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September 2017

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Unite the Right rally. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. General Ization ^Talk 19:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

As a "student of journalism," you should know that a) Heyer's mother is not medically qualified to declare Heyer's cause of death, and b) cardiac arrest is a very common outcome of massive trauma, such as being hit by a motor vehicle, especially if accompanied by rapid and massive blood loss, e.g. traumatic amputation of an extremity. Your claim that she "suffered a fatal heart attack during the incident" implies that the trauma of being hit by a vehicle at high speed was not the direct cause of Heyer's death. Your source does nothing to support that theory. The previous statement that Heyer "was fatally injured in the attack" represents neutral point of view; your edit does not, in addition to being improperly sourced. General Ization ^Talk 19:27, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply!

a)Nonetheless, one can reasonably assume Heather's mother did not pull this information out of nowhere and being immediate family, she was most likely given this information by medical personnel. As we cannot be 100% sure, I'll reword the information to include the statement was issued by her mother. Omitting this information entirely is problematic, seeing as this is the only Wikipedia article with substantial information regarding Heather Heyer and anyone tasked with researching the incident, as I have been, will consider this to be an important detail. Also, it is not "my claim" Heather died of a heart attack, it is her mother's claim.

b)Sorry, but you are mistaken -- there is no evidence to support the claim that Heather was "hit by a vehicle at high speed." In fact, video evidence suggests she was knocked down by panicked protesters. This lends more credence to the inclusion of her mother's statements, as anyone researching this incident will certainly want to report factual information. I will revise my edit to more accurately reflect the cause of death to be assumed from her mother's statements. I have faith we can remain objective here, as the talk page seems to have devolved into nonsense. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAaliyahJones (talk • contribs) 19:56, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

There is an abundance of evidence, including eyewitness accounts and reports by law enforcement, that Heyer was hit by a vehicle at high speed. See cited sources in the article. Do not continue to introduce uncited theories in the article. If you do, you will be blocked from editing. General Ization ^Talk 20:05, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply

As we should know, eyewitness accounts are not reliable. I have checked any and all sources mentioned in the article relating to Heather's death, read through them, and have not found any evidence or reports from law enforcement that Heather herself was hit by a vehicle at high speed. The available information states that Heather died after the car plowed into another vehicle, which then hit an additional vehicle, and there were several protesters who were hit, but Heather is not specifically said anywhere to have been hit by a vehicle. Furthermore, as I have already mentioned, video evidence suggests this is not the case.

May I ask which information I have added to the article is uncited, or incorrectly cited? My sole contribution is that according to Heather's mother, she died from a heart attack, and my source is her mother speaking directly to the camera saying her daughter died from a heart attack. If you can explain how this would cause me to be blocked from editing, I would be highly appreciative. TheAaliyahJones (talk) 20:44, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

I have already addressed the question about your citation above. As currently stated (with attribution to Heyer's mother), your edit is acceptable (to me), though barely. It may not be to other editors, and, since I suspect you were also the IP who introduced this information previously and was reverted by another editor, I encourage you to review our policy concerning edit warring so you can respond appropriately if it is reverted again. [Later: It has now been reverted.] If it is, you will need to begin a discussion on the article's Talk page before introducing the information again.

Please stop posting replies on my Talk page; instead, please type your replies below. The discussion was started here and pertains to your edits, and there is no point in our trying to conduct a discussion about them on two different Talk pages simultaneously. General Ization ^Talk 20:54, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your understanding. I'm fairly new to how messages work on here, but I'm learning. Sorry about that! :) TheAaliyahJones (talk) 20:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Having reviewed your edit and your source once again, I am again reverting your edit. First, there is nothing at your video source, nothing in Heyer's mother's statement, that suggests that she was "fatally injured ... after she suffered a heart attack". Your wording suggests that Heyer's heart attack (or cardiac arrest, not necessarily the same thing) preceded the incident, when this is not what your source says and it is known not to be true. Secondly, this has already been discussed extensively at the article's Talk page: see Talk:Unite the Right rally#Cause of death. Consensus has already been established to exclude this claim. You are welcome to participate in the discussion, and to try to change the consensus, but not to edit against consensus. If you revert again, I will follow the policy outlined at WP:EW. General Ization ^Talk 21:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:33, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Unite the Right rally. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. General Ization ^Talk 20:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Please carefully read this information:

The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.

Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you that sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.

–dlthewave ☎ 21:32, 28 September 2017 (UTC)Template:Z33

• Please don't do it again, or I will block you for edit warring--unless another admin, one who's better at paperwork, comes by and gives you either a topic ban or a block based on the ArbCom decision referenced above. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Notification of Arbitration Enforcement

Hello: Please note that a request for enforcing a discretionary sanction against you has been filed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#TheAaliyahJones. Thank you, –dlthewave ☎ 22:19, 28 September 2017 (UTC)