fresh review is required. Wikigyt@lk to M£ 23:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg I agree with User:Wikicology that the hook source is not a reliable source, and I removed it from the article. The source from Nigeria World is also not an RS; it is some kind of letter to the editor and should not be used to verify information about the subject. It's unclear to me why "Magnificent 7" does not appear in the source cited in Footnote 4.
  • I went through the entire article for content and context, reorganizing the presentation. I edited out some more close paraphrasing and added "citation needed" tags to information that did not appear in the sources given. I think it is important to add (after the lead) a short section, "Background", explaining what a confraternity is in Nigeria, with its aspects of cultism, crime, and government distrust. The link being given to confraternity is mostly about the use of the term in Roman Catholicism, and the paragraph about Nigerian confraternities in that article is brief and unsourced. Most readers will have no idea what kind of organization this is, and the article needs to fulfill NPOV by discussing the negative side of confraternities as well as the positive side. Update: I found a better link, Confraternities in Nigeria. Since this was the first confraternity, I think the Background is not necessary.
  • I would like to suggest a different hook:
  • ALT1: ... that the skull and crossbones logo of the National Association of Seadogs, a Nigerian confraternity, implies that its members are "men of danger"? Yoninah (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 3[edit]

Names of Soviet origin

Created by Altenmann (talk). Self-nominated at 05:12, 5 August 2015 (UTC).

Matt Poskay

  • ... that professional lacrosse player Matt Poskay set an American record of 362 goals scored in his high school career that stood for nearly a decade?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 21:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC).




Constitution of Mississippi

The front cover of the current Constitution of Mississippi.
The front cover of the current Constitution of Mississippi.
  • ALT1:... that the current Constitution of Mississippi was created in 1890 to stop African Americans from voting?
  • ALT2:... that the current Constitution of Mississippi was created in 1890 solely to take the right to vote away from African Americans?
  • ALT3:... that the current Constitution of Mississippi, created in 1890, was created specifically to disenfranchise the state's African American voters?
  • Comment: The article is a work in progress and I'm still working on improving it and adding more citations and information to it, but I found the discovery of this specific bit of information to be quite intriguing and reflective of history. I hope you will find it the same. This is my first DYK nomination. With the kindest, humblest, and best of regards, – Illegitimate Barrister 15:16, 3 August 2015 (UTC).

Expanded by Illegitimate Barrister (talk). Self-nominated at 15:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Support. Sad but interesting fact of modern history. Prefer ALT2. Transparent 6lue (talk) 21:48, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


Desi daru

Factory made legal desi daru.jpg

Created by Human3015 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hook doesn't seem to have a citation in the article. If you're going for a hook about the drink's popularity, the livemint source has a few promising facts. Otherwise, the article is long enough, although it probably could use a copyedit. APerson (talk!) 03:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 4[edit]

Raveena Tandon filmography

Tandon at the Colors Golden Petal Awards, 2012
Tandon at the Colors Golden Petal Awards, 2012

Created/expanded by Krish! (talk). Self-nominated at 17:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Added nomination to main list on behalf of nominator. Article created on August 4. Cowlibob (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Created on 4 August and nominated exactly after seven days (seems fine to me), long enough, QPQ isn't necessary. Hook is cited inline, but not a great one. Vensatry (ping) 12:46, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The entire film and television table are not sourced. Some of it can be sourced in the lead but a very small proportion. Cowlibob (talk) 10:37, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oops, failed to notice that. Both the tables need to be sourced. Thanks Cowlibob for pointing it out! Vensatry (ping) 11:20, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on August 5[edit]

Tarnopol Ghetto

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self-nominated at 17:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Long enough, new enough, neutral, verifiable. Only false positives for copyvios, no close paraphrasing through spot checking. The hook is cited and interesting, but needs a little work. In particular, it would be less confusing if specific names were used instead of the somewhat obscure honorific "Righteous Among the Nations". The casual reader will not understand the hook with the honorific. I wasn't even sure on first reading if it was an individual or organization. In addition, "rescued" is somewhat vague. The hook likely needs a phrase such as "from deportation" to prevent it from being misleading. I'd propose the following ALT, which would require review from another reviewer. What are your thoughts on this alt, Poeticbent? ~ RobTalk 02:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that during World War II, Roman Gross was rescued from the Jewish Tarnopol Ghetto by Józef Regent, whom he in turn had rescued from deportation earlier in the war?
  • Thank you for the QPQ, BU Rob13. I think your ALT1 is excellent. I changed "who" to "whom" because it sounded better to my ears. – I know we're not suppose to approve our own hooks but your review is complete, regardless. The new hook says the same thing, but a lot better, that's all. Poeticbent talk 06:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Alright, we'll just need another reviewer to quickly give their stamp of approval, then. I think the inclusion of specific names is sufficient to be considered a new fact rather than just a rewording/copyedit, so I won't approve the hook I proposed just to play it safe. ~ RobTalk 06:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


Hüseyindede vases

Bull-leaping scene
Bull-leaping scene

Created by Furius (talk). Self-nominated at 12:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC).


  •  :* Symbol possible vote.svg @Furius: The article is interesting. But the last line in discovery section, the entire text of the background section, the first paragraph of the description section need to be provided with citations. I have marked them in the article. Plese fix the references so that I can review the article fully.--Nvvchar. 07:42, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
  • This was done on the 8th August, but I neglected to note it here. Furius (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This substantial article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts have inline citation and the article is now sufficiently well referenced. The image is appropriately licensed and the article is neutral, but I could not check for close paraphrasing because the sources were not available to me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:46, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Mafia III

Converted from a redirect by AdrianGamer (talk). Nominated by Rhain1999 (talk) at 07:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC).








Leschi (fireboat)

M/V Leschi
M/V Leschi
  • ... that the Seattle fireboat Leschi can be used as a mobile pumping station to allow firefighters to draw seawater in the event of a disaster that destroys the city's water mains?

ALT1 ... that the fireboat Leschi can be used as a pumping station to allow firefighters to draw seawater in the event of a disaster that destroys Seattle's water mains?

Created by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 23:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Two problems: Hook is not found verbatim in the article. Hook should also be followed by a citation. Please adjust hook accordingly. Section under the title "Disaster operations" is not cited. When problems get fixed this DYK will be good to go as no other problems were detected. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Δρ.Κ. - I think I've corrected both issues now. LavaBaron (talk) 19:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, LavaBaron your edit just added a ref at the end of the paragraph but did not add the words of the hook as they appear here. You should add the hook to the article in the same words as it appears on this nomination. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Also I reverted your hook change because you are not supposed to change the original hook. You have to provide an alternate hook on another line starting with "ALT1" in bold. In addition, your new hook was over the 200 character limit. It was too long. You should provide a shorter one. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I've shortened the hook to make it under 200 characters, however, I did not change it to match the text of the article verbatim as (a) it would be nonsensical as a verbatim phrase without context, and, (b) word-for-word repetition of a line from the article is not a requirement for DYK. LavaBaron (talk) 03:13, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Your point a) is invalid since an interesting fact from the article should be a stand-alone interesting fact which would invite someone to read the article further. Also, if the hook talks about a "pumping station" there is no reason why "pumping station" cannot appear in the article. If "pumping station" cannot appear in the article, for lack of sources or any other reason, then the description is unsupported original research and we cannot have that. Your point b is redundant given my above rationale. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 14:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
"Standalone fact" does not, nor has it ever equaled, "verbatim text from the article." You are applying a standard of your own invention that isn't being applied to other DYK reviews occurring at this very moment. The changes in wording between the hook and the article are to make it comprehensible as a standalone fact. A hook of "Did you know manifolds on the Leschi's deck provide ports through which hose lines can be run to provide fire engines with direct access to seawater?" - the direct text you're demanding - would make absolutely no sense and would not be a "hook." Including the preceding sentence in order to make it comprehensible, would put it over the character limit. I think you may not be familiar with the colloquial use of the word "hook" in English, which is okay, but may cause problems doing DYK reviews. LavaBaron (talk) 01:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
I think the facts are quite the opposite from what you are trying to portray. Given that you have already made quite a few mistakes that I had to correct, such as altering the original DYK hook without proposing an ALT1 hook, then providing a hook with way over the 200 character limit etc. it looks as if it is you who has no experience how DYK works not me. Obviously that is your problem not mine. I tried to advise you but you came back with irrelevant comments and insinuations about my understanding of what a hook is. Here is some advice: Don't try to reverse the tables on me. Try to learn from what I told you. If you don't comply I will not pass this DYK. No amount of personal ot irrelevant comments will change that. With this I welcome another reviewer to take up this DYK because it does not appear that my review comments will be complied with any time soon. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:58, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh good Lord. LavaBaron (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
  • In fact, the hook fact does not need to be found verbatim in the body of the article. Some condensing, rewording, and other editing is preferred to an inadequate hook or an awkward sentence wedged into the body of the text. The rules are right here (Wikipedia:Did you know#The hook) for all to read. - Dravecky (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Some condensing, rewording, and other editing is preferred to an inadequate hook or an awkward sentence wedged into the body of the text. Who said that "the hook would be inadequate or an awkward sentence should be wedged into the body of the text?" Has anyone tried to copyedit the article? Also if reliable sources describe the boat as a "mobile pumping station" why can't this simple fact be included in the article? What would be so awkward about it? If reliable sources do not use the descriptor "mobile pumping station" then perhaps another more suitable description can be found which is also supported by RS. I have read the DYK rules and hook description multiple times over the years, thank you. I am simply not convinced that the hook adequately complies with RS. However, as I mentioned in my previous post, if you or anyone else is certain that the present hook is compliant with RS, by all means please approve it. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 15:57, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I added a mission statement which specifically refers to the boat as a "mobile pump station". This statement is supported by an RS already existing at the article. This resolves my concerns. The problem now is that since I edited the article I became involved with it and I would like someone uninvolved to approve this DYK. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:50, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Well now the article reads WP:PROMOTIONAL. Not sure when we include "mission statements," but whatever, I'm not going to argue over it. We can change it back to the NPOV version after the DYK is done I guess. LavaBaron (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
A mission statement is a short description of the boat's mission which includes all its functions and intended uses. The mission statement is included in Professional Mariner, a very reliable, non-promotional source. The article is about a service boat which presumably has a mission. The mission is stated matter-of-factly as: Firefighting, mobile platform for emergency medical treatment and command center, mobile pump and fuel station, and response to chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosive (CBRNE) emergencies. I fail to see how you consider this simple enumeration of the vessel's duties and descriptions as promotional or failing NPOV. On the contrary, I consider the mission section which I added to significantly improve the article because it summarises its functions and intended uses while immediately after the mission section these uses are further analysed and elaborated upon. So the mission statement acts also as a brief introduction to the boat's capabilities. The mission statement also includes an additional functionality of the boat as a "mobile fuel station" which was not in the article before I added it. I am done here however because I see that you continue to criticise my edits no matter what I do. I have better things to do than argue with you over the constructive edits that I made to this article just because you don't like them. Best of luck with this DYK. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:39, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm completely confused as to why you've become so worked up by this DYK. I've done a number of DYKs before and this was definitely a first. Anyway, thanks for your very thorough notes - LavaBaron (talk) 21:55, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion but, no, I am not "worked up" by this DYK at all. Disagreements happen and when they do misunderstandings can also follow. We may have had a few of those during this process but that does not mean that I cannot appreciate your efforts. I think this is a great article about a remarkable boat and I think you wrote it very well. So thank you for that also. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Dravocky LavaBaron (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

Meagan Fuller

  • Reviewed: 2015 attack on Dallas police
  • Comment: While Tulane says she has already earned the degree, it will be conferred on August 15. If this hook could be posted on that date or after, the slight potential for confusion could be avoided. Thanks.
  • Struck comment as the potential for temporal confusion has passed without incident. - Dravecky (talk) 05:01, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 8 August 2015 (UTC).

Imademo

Created by 001Jrm (talk). Self-nominated at 06:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC).





Bridget Jones's Baby

  • ... that the production on Bridget Jones's Baby has finally begun after the development of the film since 2009?

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 02:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Created on 5 August and nominated the next day. The article is fully referenced, neutral and there is no close paraphrasing. Both hooks are interesting. Main hook and ALT1 are verified through online sources. There is no image, which is okay. QPQ done. Good to go.Krish Talk 16:06, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I removed this from prep because the original hook has grammatical issues that I can't solve: "after the development of the film since 2009" doesn't read well and I can't come up with another version on the fly. The ALT1 hook also has some minor problems, but I could probably have substituted it if it had been adequately sourced. Unfortunately, it wasn't; the source merely says it could be based on columns author Helen Fielding wrote in 2005 and 2006 for The Independent which is speculative at best. Further, while Fielding has written a third novel about Bridget Jones, it is not Fielding's third novel: she wrote one before the first Jones book and at least one other non-Jones book before the third one, which was published in 2013. But the BBC source is also at the end of a highly problematic sentence, and there were too many other prose issues in the article to ignore; this needs a copyedit before it can appear on the main page. A possible version of ALT1, assuming a definitive source can be found for the movie being based on the columns from The Independent:
Only after I had pulled the hook did I realize that contrary to what the review says, I don't see any evidence that a QPQ has been done. Captain Assassin! hasn't listed one anywhere on this page. A QPQ must be supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: QPQ's done. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 02:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on August 7[edit]

Black siskin, Black-chinned siskin, Thick-billed siskin, Olivaceous siskin

Black siskin
Black siskin

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg All are sufficiently expanded and meet core content policies. The only comment I have is that the Black-chinned siskin lives at altitudes of only 4900 feet, which may or may not be considered high altitude, depending on who you ask. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 16:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
@Jakec: Good point! It would probably be better if I removed the black-chinned siskin from this hook and nominated it separately. Not sure how to do this. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: I've fixed the hook and the various templates on this page, though the promoter may want to see that I've done it right. Did you want to come you with a standalone hook for the black-chinned siskin? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 11:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I will nominate it in the ordinary way with the comment that it has been split off this multiple hook. Do you want to give this hook a tick? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:27, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg All right. The remaining three articles have the hook fact cited to an RS. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 12:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Killer Instinct Gold

Improved to Good Article status by Czar (talk). Self-nominated at 18:08, 13 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This newly promoted GA is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I did not detect any copyright issues. I suggest you redesign the hook however. When I clicked on what I thought was the article to be reviewed I ended up with Killer Instinct 2, a largely unreferenced, copiously-tagged article. Perhaps you could try ALT1, or something different entirely. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:23, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Nintendo developed Killer Instinct Gold as a Super Nintendo exclusive with no arcade release planned?





Articles created/expanded on August 8[edit]

Anthony Anderson (basketball)

Anthony Anderson
Anthony Anderson

5x expanded by TempleM (talk). Self-nominated at 17:07, 15 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed and the hook cited. I have struck ALT1 as not having an inline citation. The article is neutral and does not contain close paraphrasing as far as I can see. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


Doris Cole

Doris Cole
Doris Cole
  • ... that Doris Cole (pictured) wrote the first book on female architects from the United States?

Created by Pmcborn (talk). Nominated by Rainbow unicorn (talk) at 04:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article meets most of the requirements for DYK and the hook is interesting. However, there are a lot citation-needed tags for her publications. The hook fact is cited, but the tags should be addressed. --Al Ameer (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
@Al Ameer son: I have replaced some of the tags with references, now most items in the "Selected projects" section are cited. And I have left a message on the article creator's talk page asking to help out, he seems to have access to offline sources. This is about as much as I can do about the tags. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 05:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you, it's much better now. The most important thing is that the hook is sourced (as is the overwhelming majority of the article). Length, date, QPQ check, no detected copyvio. Good to go. --Al Ameer (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Counter-apologetics

Created by Brianhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:14, 11 August 2015 (UTC).

QPQ performed 10 August: Template:Did you know nominations/Kim Kardashian: Hollywood Brianhe (talk) 01:50, 11 August 2015 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on August 9[edit]

Orthodoxy in Bosnia and Herzegovina

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 13:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article is an expansion but I don't believe it has been sufficiently expanded for DYK. It was 951 B immediately before expansion and is now 3780 B which is not a five-fold increase. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
You are right. This is rather embarrassing. I'll get to it shortly. Surtsicna (talk) 10:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Let me know when you are ready, and I will finish the review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)






Devil Pray

The drug Ecstasy
The drug Ecstasy

Improved to Good Article status by FanofPopMusic (talk) and IndianBio (talk). Nominated by Calvin999 (talk) at 13:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Passes article requirements: passed GA review and nominated on the same day, long enough, and has no major issues. Passes hook requirements: under 200 characters, interesting, cited in article, and neutrally written. Passes other requirements: QPQ verified, the image is used in the article and is public domain. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 04:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

William H. Warner

Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 02:57, 9 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New at time of nomination. Long enough (7000+). No apparent copyvio, plagarism or close paraphrasing concerns. It's a little tricky to assess the article's sources since many of them seem to be print sources I can't access, but those I can access seem to support the broad strokes and the print sources themselves appear to be high quality. Ditto for the hook: I can't access the exact sources used to support it but I can see it corroborated elsewhere. Hook itself is interesting. No flagged issues on the article or readily apparent ones like NPOV. QPQ is good. Approved! Nsteffel (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 11[edit]

Mountain degu

  • ... that the mountain degu does not drink but obtains sufficient water from its diet?

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 05:22, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

Kyra Vasiliki

Portrait of Kira Vassiliki
Portrait of Kira Vassiliki
Reviewed: Blanche of Artois.Alexikoua (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Created by Brandmeister (talk) and Alexikoua (talk). Nominated by Alexikoua (talk) at 08:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Checked for date, size, copyvio, and QPQ. The first part of the hook is verified by an inline citation. AGF on the second part which is cited to a foreign language source. Vensatry (ping) 19:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Tetramethyldiborane, Trimethyldiborane, Methyldiborane, Dimethyldiborane

Moved to mainspace by Graeme Bartlett (talk). Self-nominated at 02:39, 17 August 2015 (UTC).


The Dawn of Love (painting)

The Dawn of Love
The Dawn of Love
  • ... that The Dawn of Love (pictured) has been described as "one of the most unpardonable sins against taste"?

Created by Iridescent (talk). Self-nominated at 15:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, no obvious copyvio or NPOV issues. Hook seems ok. QPQ and image are ok too. --AntanO 06:14, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

President Evil

Dianna Agron
Dianna Agron

Improved to Good Article status by BenLinus1214 (talk). Nominated by Sovereign Sentinel (talk) at 08:30, 14 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Recently promoted GA, no copy-vio found, QPQ done, hook is neutral and cited inline. Vensatry (ping) 17:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Machali (tigress)

Machali, Queen Mother of tigers
Machali, Queen Mother of tigers
  • ... that tigress Machali (pictured) won the "Lifetime Achievement Award" of Travel Operators For Tigers due to her contribution to conservation and tourist attraction that earned significant economy to India?

Created by AntanO (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC).

Syntorial

  • ... that musician Joe Hanley made Syntorial because he wanted to make something that would teach the user how to design synthesizer patches by ear?

Created by EditorE (talk). Self-nominated at 13:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC).

Kadmat Island

Shore line of Kadmat Island
Shore line of Kadmat Island
  • ... that the Kadmat Island (pictured), which lies off the west coast of India, resembles a "tear drop", has pristine marine wildlife and is the only island where non-Indian tourists are allowed to visit?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self-nominated at 06:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC).



William Keolaloa Kahānui Sumner

High Chief William Keolaloa Sumner
High Chief William Keolaloa Sumner

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 07:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. Either hook would do but I prefer the original hook. The image is in the public domain and the article is neutral, but I was not able to check for close paraphrasing because most of the sources were not available to me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on August 12[edit]

Banded butterflyfish

Banded butterflyfish
Banded butterflyfish

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article was 5x expanded on the date of submission, the article is just over 1500 characters, no policy violations, claim is cited via inline citation (source supports assertion), image is licensed via CC, and QPQ is satisfied. The hook is under 200 characters and interesting, but perhaps it would be even more catchy if you said " ... that the Portugese butterfly cleans fish?" I'm not sure what the rules are for using alternate names for fish in DYK hooks, but it might bring more readers/viewers if you say a "butterfly" acts as a cleaning fish (although the joke may be ruined if you include a picture of a fish). Whatever you decide to do, the hook is good to go. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:44, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Last use of capital punishment in Spain

  • ... that the last use of capital punishment in Spain provoked international demonstrations and protests against the Spanish government, including the withdrawal of ambassadors and the destruction and firebombing of Spanish embassies?

Created/expanded by Valenciano (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 16 August 2015 (UTC).


Carden Wallace

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 12:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC).





Everything Starts With An 'E'

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 09:56, 12 August 2015 (UTC).

  • ALT1 ... that despite being banned by the BBC, E-Zee Possee and MC Kinky's "Everything Starts With An 'E'" was once played by Dave Pearce on his BBC Radio 2 show "Dance Years"? --Launchballer 10:03, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I'm noticing problems with formatting for some of the citations. Access dates are missing for some of the web-based sources, and citation #7 has a very improper citation format. The lead and overall writing of the article looks fine, though. 和DITOREtails 13:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I copied a number of references from MC Kinky, which I wrote during a time where I had no idea how to form references properly. They've all been updated into cite templates.--Launchballer 14:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
One of the background vocalists, Boy George, has recently been confirmed as a judge on The Voice UK. Before I start adding bits and writing new hooks, is it worth capitalising upon this? I've added accessdates, in any event.--Launchballer 22:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
It's not really necessary to the article, so I wouldn't add it. 和DITOREtails 19:38, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


1954 Guatemalan coup d'état

Improved to Good Article status by Vanamonde93 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Nominated in time, well written, inline cited, main hook is interesting, within policy, and QPQ is done. Good to go. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 02:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on August 13[edit]

Ralph Townsend

  • ... that Ralph Townsend was described as "the most adamant and extreme of the voices in America defending Japanese policy"?

Improved to Good Article status by CurtisNaito (talk). Nominated by Sovereign Sentinel (talk) at 16:06, 15 August 2015 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg @CurtisNaito: @Sovereign Sentinel: This is a GA that has a lot of similar phrasing to [http://www.general-books.net/sw2.cfm?q=Ralph_Townsend this

reference]. Not sure who copied whom? Can you explain? Victuallers (talk) 14:40, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I am the primary contributor to the article, and I was not aware of general-books.net at the time I wrote it.CurtisNaito (talk) 16:32, 27 August 2015 (UTC) Thanks for the reply. Can you confirm that this text (general-books.net) is copied without attribution from your original text? Victuallers (talk) 12:29, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
@Victuallers: The general-books.net page mentions our Wikipedia article as the "Source"; it is copied from us. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:24, 1 September 2015 (UTC)







Articles created/expanded on August 14[edit]

Upendra Nath Das

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 16:59, 19 August 2015 (UTC).


List of international goals scored by Wayne Rooney

  • Reviewed: To follow

Created by The Rambling Man (talk). Nominated by Vensatry (talk) at 07:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

Varaha Upanishad

Varaha
Varaha

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self-nominated at 08:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC).


Doorathu Idi Muzhakkam, Nizhalgal

  • Reviewed: To follow
  • Comment: Doorathu Idi Muzhakkam (new), Nizhalgal (expanded)

Created/expanded by Vensatry (talk). Self-nominated at 19:05, 15 August 2015 (UTC).




Kuala Terengganu

Kuala Terengganu
Kuala Terengganu

Improved to Good Article status by Fikku fiq (talk). Nominated by Sovereign Sentinel (talk) at 08:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Expansion isn't long enough to qualify. Neither main nor alt are interesting in any way I can see. SkywalkerPL (talk) 09:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
    • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg WP:WIADYK states: "Articles designated as Good articles within the past seven days, regardless of whether they were expanded, are also eligible." This article has been promoted to GA status within the past 7 days, so it meets the DYK criteria. Feel free to suggest another hook. sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 12:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on August 15[edit]

Talavera Vernon Anson AND Charles Orlando Bridgeman

HMS Rattlesnake
HMS Rattlesnake

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 15:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svgSymbol confirmed.svg - both expanded in the appropriate timeframe and of sufficient size. Both written neutrally and clear of copyvios according to Earwig's tool. Hook is referenced and is faithful to source. Not a hugely interesting hook but sorta works well with the picture. Good to go x 2. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Alexandru Lambrior

  • ... that Romanian philologist Alexandru Lambrior, the son of an orphan, was himself an orphan who left three young sons when he died?

Created by Biruitorul (talk). Self-nominated at 01:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. I have struck some of the hooks as being less interesting or as lacking inline citations. The article is neutral but the sources are not available to me so the hook facts are accepted in good faith, and I was unable to consider copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:10, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Statue of Amy Winehouse

Winehouse's statue in 2014
Winehouse's statue in 2014
  • ... that a statue of Amy Winehouse (pictured) was designed to convey her "attitude and strength, but also give subtle hints of insecurity"?

Created by Gareth E Kegg (talk), Ham II (talk), and Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Gareth E Kegg (talk) at 18:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Passes article requirements: created then nominated the next day, long enough, and has no major issues. Passes hook requirements: under 200 characters, interesting, cited in article, and neutrally written. Passes other requirements: QPQ verified, image is available under a free license and is used in the article. Only thing needed is the "(pictured)" notifier. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 23:40, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg If you remove the quotes from the character count it is nowhere near long enough; it's less than 1000 characters. Belle (talk) 00:47, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I didn't know that quotes don't count, it was roughly 2000 characters total for the version I reviewed. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 01:52, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I think DYKCheck doesn't exclude the quotes unless they are in a blockquote template of some kind, so you have to watch out for that if you are using it to check the length. Belle (talk) 01:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Rainbow unicorn, Belle Quotes are part of the character count. It's only block quotes that don't count, and probably because of the formatting, per Supplementary Guidelines: A2: The prose portion of the article, which must be 1500 characters, excludes (in addition to categories listed in the rules) block quotes, headers, images and captions, the "See also" section if any, the references section, Table of Contents, edit buttons and all superscript like [6] and [citation needed]. The regular Rules and Reviewing Guide don't mention quotes at all, except to say they need citations. We've had many articles with quotes in the paragraph body, that were counted as part of the character count. My goodness, can you imagine cherry picking out inline quotes, and doing a manual deletion from the character count, on every article where there are quotes? — Maile (talk) 00:09, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Maile66, the entire "Reception" section is comprised of two quotes; just because they aren't enclosed in a template to tag them as blockquotes doesn't mean they aren't blockquotes. I'm not proposing that we go through every line of an article to remove anything in quotation marks before counting, but when entire sections are converted to "qualifying prose" by adding "X said" in front of a blockquote that's not on. @Gareth E Kegg, Ham II, and Another Believer: Belle (talk) 07:34, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I'll try and expand the prose to 1,500 characters. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 21:45, 24 August 2015 (UTC)




Yawkey (MBTA station)

An inbound MBTA train arrives at the new Yawkey station in March 2014.
An inbound MBTA train arrives at the new Yawkey station in March 2014.
  • ... that because of a location on a tight curve, one of the side platforms at Yawkey Station (pictured) is located in between the tracks?

Improved to Good Article status by Pi.1415926535 (talk). Nominated by Sportsguy17 (talk) at 14:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC).

  • This is less of something I can answer. I assumed that to be an island platform, it had to serve both sides, but I'm pinging Pi.1415926535 to see if he knows (he got the article to GA status). Sportsguy17 (TC) 19:28, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
The outbound platform was at no point intended to be an island platform - the curve is far too sharp to platform cars on it from the inbound track. I'd argue that's different from the others in your link, where they were formerly an island platform or intended to be. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:57, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Sure. I'm not sure either definition of platform type fits very well, actually, but you have to call it something. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I totally understand why you'd think that, but they intended for it to be a side platform (albeit that's the fun of this: it's such an unusual and perplexing design). Sportsguy17 (TC) 15:20, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @David Eppstein: @Pi.1415926535: Just wanted to make sure no one forgot about this. What's the deal with this DYK nomination as of right now? Sportsguy17 (TC) 12:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It still needs an actual review. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:57, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on August 16[edit]

The Star, St John’s Wood

The Star in 2012
The Star in 2012
  • Reviewed: to be done
  • Comment: other hooks always welcome

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:56, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Several issues: Created on August 16 at 00:34, not nominated until 22:56, 23 August, so that's technically more than seven days since creation (don't know how strict they are about this; when I'm past 168 hours since creation/expansion, I never submit it). Still classed as a stub. Needs a tiny bit more expansion to be a start and an objective reclassification, IMHO. I'd build the lede to three or four sentences. Seems to meet neutrality and citation guides. On my first pass, I see some close paraphrasing that needs work. The second paragraph is almost word-for-word from the source given. Go over all the text before I come back to check up. Hook seems to meet length and format, seems interesting, neutral and accurate based on provided source. BusterD (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Marcus Cooper (property developer)

Cambridge Terrace, London
Cambridge Terrace, London
  • ... that in 2013, Marcus Cooper bought seven houses in central London (pictured) to create a £200 million "supermansion", and sold it to fellow property developer Christian Candy in 2014?
  • Reviewed: to be done
  • Comment: other hooks welcome

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 21:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

Radio in Mexico

  • ... that more than 70% of all Mexican radio stations operate on the FM band?

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 03:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

Murder of Shuja Khanzada

Created by Wikimandia (talk), Mar4d (talk), and محمد افضل (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 23:47, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

  • As someone who contributed significantly to this page, I don't feel it's appropriate for a DYK. A bit too morbid and disrespectful of the dead IMHO. An updated hook can be used for ITN. МандичкаYO 😜 01:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, the ITN nomination was late, and many unrelated news from the same day of the incident were posted on ITN. Therefore, the story is... running out of its time to be posted. Once archived, it'll be too late. As for these hooks, I'll add more without being morbid and disrespectful:
  • I wasn't able to add details of the explosion, but I'm trying my best. George Ho (talk) 03:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Chilean rock rat

  • ... that the Chilean rock rat stores food for use when the ground is covered with snow?

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 05:57, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Solid article on a not very spectacular animal, long enough etc, few but good sources. The hook is too unspectacular, - many animals store food that way ;) - How about mentioning the region or forst type to which the creatures are restricted? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Cute! Thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


Vuk, Ban of Bosnia

  • ... that a Wolf was placed on the throne of Bosnia in 1366 and remained the official ruler for a year?

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 10:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC).


Yogendra Nath Baitha

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 16:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC).

William Hood Dunwoody

Portrait of William Hood Dunwoody by Julian Russell Story
Portrait of William Hood Dunwoody by Julian Russell Story

Created by SusanLesch (talk). Self-nominated at 01:39, 19 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Comment I'm sure Lucretia is "called one of the best Rembrandts in the United States" but the only ref here is a museum publication from 1922, which I can't see. Also chunks of the article should be integrated into Minneapolis Institute of Art (not a DYK requirement). Johnbod (talk) 15:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Johnbod. You're right I neglected a citation. It's there now! P.S. Moved some to the MIA article. There's an argument for moving the gallery but I don't know the context well enough to do that (MIA may have several or many million dollar donors). -SusanLesch (talk) 14:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Attack on Titan: Junior High

Created by G S Palmer (talk). Self-nominated at 15:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC).


David Denson

Created by Muboshgu (talk), Bagumba (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu at 18:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Comment I'm striking the main hook, as it is too restrictive. It might incorrectly imply that there have been Major League Baseball players that have come out.—Bagumba (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Make it clear that a reviewer is needed (I only commented).—Bagumba (talk) 07:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)



Suillus luteus

Suillus luteus
Suillus luteus

Improved to Good Article status by Sasata (talk) and Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 10:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Hook interesting, image good, Article long enough, and everything else is good.Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 00:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)


Winnie the Pooh: Adventures in the 100 Acre Wood

Created by Nomader (talk). Self-nominated at 16:45, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 17[edit]

Geoxus

  • ... that the long-clawed mole mouse lives in forests, tussock grassland, marshes and wet meadows in the far south of South America?

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Seems to be less than 1500 characters prose? Also regarding the hook, is it accurate to say that "tussock grass" (in original source) is same as "tussocky grassland" (in article and hook)? Can't tussock grass exist also outside grasslands? Other than that, hook and sourcing seems ok, also no copyvio.--Staberinde (talk) 15:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Note: according to DYKcheck, the article has 1646 prose characters, and qualifies as a 5x expansion. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh sorry, for some reason I had memory that whitespaces don't count, it has been a while since I did DYKs. So yeah, character count is ok then, only question about grass stands.--Staberinde (talk) 14:24, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
@Staberinde: I have changed "tussocky grassland" to "tussock grassland" in both hook and article and have wikilinked it in the article. Is that better? I need to use different wording from the source so as not to close paraphrase it, but that may result in subtle changes of meaning. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth:, yes I am aware of close paraphrasing aspect. What caught my attention was in Tussock (grass) statement: "Tussock and bunch grasses occur in almost any habitat where other grasses are found, including: grasslands, savannas and prairies, wetlands and estuaries, riparian zones, shrublands and scrublands, woodlands and forests, montane and alpine zones, tundra and dunes, and deserts." In this context using only "grassland" may potentially be too limiting. As I personally don't really see any clear synonyms for the term "tussock grass" without risking a change in meaning, I believe that WP:LIMITED applies here. That said, I definitely don't claim to be an expert on this issue, so if you feel that this concern is unfounded then I am willing to trust your judgement.--Staberinde (talk) 15:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
What the source actually says is "In Saxegothaea bamboo in Nothofagus forests, and in tussock grass, marshes and wet meadows." However, Saxegothaea and bamboo are not the same thing, and the tussock grass sounds like its meant to be a habitat. Maybe we should go for something else entirely like
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Yes, with that alternative hook it should be okay.--Staberinde (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Note: striking original, problematic hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


Abrothrix olivaceus

  • ... that the olive grass mouse lives in diverse habitats and is preyed on by owls, other birds and foxes?
  • Reviewed: Eastern Orthodoxy in Bosnia and Herzegovina

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is neutral and sources have been cited properly. Hook is short and pretty straight to the point, and supported by properly cited references. And a quick check on this page has proven that you have done you QPQ. But, has this article actually expanded five-fold? Before it was expanded by you, the size was 2,291 Bytes and your last edit has put the number to 4,605 bytes. Once this issue has been resolved, this article is good to go. :) SyFuelIgniteBurned 15:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Careless of me! According to the page size usually used in DYK it was 554 B before expansion and is now 2020 B, so I need to add at least another 700 B or so. I will see what I can do tomorrow. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Right now the article's prose portion stands at 409 words, before it was 88 words. 31 more words, and I think you should be done. :D SyFuelIgniteBurned 07:38, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure you are measuring it correctly, but it should be OK now whichever way the expansion is measured. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg I copy and paste the prose parts to Word. It's easier for me to check and count the words. Lol! Yup, I think the article is good to go.SyFuelIgniteBurned 09:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


Nichole Mead, Rachel Berry (Miss Oregon)

Nichole Mead, Miss Oregon 2012
Nichole Mead, Miss Oregon 2012

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self-nominated at 09:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks for these two articles and the double hook which are both long enough and are referenced and this goes for the interesting hook too. They are neutral and they avoid paraphrasing I could spot with refs I looked at or each other. Image is free and by the author. My only issue is the over the top referencing. Some points have 4 or 5 references - this isn't required. 39 references for a short article? Its not a DYK requirement to have a reasonable amount of reffing so these are both gtg but please consider citing just enough? Victuallers (talk) 12:21, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! In most of those cases, each citation covers only a part of the sentence or I'm backing up a primary source with a reliable third-party source. I do realize it can seem a bit extreme in some cases. - Dravecky (talk)


Public Health Reports

Cover of a reprint of the first issue of Bulletins of the Public Health, the original name of Public Health Reports
Cover of a reprint of the first issue of Bulletins of the Public Health, the original name of Public Health Reports
  • ... that Public Health Reports was established in 1878 to meet the requirements of the National Quarantine Act which required American consulates abroad to reports on epidemic diseases?

Created by Headbomb (talk) and David Eppstein (talk). Nominated by Headbomb (talk) at 22:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC).


Michael Douglas on stage and screen

Michael Douglas at the Cannes Film Festival, 2013
Michael Douglas at the Cannes Film Festival, 2013

5x expanded by Skr15081997 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Comment Personally, I find this hook boring. Michael Douglas is a well known living actor, and it should surprise very few people that he's won an Oscar for Wall Street, unless they know nothing absolutely nothing about him, in which case I doubt they care about his Oscar. I would suggest using the first sentence of the lead, ALT1 ... that American actor and producer Michael Douglas began his film career with an uncredited role in Cast a Giant Shadow (1966)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headbomb (talkcontribs) 12:43, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, the proposed hook is much better, I have no issues with it. --Skr15081997 (talk) 14:38, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Casaleia

Casaleia eocenica
Casaleia eocenica
  • ... that the fossil ant species Casaleia longiventris was described in 1849, but the genus Casaleia (fossil pictured) was not named until 1990?

5x expanded by Kevmin (talk) and Burklemore1 (talk). Nominated by Kevmin (talk) at 21:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC).




Articles created/expanded on August 18[edit]

Province of Catanzaro, Province of Crotone

  • ... that organised crime is alleged to take place in the Italian provinces of Catanzaro and Crotone?

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 12:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC).


Province of Medio Campidano

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 06:17, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Province of Fermo

  • ... that the Province of Fermo was established in 2004, reorganisation of the Marche region having been advocated in 1861?

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 05:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Red-banded fruiteater, Handsome fruiteater

Red-banded fruiteater
Red-banded fruiteater

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 05:17, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Mohale Dam

Mohale Dam
Mohale Dam
  • ... that the Mohale Dam (pictured) was awarded the 2005 Fulton Awards by the Concrete Society of South Africa as having the "Best Construction Engineering Project and Best Construction Technique"?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 07:43, 24 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is a fivefold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook fact is reliably sourced. The image is appropriately licensed and the article is neutral. Many of the sources are not available to me, but the ones I checked showed no close paraphrasing. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


Band-tailed fruiteater, Fiery-throated fruiteater, Masked fruiteater, Black-chested fruiteater, Green-and-black fruiteater, Barred fruiteater, Orange-breasted fruiteater, Golden-breasted fruiteater

Band-tailed fruiteater
Band-tailed fruiteater

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

Louis I of Hungary

Louis the Hungarian (by Jan Matejko)
Louis the Hungarian (by Jan Matejko)

Improved to Good Article status by Borsoka (talk) and Simboyd (talk). Nominated by Borsoka (talk) at 05:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This newly promoted GA is both long enough and nominated in time. The article is neutral, but the sources are almost entirely offline, so the hook facts are accepted in good faith and I could not check for copyright issues. I favour ALT1 and have struck the other two hooks. There are plenty of images in the article but this is not one of them and so cannot be used. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:05, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


MS Sinfra

  • ... that when the cargo ship Sinfra was bombed by Allied aircraft in 1943, the German guards machine-gunned the thousands of Italian prisoners on board when they tried to escape the sinking vessel?

5x expanded by Manxruler (talk). Nominated by Manxruler (talk) at 17:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Flattered as I am to be co-nominated, my contribution amounts to ¾ of a paragraph, so I'm withdrawing my name from this nom. Manxruler has put in all the hard work. Mjroots (talk) 09:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

People of Ditch

Created by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 10:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article was created by the nominator in July and expanded five-fold in August. It is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral but the sources are in Arabic or unavailable to me. The original hook is unacceptable because the source is another Wikipedia article. ALT1 is OK and has an inline citation for the hook facts. The article has a copyedit tag but I consider the prose acceptable. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Du'a Arafah

Created by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 10:39, 22 August 2015 (UTC).



Korrie Layun Rampan

Korrie Layun Rampan
Korrie Layun Rampan
  • ... that Korrie Layun Rampan (pictured), author of several hundred books, left an election commission to run in the election?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:46, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Long enough, new enough, neutral, QPQ done, no copyvio or text-stealing sins committed from the sources I could access/understand (approaching zero). Hook fact is cited. Image is free to use and visible at DYK size (I would use it; he's a happy-looking chap and has great taste in shirts). Bersertifikat intergalaksi, or ready to go at least. Belle (talk) 10:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Comment: The end of the hook doesn't make sense unless you read it a few times. And the part about being an author doesn't really connect. If you're going for the image slot, how about something more hooky:
  • ALT1: ... that Indonesian novelist Korrie Layun Rampan (pictured), author of several hundred books, has a personal collection of approximately 25,000 volumes? Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Personally, I found the original hook perfectly understandable and hookier, but smeh. Harrias talk 19:51, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I found the original hook perfectly understandable too. Maybe we could drop the author clause if you want a shorter, punchier hook. ALT1 is fine too, but not as hooky IM(never-knowingly humble)O. Crisco 1492, up to you. Belle (talk) 19:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Maybe if it said "left an election commission to run in an election" it would read better. Or maybe not. I'm just really confused by it. Yoninah (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
  • "The" implies that it was the same election he was supervising. "An" could mean an election elsewhere. Hence why I chose "the". Not a fan of dropping the "author" clause, as he is ridiculously productive. At the book launch I attended, he claimed he had the manuscripts for fifty more books on his laptop waiting to be finalized and sent to the publishers. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg OK, it seems consensus is not going in my direction. Restoring tick per Belle's review. Yoninah (talk) 08:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


Toni von Langsdorff

Created by Keilana (talk). Self-nominated at 06:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I do have concerns about the sourcing here. Most of the content is drawn from the Biographical Dictionary of Women in Science, which appears to be itself drawn from Women physicians of the world: autobiographies of medical pioneers. Women physicians... is a collection of autobiographies, including von Langsdorff, which means that most of the content of this article seems to ultimately be drawn from something she herself wrote. Since I can't see the extent to which the Biographical Dictionary... based its content on Langsdorff's auotobiography (I'm unsure whether it's directy copied or just uses Langsdorff as its source) I'm going to be charitable and assume that the dictionary's ediotors did due dilligence in fact-checking the information. Even then, however, I'm not convinced that this presents the necessary level of coverage to meet the notabilty guidlines. Better sourcing would be a major improvement, although I recognise that this isn't an easy subject to locate sources for.
That aside, the article is long enough and recent enough for DYKa and is neutrally phrased. The hook is a suitable length and is interesting, although only the second part is directly supported by a citation at the end of the relevant sentence. QPQ is done.
Two (related) issues need to be addressed; firstly a citation at the end of the sentence about her sister's illness (easy) and secondly an attempt to locate more sources to ensure that this meets WP:N (not so easy). Yunshui  13:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
@Yunshui: Hi! Thanks for reviewing this so quickly! :) So the Biographical Dictionary did source from her autobiography, but Ogilvie and Harvey are the two leading scholars working on the history of women in science and, frankly, I would argue that anyone listed in the book is notable. Nothing in the book is directly copied from other sources, and they also use a number of standard sources listed at the beginning of the book, which may or may not be accessible on Google Books. Unfortunately, most of the other sources about her life are in German books, which I can't really access - the one website I found is from a university and managed to get through it with machine translation. I think her work founding the Medical Women's International Association (which will have an article as soon as I write it tonight - it's quite, quite notable) is enough to establish her notability as an early female physician. Best, Keilana|Parlez ici 17:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svgYeah, having looked into it it seems there are a fair number of reliable sources in German (lots of Gbooks snippets out there). Might be an idea to get a German-speaking editor on board to help flesh it out, but I'm pretty convinced that she is in fact notable. Since that was my main objection, and you've dealt with the citation, I reckon this is okay to promote. Yunshui  18:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 19[edit]

Province of Pordenone, Province of Udine

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 11:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Both articles are new enough, long enough, and well written. QPQ is done (two articles), no copyvio found. However, when I try to verify the hook fact, the reference (used in both articles) turns out to be a dead link. Could you please fix that? -Zanhe (talk) 04:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I have reformulated the citation. The document is still online but I couldn't find a satisfactory url for it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg I can't find any online link of the source supporting the hook fact, but I did find other online sources that mention springs in the Karst region nearby. So I'm accepting the offline source AGF. Good to go. -Zanhe (talk) 21:42, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

The Thompson Twins Adventure

Created by Thibbs (talk). Self-nominated at 10:32, 26 August 2015 (UTC).


Province of Varese

  • ... that products from the Province of Varese include goat's milk cheeses, a local variety of asparagus, chestnuts, berries, wine and honey?

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 09:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg 5x expanded, long enough, neutral, verifiable (AGF since two major sources are offline), no close paraphrasing or copyvios detected. Hook short enough and cited (AGF for book source). I question how interesting the hook is, though. Few people would find a listing of local products interesting, barring an oddity on the list. On the other hand, the history section of this article is quite interesting. Would it be possible to propose a hook from that information? ~ RobTalk 21:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I didn't write the history section or have access to the source, but how about
  • Symbol voting keep.svg AGF on offline source. That hook is much more interesting. ALT1 good to go. ~ RobTalk 09:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


Province of Ravenna, Province of Forlì-Cesena

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 06:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Article is long enough, assumed to be expanded 5x (as noted by DYK check), neutral, short reference list but seemingly reliable. Hook has inline citation (in the sentence following the assertion) - reference [3] is a book, so citation is taken in good faith. QPQ completed by Cwmhiraeth. Image is in Creative Commons. No apparent copyright violations detected. I'm still a beginning reviewer, but this seems good to go. SojoQ (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Province of Ferrara

  • ... that the success of Fascism in the Province of Ferrara in 1921 set in train its transformation into a major political movement?

5x expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 05:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and well written. Hook fact is verified with inline reference. QPQ is done. No copyvio found. Good to go. -Zanhe (talk) 04:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Charles P. Casey

Josephine Tilden

Josephine Tilden
Josephine Tilden
  • ... that a biography of the much-travelled Professor, Josephine Tilden, was titled "Algae of Acrimony"?

Created by Megalibrarygirl and Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 11:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length and date of posting are in order. References to all hooks verified. QPQ done. Img is freely licensed. No copy vio noted and article's prose is neutral. I find the original hook interesting and good to go.Nvvchar" 21 August 2015.

John Kevan McDowall

Created by Barnbywolf (talk). Self-nominated at 15:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. Hook is interesting and short enough, but cited to an offline source. QPQ is not necessary, since this is the user's first DYK nomination. sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 05:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Ernest Deane

Capt Ernest Deane, MC
Capt Ernest Deane, MC

5x expanded by FunkyCanute (talk). Self-nominated at 12:36, 20 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg A1: New enough. A2: Long enough (expanded). A3: Neutral. Cites sources (although one of the sources is a bare URL, which needs to be fixed). No copy-vio found.
H1: Short enough hook. H2: I find the hook interesting, it is cited (partly to off-line sources), and it is neutral.
QPQ is in order.
Image seems fine.
Good to go, once that bare URL is fixed. Manxruler (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • That bare url is now fixed.FunkyCanute (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Wi-Fi deauthentication attack

Created by Brianhe (talk). Self-nominated at 05:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Long and new enough (relative to the date of this nomination), all non-lead paragraphs have inline citations, content of the hook is backed with inline citations to reliable sources in the article, QPQ review performed, checks for copyvio (e.g. [26]) reveals no problems. North America1000 09:00, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

United States v. Drayton

Justice David Souter
Justice David Souter

Created by Notecardforfree (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC).



Articles created/expanded on August 20[edit]

Henry Lowenfeld

Kops Brewery, Fulham
Kops Brewery, Fulham
  • ... that in 1890, Henry Lowenfeld, a Polish immigrant, established the UK's first brewer of non-alcoholic beer, in Fulham, London (pictured)?
  • Reviewed: to be done
  • Comment: other hooks welcome

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC).

Allen Jones (artist)

5x expanded by Earflaps (talk) and Fuebaey (talk). Nominated by Fuebaey (talk) at 07:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC).

Diabougou (Senegal)

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 12:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Photograph (Ed Sheeran song)

  • ALT1:... that "Photograph" was the first first properly finished record for Ed Sheeran's second studio album?
  • ALT2:... that Ed Sheeran played "Photograph", over two years before its single release, to a German radio station without being recorded?
  • Comment: Expanded the article's prose immensely. QPQ to follow.

5x expanded by Efe (talk). Self-nominated at 13:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC).


harper by Harper's Bazaar

Created/expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, just barely long enough, and cites its sources throughout. The hook would be more interesting if we either had an article on the Junior Bazaar or the article included a longer discussion of it, but it'll do. QPQ verified. Mackensen (talk) 12:35, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

List of international goals scored by Bobby Charlton

Bobby Charlton
Bobby Charlton

Created by Harrias (talk). Self-nominated at 10:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg article new enough and big enough, written neutrally. Sentence is cited. Source for hook is behind subscription-wall but widely known elsewhere to be true/verified. QPQ done...so good to go. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:29, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

History of West Chester, Pennsylvania

West Chester skyline
West Chester skyline
  • ... that at different times in its history, West Chester, Pennsylvania led the U.S. in production of peach trees and penicillin?

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self-nominated at 23:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. I have struck ALT1 because I find the original hook more interesting. The hook is well-cited, the article is neutral, and I detected no close-paraphrasing in the spot checks I made. The image is in the public domain but is not particularly relevant to the hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


Gary Shore

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 13:14, 20 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Comment only: article needs a light grammar/spelling polish before it can be considered. - Dravecky (talk) 06:03, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Additional comment: article will need its QPQ review, along with about half a dozen others by this nominator, some waiting for as much as four weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough. No indication of copyvio. Article is neutral and decently well written. It is well sourced except for the following:
  • Claims 1982 birthdate, but the source (this) only gives that he was 32 in November 2014.
  • It says he "started his career as a commercials director" but the source only says that he has worked as a commercial director.
Generally well written, hook is uninteresting but sourced and within the character limit. Also, as BlueMoonset noted, the nomination needs a QPQ. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 19:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, according to the source I claimed that birth year, it's no issue for now. 2nd issue resolved, and QPQ is done. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 02:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
The QPQ and second issue have been resolved, so this nom is almost ready. However, I think the claim of birthdate is still OR, since conceivably, he could have been born in 1981 and still be 32 in 11/2014. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 14:45, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
@G S Palmer: It's fixed now. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 11:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 12:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but am not finding the hook fact about the film being his feature film directorial debut in the inline cite given (footnote 8). Is it in another source? Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Great, thanks. Hook refs verified and cited inline. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 10:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 21[edit]

Blue cotinga, Lovely cotinga

Lovely cotinga. Lithograph by Joseph Wolf
Lovely cotinga. Lithograph by Joseph Wolf

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Neutral, age and length for the blue are fine; no evil text sinning (always difficult to avoid duplication of terminology, but where possible it is done); QPQs done; picture free to use and pretty; the prep builder that doesn't use it would be a fool; the original hook is a bit confusing (we wouldn't necessarily expect the lovely cotinga to be blue; if it wasn't lovely we'd be in business), so the ALT is preferred (even though sexual dimorphism isn't uncommon). Unfortunately (as far as I can see) the lovely cotinga article is nowhere near 5x expanded, so you either need to drop that (don't do that because we'll lose the lush pic) or expand it some more (it needs to be 2080 characters according to DYK Check's calcs). Belle (talk) 01:00, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
You are quite right, the second article was insufficiently expanded. I have added some more information and it should (just) be OK now. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Fab! (that is to say that any remaining problems have been resolved; both articles now met the expansion rules). I tweaked the hook a bit; I think it makes it clearer, but switch it back if you don't like it. Belle (talk) 22:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Saint Bartholomew, Brugherio

The silver reliquery
The silver reliquery
  • ALT1: have a go
  • Reviewed: tba
  • Comment: moved to main space on 21st August

Created by FrOsmetti (talk) and FoCuSandLeArN (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 16:15, 27 August 2015 (UTC).

2015 attack in Thalys train car

Thalys train in April 2014
Thalys train in April 2014
  • ... that in the Thalys train (pictured) heading to Paris, when the attacker's rifle was jammed, six passengers were able to subdue him, ending the attack with five injuries, including the attacker?

Created by Unibond (talk), Sandra opposed to terrorism (talk), Callinus (talk), and Wikimandia (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 03:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC).


Sutorius eximius

Sutorius eximius
Sutorius eximius

Created by Sasata (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 20:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svgArticle long enough and new enough. Well referenced, within policy, neutral and well written. The hook is referenced and supported. The image is correctly licensed. Good to go.--Kevmin § 23:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Bill Harvey (footballer, born 1908)

Created by Struway2 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length and date of creation and nomination all check out absolutely fine. Spotchecks reveal no evidence of copyvio or close para-phrasing. The hook fact is interesting (very much so, in fact) and appropriately cited inline. Although the reference requires subscription, I have such a subscription, so all looks good to me. Good to go (nice article!) Harrias talk 10:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Arabari

Arabari forest
Arabari forest
  • ... that greening the barren forest of Arabari (pictured) was brought about by setting up Joint Forest Management committees involving the local villagers which became an economic boon?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self-nominated at 01:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg - 5x expansion ok, age of article ok, written neutrally (I fixed some prose issues), hook cited to source and faithful to it. No copyvio detected with Earwig's tool. good to go. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:38, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Wang Guanzhong

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 00:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC).

Simaria by-election, 2008

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 16:45, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

Belle of Temagami

Belle of Temagami at Bear Island in 1926
Belle of Temagami at Bear Island in 1926
@BlueMoonset: I reviewed Sutton Creek (Susquehanna River) completely. Volcanoguy 16:16, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Created by Volcanoguy (talk). Self-nominated at 10:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, meets core content policies. Hook cited to RS. Picture appears to be in order. GTG. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 16:13, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Reshid Akif Pasha‎

Reshid Akif Pasha
Reshid Akif Pasha

Created by EtienneDolet (talk). Self-nominated at 05:02, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is long enough and posted by due date. Hook is interesting and verified by ref 11. Text is neutral. QPQ done. No copy vio noted. Img is free. Good to go.Nvvchar. 01:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: @EtienneDolet: @Nvvchar: The article is very good, but I think the hook should add a short snippet of context, namely something about Resid Akif's witnessing of the Armenian Genocide. --Al Ameer (talk) 18:57, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Al Ameer son: Hi Al Ameer, I thought by not clarifying the event in which he was ashamed for would raise readers' curiosity more and attract more people. I think you were a victim of that trap as well ;) I hope you understand. Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Nvvchar: Hello Nvvchat, Al Ameer doesn't seem to be responding. Can we have a re-review? Étienne Dolet (talk) 03:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with User:EtienneDolet that the hook as suggested attracts curiosity, and that is how I started reviewing it. I again give a green signal to retain the hook as suggested.Symbol confirmed.svg.Nvvchar. 00:59, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


Berislav Grgić

  • Reviewed: Vrtare Male
  • Comment: I've been trying to come up with a juxtaposition of his homeland by birth, ethnicity, adopted homeland and his predecessors' ethnic/national background, as well as a Catholic/Protestant juxtaposition. Feel free to suggest different phrasings.

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 16:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is a fivefold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts have inline citations to non-English language sources. The article is neutral and I made no effort to check for close paraphrasing because of the language issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Cleveland Centennial half dollar

Reverse
Reverse

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 15:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Either's fine with me.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Sophisticated article, all DYK criteria met. Sorry, I don't like the hooks too much, but perhaps you can convince me. First is boring (at least to me), unless we want to promote Cincinatti. Second is slightly too funny (at least for me). How about only one year to make it easier for collectors (and then not selling). Other suggestions welcome, unless you think the nice properly licensed image will be attractive enough, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd much rather focus on the oddity of having someone from a completely different city promote the Cleveland dollar. This has been previously commented upon ("Editor Lee Hewitt commented in the Numismatic Scrapbook, 'it seems strange that Mr. Melish, living in Cincinnati, should be the distributor of the Cleveland issue.'"). What is funny about ALT2? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • The "oddity" of it didn't strike me at all, but if you don't mind that readers unfamiliar with relations of US cities may miss it, fine,
Symbol voting keep.svg, offline sources accepted AGF, I prefer ALT1 though as closer to the picture, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 22[edit]

Mohamed Nagy Museum

  • ... that Nagy's famous painting Egyptian Revival, which had been earlier displayed in the Paris Salon and honored for it with gold medal, is housed in the Mohamed Nagy Museum?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 05:09, 30 August 2015 (UTC).

Gol Talab

Gol Talab in Dhaka
Gol Talab in Dhaka
  • ... that the Gol Talab (meaning "tank") (pictured) is an official heritage site, designated by the city administration of Dhaka?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 04:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC).

Unplugged (Siti Nurhaliza album)

Created by Syfuel (talk). Self-nominated at 16:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC).

Tachypleus tridentatus

  • ... that if the water temperature rises too much, the tri-spine horseshoe crab buries itself in the seabed and may become dormant?

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Confirmed 5x expanded. Date okay. QPQ good. Have a slight issue with the hook; the source material only mentions juveniles exhibiting this behaviour. Could we add 'juvenile' to the hook, or is there some other information indicating adults do this too? Julia\talk 04:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. How about:
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Okay to me, thanks! Good to go with ALT1. Julia\talk 20:27, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Snowy cotinga, Black-tipped cotinga, Yellow-billed cotinga

Snowy cotinga
Snowy cotinga

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 05:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC).

Trinity Chain Pier

Trinity Chain Pier
Trinity Chain Pier
  • ... that Trinity Chain Pier (pictured) was built in 1821, eaten by worms, repaired, destroyed in a storm in 1898, then became a pub where in the 1960s the landlady used weapons to chase customers away?

Created by John (talk). Self-nominated at 17:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article is new enough, easily long enough, well written, and thoroughly cited. Spot checking found no copied or closely paraphrased text. The hook is (barely) short enough after trimming from an earlier version, interesting, and properly sourced (in several places in the article). QPQ check found that would be the nominator's fourth DYK, so no QPQ needed yet. The photo appears to be out of copyright (assuming it was actually published pre-1898 and not just taken pre-1898). Good to go.

Bosnian Crusade

Mongols chasing Hungarians
Mongols chasing Hungarians

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 23:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, hook, citation (through a Google Books preview) and QPQ all check out. Image is busy, but also colorful enough to be distinguishable at a small size, and otherwise meets image criteria. Canadian Paul 18:10, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Demba Diawara

Imam Demba Diawara
Imam Demba Diawara
  • Reviewed: QPQ = Lady's Mag
  • Comment: There are two new articles here but duplication may prevent the other from being emboldened

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 12:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Interesting article. Length and date of posting are in order. Hook is interesting and verified. Text is neutral and t no copy violation noted.QPQ done. Img is freely licensed. Good to go.Nvvchar. 04:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

St. Paul's Cathedral, Kolkata