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Anarchism

Hi UrielAcosta,

I saw your work on articles related to anarchism and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to watch our noticeboard for Wikipedia's coverage of anarchism, which is a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to anarchism. Take a look for yourself!

And if you're looking for other juicy places to edit, consider expanding a stub, adopting a cleanup category, or participating in one of our current formal discussions.

Feel free to say hi on my talk page and let me know if these links were helpful (or at least interesting). Hope to see you around. czar 16:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. UrielAcosta (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit

Hi I did not understand this edit. So I am checking with you. Bruxton (talk) 04:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That was a typo which I've now fixed- thank you for pointing out out to me. My original intention was to remove the editorializing reference to luck, but my keyboard betrayed me... UrielAcosta (talk) 15:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request For Help

I would like kindly ask you to proofread an article History of the Jews in Derbent. Thank you in advance. Boxes12 (talk)

Thank you so much for your kindness and a wonderful job that you had done with the article History of the Jews in Derbent. It looks great! Thanks again! Boxes12 (talk) 18:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'm still working on it. Your work was very thorough and well-researched, by the way, which makes it enjoyable to edit. UrielAcosta (talk) 18:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am so very grateful for your time and effort. Thanks again! Boxes12 (talk) 17:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Judeo-Tat literature

Dear UrielAcosta,

If you will find interesting an article Judeo-Tat literature then your editing expertise will be greatly appreciated. It would be nice to have a well written article about the Judeo-Tat literature.

I am very sorry if I bother you with this article. Boxes12 (talk) 14:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No bother at all, I plan to look at the article in the next few days. UrielAcosta (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why remove Britannica as a source?

Hi UrielAcosta. I see you intended to remove the source listed as unreliable, but why did you also remove Britannica? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see I made an editing error, accidentally removing it. Thanks for restoring it, and for alerting me to my mistake. UrielAcosta (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Dear UrielAcosta, Thank you so much for edited page Yaakov Yitzhaki! You did a wonderful job. I appreaciate it! Boxes12 (talk) 22:23, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Judaism in Dagestan

Dear UrielAcosta,

I would like to ask if you kingly agree to edit an article Judaism in Dagestan. Your English language skills is highly appreciated. Thank you.

Boxes12 (talk) 03:00, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boxes12 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PBS, Feb 13, 2023: Bedouin police and "violently expelled"

Hello. I was using terminology by sources and from clip I personally viewed on PBS.

[1] Quote:

In the early 20th century, the Duchovnys made their way to Jaffa, where they opened an inn. Unfortunately, the Duchovnys, along with 6000 fellow Jews, were violently expelled from the state one night in December of 1914 by the local Ottoman government... The clip describes how one day, Bedouin police invaded the Jewish quarter of Jaffa, where the Duchovnys lived and worked, and forced them out of their homes with only bags and meager belongings. They were put aboard the Vincenzo Florio, a steamer headed to Port Said, Egpyt.

At night, the “relatively orderly” deportation turned violent. According to the clipping, men were thrown overboard, possessions were looted, jewelry was ripped off women and parents and children were separated, with the young ones “carried from […] the quayside.”

“There were desperate appeals on every side in the darkness, with heartrending screams. Everyone arrived in Alexandria resourceless,”...

Regards.HistoricReminder (talk) 05:17, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, given that the specific details in the source make clear that physical violence was used, & not just the implicit threat of violence that "forcibly" might connote, I've changed it to: "In December 1914 his ancestors were among 6,000 Jews who were forcibly removed from their homes by Ottoman police, violently expelled from Jaffa, and deported by ship to Egypt." UrielAcosta (talk) 14:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It does point to Bedouin police. I believe it's important to add, as so not to blame only the Turks. (Though that is a larger issue). Have a great weekend.HistoricReminder (talk) 21:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Help with after posting on talk page

BS"D

Hello Mr. Acosta. Thank you for helping me through the proper procedures of Wikipedia so far.

I have a question. I posted onto the talk page on R' Kanievsky's article. What should I do now? Do I wait for a... Hoich-editor? to make an official comment on it? Do I just update the article anyways? What is the right thing for me to do now?

Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(P.S. If I'm supposed to wait for official comment - please don't go out of your way to look at it. I just want to know what to do for myself.) Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know you'd posted on the Chaim Kanievsky talk page. You can read my response to your question there.
I've also added: "He was notable even among Jewish scholars for annually reading the entire text of many sources of Jewish law, including not only the Babylonian Talmud but also the less commonly studied Jerusalem Talmud" to the first paragraph of the "Rabbinic Career" section, with two sources, one from the National Library of Israel, the other the Yeshiva World article with the complete list quoted in the footnote; while I was at it, & based on the National Library of Israel source, I also added "known as the Gdol HaDor ('the greatest of his generation')" to the introductory paragraph.
I didn't answer the question of just how long you should wait, because I'm not sure if there's a specific answer. Speaking just for myself, I'd probably wait two or three weeks- unless the article is something that gets a lot of traffic, one that many people will be visiting, and maybe editing, every day (e.g. Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present)), in which case a week or even less might be appropriate. To be honest, I almost never look at the talk pages of the articles I edit (the rare exceptions are generally if I'm thinking of adding something that I suspect might have already been chewed over on the talk page), and I don't know how many people actually look at talk pages. In fact, this is a reminder to me that from now on I should probably check the talk pages of articles I'm editing, at least those I'm editing extensively.
UrielAcosta (talk) 16:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BS"D
Thank you for your help and guidance Mr. Acosta. As well, I've read the things you wrote, and I feel I have learnt a lot about both Wikipedia and general clear-mindedness from them. I appreciate your time spent to help me so much.
Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 03:19, 20 March 2023 (UTC)![reply]

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Brother Resistance

Why did you remove Brother Resistance’s childrens name from his Wiki page? 74.101.28.16 (talk) 05:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back at the record of the edit (which was over 2 years ago) I see that I removed non-notable people who were not otherwise mentioned and I specifically cited MOS:BIO's "Out-of-date material" section (with a highlighted link, as there is here, so anybody wondering why I deleted it could read the guidelines and not have to ask me); I could also have cited WP:SURVIVEDBY (again, you can click on the link to read the guidelines) UrielAcosta (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Ba alawiya

you asked me to discuss this article. i edited this as a part of our uni project and i used all the information from the sources that are cited there. if there is a problem then please help me because i have deadlines. Ayan Asif KHan (talk) 14:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding ~35,000 characters to an article as an editor's fifth edit ever, and first edit to an actual article, would almost certainly be wildly over-ambitious, even if it didn't include non-neutral content & commentary on a potentially contentious subject (religion). I suggest you start out with shorter & strictly factual edits (supported by reliable sources, of course) to uncontentious subjects.

Meanwhile, since you have specifically stated that your concern in editing this article was largely done for a motive in your own life not directly related to improving Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, you should not edit the article at all, at least not until you have far more experience and understanding of Wikipedia's protocols (click on highlighted terms above for more information).
UrielAcosta (talk) 15:07, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Need input.

In the List of converts to Hinduism from Islam article, I removed 4 as they did not had the WP:RS and WP:OR sources. First one: Nargis, in her article I cant see any info regarding her conversion to hinduism in fact opposite "she expressed her wish to be buried following the Islamic rites, Sunil and Sanjay eventually offering the Islamic funeral prayer" in the Personal section.

Another is Khusro Khan, his Religion section explicity states that "Barani's narrative is unreliable, and contradicted by more reliable sources. Khusrau Khan wished to be seen as a normal Muslim monarch, and had the khutba in the mosques read in his name." Hence including him on the list severely violates WP:NPOV and WP:RS and WP:Fringe.

Another case is of two brothers, Harihara I and Bukka Raya I, both articles explicity state that their early life is "unknown and most accounts are based on various speculative theories" the same paragraph that conjecture their religion. So we need stronger and more WP:Reliable sources to make them in the list.

Some are forcefully inserting these info thus violating Wikipedia core policies, can you inspect it. 182.183.11.100 (talk) 20:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Don Crichton

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Some baklava for you!

Appreciate the tips for page editing! Keeping it neutral is indeed important. He is a baklava :-) CompleteDiscourse (talk) 19:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Al-Duraji

Thanks for attempting the cleanup on Al-Duraji. Now that the problematic editor has disclosed that they're the one that started the article in the first place, I'm taking a closer look at it and not finding much in the way of good sourcing (even the Arabic sources, which I'm slowly working through on Google Translate). I reached out to the editor in question to see if they're willing to contribute positively, because I have a feeling that if their attitude changes, the article can be brought up to at least minimal Wikipedia standards. If not, I'm not sure I have the resources to get it there, and it might even qualify for AfD, as the whole thing was written by mostly one person. Fred Zepelin (talk) 02:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nice

Clever WP:ES for WP:EUPH:) DMacks (talk) 15:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"the prophet"

Hi, you removed "the prophet" from The Elephant in the Dark (book). Please see MOS:MUHAMMAD: "... recommended action is to simplify and NPOV to just 'Muhammad' except when it is the first reference in an article, or the first reference in the lead, in which case it may be rendered as 'the Islamic prophet Muhammad' if necessary."

Hence, I don't see why we can't use "the Islamic prophet Muhammad" (which is what I've changed it to). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The guideline says "may" and not "should" so it's at the option of the editor. Since he's one of the most famous people in the history of the world, & mostly comes up in Islamic contexts, I rarely think the description is useful, even in the first mention, so I most commonly remove "the prophet" rather than add "Islamic."

Your change to my edit was, of course, entirely appropriate: "may" in the guideline also means that even if I omit it any editor who thinks it's a useful clarification is free to add it, and once added it should not be removed (except possibly in unusual contexts & circumstances where there's clearly a specific reason). By the same logic if "prophet" is linked I don't remove it- I respect the decision of another editor to link it, but add "Islamic" (and I make sure it links to the relevant article, Prophets and messengers in Islam, & not the overly-general prophets. UrielAcosta (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguating Muhammad

Maybe you didn't notice because you are systematically looking for instances of "the prophet Muhammad" and bumping on this article over and again, but this is the third time you've removed this particular instance, [2][3] ignoring the explanations I gave for reinstating it, [4][5][6] which technically is edit warring. Please discuss at Talk:Al-Mufaddal ibn Umar al-Ju'fi#Disambiguating Muhammad instead. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 22:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to raise the same matter. Pablo Escobar is not Wikipedia's drug lord, but it wouldn't be wrong to write of somebody, "It was on his trip to Panama that he became acquainted with drug lord Pablo Escobar." In the context within which at least a few of the articles you've been revising are set, Muhammad's role is that of a prophet (and, no, he is not my prophet), and the word is being used to introduce him. WP:PBUH explicitly provides for this: "... except when it is the first reference in an article, or the first reference in the lead, in which case it may be rendered as "the Islamic prophet Muhammad" if necessary." ("Islamic" is, of course, not necessary if the context is already Islamic.) And WP:PBUH isn't even about Moses/Musa, yet you edited a phrase identifying him through his role as prophet. Largoplazo (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Largoplazo, you are 100% incorrect: Pablo Escobar IS Wikipedia's drug lord, because "drug lord" has a specific definition in English and Escobar qualifies under that definition. That's why he is listed as a drug lord in Wikipedia under Drug_lord#List_of_well-known_drug_lords. What he's NOT is the Lord, which means something else entirely. Also, no editor may simply declare that a word specified as necessary in Wikipedia guidelines isn't really necessary because the editor thinks it's obvious. That's just wrong. Please respect the explicit requirements in Wikipedia guidelines.
UrielAcosta (talk) 22:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pablo Escobar IS Wikipedia's drug lord That's an incredibly foolish thing to say. I don't even know what to make of the idea that Wikipedia has a drug lord. And you're completely missing the point about "Islamic". It's as though you're understanding that sentence only as a rote phrasing rather than the underlying the point, which is the difference between honoring and identifying.
Anyway, it is entirely inappropriate for you to continue on your mission, after having been called on it by two people, rather than stepping back and working toward a consensus. See WP:BRD in case you aren't already aware of it.
On top of it, can you really not tell the difference between "Lord" and "prophet"? A person who goes around claiming to speak on God's behalf is a prophet, whether or not you believe the person's God to be real or the person's claims to be the truth. Just as ministers and rabbis and priests are ministers and rabbis and priests whether or not you believe in their faiths or you hold them in any special regard, the same is true of small-p "prophet". Largoplazo (talk) 23:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BRD refers to bold edits, not those correcting things according to clear Wikipedia guidelines, and when the guideline clearly says "the prophet" should not be used, but on first use may be changed to "the Islamic prophet" that means exactly what it says, so please stop claiming otherwise. UrielAcosta (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Apaugasma has already tried and failed to change the guideline MOS:PBUH, so trying to do retail what that failed to do wholesale is inappropriate, as is suggesting I am doing anything wrong by applying Wikipedia guidelines to ensure neutrality.
UrielAcosta (talk) 22:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:ISLAM is a style guide. That was also the main argument of those opposing my proposal to simply allow the usage of some phrases which are constantly and casually used in all relevant RS: Wikipedia has its own (manual of) style, so the sources or other style guides using 'prophet Muhammad' aren't really that relevant here.
So as a general rule, we go against common usage in RS and call it NPOV (recommended action is to simplify and NPOV to just "Muhammad"), because we have our own style. Okay, that doesn't make sense to me at all, but I can accept it as the current wp:consensus. However, if it's all just about style, perhaps in some specific cases exceptions are allowed? At the very least, when some editor reverts you and gives a reason why they think an exception is reasonable, a discussion may be had?
Again, please discuss at Talk:Al-Mufaddal ibn Umar al-Ju'fi#Disambiguating Muhammad. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 00:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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