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Statement by Stevertigo

I am a 'controversial editor.' Or a "problematic editor." Or a "disruptive editor." That is, according to some people, that is what I am. According to them, even though I've been editing Wikipedia since 2002, and have contributed to the creation of numerous principles, policies, guidelines, and editoral positions, I am somehow in need of banning, or a monitor. The current issue is largely between Steve Quinn, Jim Wae and I, centered largely at the Punishment article. Before the punishment article, we three debated the introductory paragraphs of the Time article - an argument that I largely won (Time now has a general introductory sentence).

Steve and Jim appear to have been stalking me through my edit history, taking an interest in my editing and not necessarily the subject matter. This is the essential point - they did not arrive at the punishment article due to interest in that article, but the did so due to an undue interest in my editing. Thus their editing of that article suffered from a lack of cohesion that editors of actual interest would naturally have, hence I was opposed to certain edits they made to the article. This was our dispute. When I first edited the punishment article on 1 August, (diff) few people had touched the article in the months previous, and no one had commented on the talk page since October 2009. (See Talk:Punishment and Talk:Punishment/Archive 1).

Steve Quinn filed an ANI, at which other editors have chimed in - people whom I havent' had interactions with in months or years, and who still hold the grudge that previous cases did not find in their favor regarding me. To a fair eye, its clearly a case where bitter contestants are trying to finish what they started in years previous. To decide for yourself if my editing is "disruptive" (a euphemism for "trolling") see examples of my recent work.

My reasons for posting here are because matters of sanction and banning should be taken seriously, in a way that administrators at ANI simply cannot do.

Statement by Steve Quinn

The ANI discussion is in the process of sorting out, an appropriate sanction. Hence, I think this discussion is premature. At the same time, (At ANI) Steveritigo appeared to wish to change his methods of editing to be in agreement with guidelines and policies. Now, it seems he has changed his mind again. I implore Stevertigo, to go ahead and make the statement contained on his talk page. It will show people that he is serious about working with people, rather only serving his point of view. I can't speak for other people, but I think this would go a long way for patching things up with the community. ---- Steve Quinn (talk) 15:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First, I have to agree with Ken below. This appears to be an attempt to cirumvent the current ANI. And I agree with Georgewilliamherbert that any decision to take this case should be delayed until the current ANI is completed. I would prefer that the community make the decision, and it appears capable of doing so. The proposals for, and support for, a total block have aggreagated into an apparent, weighted, consensus. It is just a question of for how long, at this point. But, it is also a question of allowing the community to follow through. A discussion of this phase should begin to take place, along with some other issues that have not been addressed. That is if the community wishes to address these other issues. In any case, this next phase of the discussion should begin to take place. ---- Steve Quinn (talk) 05:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JimWae

If I understand Stevertigo's request correctly, he is accusing me of harrassing/wiki-hounding him. I will acknowledge that I did check his edit history - after having to call for a topic RFC for his inserting content such as the following as the very first sentence in the Time article:

Time is the concept of the underlying physical mechanisms that macroscopically transform reality —in accord with dimensional constraints and orthographies at the smallest scales —such that the state of the present is realized directly from past states, and the future can be pictured by projection.

and

Time is a physical process and non-spatial dimension in which reality is macroscopically transformed in continuity from the past through the present and on to the future.[1] NB: the [1] had no such content

After getting nowhere with Stevertigo on Talk:Time where he tried to justify such outrageous edits and objected to using sources (which he still does), I think any conscientious editor would check the edit history of another editor who inserts such outrageous & mostly unintelligible original research content as the first sentence of articles. I then put an {{OR-section}} tag on Time in physics for his insertion into it as the very first sentence:

Time is a real phenomenon it and therefore has a basis in physical laws. However its full workings remain mysterious and not all understood (likely holographic and computational in nature), and though time is a key aspect within the study of physics and physical interactions, it has generally been treated as a single dimension within the geometry of a physical space, or else a transactional property that acts upon a physical object.

Please keep in mind that the above edits by Steve were all marked as minor, as he marked everything then. My editing of Punishment came about because that article was already on my watchlist. Punishment is a topic I studied in several Philosophy of Education classes and I have had several books that deal with it on my bookshelf for over 30 years now

Steve has commented several times that he thinks he won & I lost a debate at Time. Nothing Steve proposed was kept. I never proposed that the lede was perfect as it was. In fact, the lede was probably better in some respects (more concise, less redundant, and quite balanced) before changes were made in 2007 to accomodate Stevertigo's objections (now lost in the archives) going back several years. Other editors have already objected to Steve's characterization of the exchange as a win for Steve. I see his request here as a way to dilute the ongoing discussion about his behaviour. --JimWae (talk) 20:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary decisions

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (8/0/0/0)

  • Awaiting statements. In itself, this does not appear to be a conventional request for arbitration, in that it is not clear what remedy the filing party is seeking to achieve. But my best reading is that Stevertigo is anticipating that a discussion of his editing will wind up on this page soon in any event and is seeking to bring things to a head, in which case I may be open to addressing any issues raised by other editors, rather than declining this case and waiting for someone else to file one. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm still monitoring the ANI discussion. Such discussions should have finite lives, so I anticipate voting to accept or not within a day or two. I've asked Stevertigo, on my talkpage, to clarify the nature and scope of the case he is seeking (although we would by no means by bound by his suggestion). Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Accept as there seems to be little progress toward a resolution of the matter through other means. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning towards acceptance, assuming that the AN/I discussion doesn't resolve this to the community's satisfaction. Kirill [talk] [prof] 03:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also leaning toward acceptance, especially as the request has been initiated by Stevertigo directly. Will await the result of the AN/I thread before deciding, although it currently appears as though there is no conclusion but a wide variety of proposals. Risker (talk) 23:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to Stevertigo: This [1] really is not okay. Please don't do that again. Risker (talk) 05:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Accept. Risker (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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