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Courtesy warning

You have now reverted Socialist state 3x (as have I). If you make any more reversions to that article in the next 24 hours, for any reason, you will be in violation of 3RR. With your recent track record of blocks, please don't do it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:53, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And you are not following wikipedia protocol on not re-adding material after it has been reverted. You discuss... you do not re-add. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Fyunck(click): In certain cases one has to be brave, and say the truth... especially since you've still failed to say what the difference between the new one and the old version is. --TIAYN (talk) 00:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Trust_Is_All_You_Need reported by User:Fyunck(click) (Result: ). Thank you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive pinging

Please stop pinging Tarage - it's bordering on harassment. They have asked you at least three times to stop. SQLQuery me! 20:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SQL: Sorry! --TIAYN (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Excessive pinging

Once again, stop pinging. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then stop accusing me of crap I haven't done. --TIAYN (talk) 20:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

You have been blocked for 1 week for edit warring. Andrevan@ 07:16, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrevan: Where? I have not breached 3RR rule recently, and you revert my changes in retrospect. --TIAYN (talk) 07:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please revert you're edit here. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=842250952 No reason to delete my thread on that talk page... was there @Andrevan:?
You cannot unilaterally decide the usage and naming of all the pages to do with "socialist state" and "communist state" were wrong despite reliable sourcing and consensus against you. Andrevan@ 07:22, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrevan: Which reliable sources are against me? This version has https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Socialist_state&oldid=842246607 has over 120 references, all from secondary sources. --TIAYN (talk) 07:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock request

This user is asking that his block be reviewed:

Trust Is All You Need (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

@Andrevan: block is politically motivated. I proved on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard (an edit he reverted, see here [1] that nearly all references / sources use socialist states to define Marxist-Leninist states.

In addition, I find it hard to believe I was blocked when I tried to solve the discussion by involving administrators. I should be thanked for that, and not blocked. I also find utterly strange that he deleted my post on the administrators noticeboard—this is an extremely strange... why? are you censuring me? even if I'm blocked there is no reason for the discussion to end.

He also writes that I was blocked "You cannot unilaterally decide the usage and naming of all the pages to do with "socialist state" and "communist state" were wrong despite reliable sourcing and consensus against you".... I haven't! A quick search on Google proves my point.. The article I wrote, here, has over 120 references. I haven't forced my POV. I have, however, been in disagreement with two users who refuse to reference their statements that the version I wrote was POV. I followed WP:UNDUE.

The timing of this block is extremely suspect, and political! The intention is so censure me. --TIAYN (talk) 07:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying I'm perfect... but if you get blocked everytime you post something to the Admin noticeboard it is really very hard to want to do it again. Because the thanks I got was a block. --TIAYN (talk) 07:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=<span class="template-ping">@[[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]:</span> block is politically motivated. I proved on the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]] (an edit he reverted, see here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=842250952] that nearly all references / sources use socialist states to define Marxist-Leninist states. * A quick search on [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22socialist+state%22 Google Books] show that all the hits are on the Marxist–Leninist states (communist states) * The same goes with [https://scholar.google.no/scholar?hl=no&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22socialist+state%22&btnG= Google scholar] * A search on [[Jstor]] [http://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22socialist+state%22&acc=on&wc=on&fc=off&group=none every hit goes leads to Marxist-Leninist states, with the exception of a couple of hits for "National Socialist state" and one non-Marxist–Leninist article from 1909 on the "Socialist state"] * A search on [https://www.google.no/search?q=%22Socialist+state%22&rlz=1C1GCEA_enNO769NO769&oq=%22socialist+&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l3j69i60l3.1797j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Google gives strange hits on the first page (3 for WP, one for Quora, a definition, an amazon and pro and anti-socialist propaganda)].. However,from page 2 onwards nearly every link is about the Marxist–Leninist socialist state. In addition, I find it hard to believe I was blocked when I tried to solve the discussion by involving administrators. I should be thanked for that, and not blocked. I also find utterly strange that he deleted my post on the administrators noticeboard—this is an extremely strange... why? are you censuring me? even if I'm blocked there is no reason for the discussion to end. He also writes that I was blocked "You cannot unilaterally decide the usage and naming of all the pages to do with "socialist state" and "communist state" were wrong despite reliable sourcing and consensus against you".... I haven't! A quick search on Google proves my point.. The article I wrote, here, has over 120 references. I haven't forced my POV. I have, however, been in disagreement with two users who refuse to reference their statements that the version I wrote was POV. I followed [[WP:UNDUE]]. The timing of this block is extremely suspect, and political! The intention is so censure me. --[[User:Trust Is All You Need|TIAYN]] ([[User talk:Trust Is All You Need#top|talk]]) 07:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC) I'm not saying I'm perfect... but if you get blocked everytime you post something to the Admin noticeboard it is really very hard to want to do it again. Because the thanks I got was a block. --[[User:Trust Is All You Need|TIAYN]] ([[User talk:Trust Is All You Need#top|talk]]) 07:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=<span class="template-ping">@[[User:Andrevan|Andrevan]]:</span> block is politically motivated. I proved on the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]] (an edit he reverted, see here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=842250952] that nearly all references / sources use socialist states to define Marxist-Leninist states. * A quick search on [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22socialist+state%22 Google Books] show that all the hits are on the Marxist–Leninist states (communist states) * The same goes with [https://scholar.google.no/scholar?hl=no&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22socialist+state%22&btnG= Google scholar] * A search on [[Jstor]] [http://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22socialist+state%22&acc=on&wc=on&fc=off&group=none every hit goes leads to Marxist-Leninist states, with the exception of a couple of hits for "National Socialist state" and one non-Marxist–Leninist article from 1909 on the "Socialist state"] * A search on [https://www.google.no/search?q=%22Socialist+state%22&rlz=1C1GCEA_enNO769NO769&oq=%22socialist+&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l3j69i60l3.1797j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Google gives strange hits on the first page (3 for WP, one for Quora, a definition, an amazon and pro and anti-socialist propaganda)].. However,from page 2 onwards nearly every link is about the Marxist–Leninist socialist state. In addition, I find it hard to believe I was blocked when I tried to solve the discussion by involving administrators. I should be thanked for that, and not blocked. I also find utterly strange that he deleted my post on the administrators noticeboard—this is an extremely strange... why? are you censuring me? even if I'm blocked there is no reason for the discussion to end. He also writes that I was blocked "You cannot unilaterally decide the usage and naming of all the pages to do with "socialist state" and "communist state" were wrong despite reliable sourcing and consensus against you".... I haven't! A quick search on Google proves my point.. The article I wrote, here, has over 120 references. I haven't forced my POV. I have, however, been in disagreement with two users who refuse to reference their statements that the version I wrote was POV. I followed [[WP:UNDUE]]. The timing of this block is extremely suspect, and political! The intention is so censure me. --[[User:Trust Is All You Need|TIAYN]] ([[User talk:Trust Is All You Need#top|talk]]) 07:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC) I'm not saying I'm perfect... but if you get blocked everytime you post something to the Admin noticeboard it is really very hard to want to do it again. Because the thanks I got was a block. --[[User:Trust Is All You Need|TIAYN]] ([[User talk:Trust Is All You Need#top|talk]]) 07:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}
The term "socialist" is used in many different contexts across many types of sources, and your attempt to make it purely Marxist-Leninist states, which many political observers do not consider to be socialist, isn't supported by a considerable body of sourcing. See Portal:Socialism for tons of article work that use varying definitions of "socialism." You were warned and blocked previously to discuss and obtain consensus for major rewrites, redirects and moves. Andrevan@ 07:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right, the term @Andrevan: socialist.. But the term "socialist" is not the term "socialist state".. I am a socialist! I am an anti-communist. Of course I know that. We are talking about the specific term "socialist state" and not "socialist". --TIAYN (talk) 07:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, I followed WP:BOLD. I didn't think I would be blocked for doing it. @Andrevan: If you want me stop with that, I will until the discussion is over. BUt you are conflating "socialist" and "socialism" with "socialist state". --TIAYN (talk) 07:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The articles about "socialism" have described them in a nuanced way that captures many different states that describe themselves as socialist states. Not simply your specific Marxist-Leninist orthodoxy. Wikipedia does not need you to straighten this out in such a bold way. Start a discussion or an RFC. Please cool off for a week and try to do things more diplomatically. It isn't just be bold, it's "bold, revert, discuss," and you were edit warring. Andrevan@ 07:39, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrevan: Actually no It doesn't. The socialism articles uses the term "socialist state" twice, each time in relation with the Soviet Union. First time:
  • and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism
  • The rule of the provisional government was ended and the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic—the world's first constitutionally socialist state—was established. On 25 January 1918 at the Petrograd Soviet, Lenin declared "Long live the world socialist revolution

It proves im right, not you.

No I was not. I tried to collaborate with Fyunclick but he called me a terrible editor and that he didn't trust me.. I did collaborate with user Dentren. See Talk:Socialist state. --TIAYN (talk) 07:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrevan: Alas, if you had actually bothered to read the version I wrote, you would have noticed I worked on the section "Alternative conceptions of the socialist state" which, according to the plan, was going to include reformism, trotskyism and all other socialist denominations. I did not censure the non-Marxist–Leninist view. I gave it, per WP:UNDUE, the emphasise it rightfully has. --TIAYN (talk) 07:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to make a major change like this you need to start RFCs and have discussions at various WikiProjects, etc., not revert war with Pedro. Andrevan@ 07:52, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As the editor hopefully sees, this was a bad block. I did not even get a bloody warning... and the worst thing is, I have proof.. Just look at the links above.
I have not had a revert war with @Andrevan: Pedro. One revert is not a war. --TIAYN (talk) 07:53, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are a repeat offender -- you've been warned and blocked in the past for this issue. If you do a bold change and you get reverted, you shouldn't revert back -- that's edit warring. You need to then discuss the change and obtain a consensus. Otherwise, the stable status quo in the article should remain until you can discuss productively with other editors. Andrevan@ 07:55, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
YOu suddenly switched topic. Where does it say @Andrevan: that users who have been blocked in the past are supposed to be discriminated against? I did not revert back on the communist state article. THe socialist state article edit was not bold however. IT HAS OVER 120 REFERENCES WHICH BACK WHAT I AM SAYING, the old version has 30, and over half of them original Marxist texts, Trotskyist literature and constitutions. Dentren thought the article was good, and so did the majority of readers I assume. --TIAYN (talk) 07:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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