Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies

The following discussions are requested to have community-wide attention:

Talk:Scott Adams

There has been a prolonged debate about the validity of the wording the Anti-Defamation League said the seemingly innocuous phrase began being used online in 2017 as part of an alt-right trolling campaign and is associated with the white supremacist movement versus according to the Anti-Defamation League, a non-governmental organization, the phrase originated online in 2017 as part of an "alt-right trolling campaign" and as such is associated with the white supremacist movement to describe the phrase It's okay to be White in the context of this article. The debate, insofar as it has actually taken place, centers around whether wording such as "seemingly innocuous" to describe a political slogan should be written in Wikipedia's voice or attributed to its origin.

Should the desription in lead read as either;

Option A : "... the Anti-Defamation League said the seemingly innocuous phrase began being used online in 2017 as part of an alt-right trolling campaign and is associated with the white supremacist movement."

or

Option B : "... according to the Anti-Defamation League, a non-governmental organization [attempting to salvage the RFC by boldly removing this, as this is not what discussion is actually about, and no one seems to want it. revert if you disagree. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography

I propose that the nationality examples recently removed be restored. I ask that we break the discussion into two parts: first support or oppose !votes for whether we should include any examples. Second, discussion to resolve the exact wording and presentation of the examples to be added. Accordingly, I've put the most recent version at the top of the subsection. Skyerise (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Gene Kelly

Gene Kelly was a multitalented performer, but there is some dispute as to how he should be referred to in the opening of the article. I believe the choices are these:

• A "actor, dancer, singer, filmmaker, and choreographer." This is the current formulation,
• B "dancer, actor, singer, filmmaker and choreographer."

The dispute is basically over whether to put "actor" or "dancer" first. I don't believe the order of the other two is at issue. Coretheapple (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Jeon Somi

There were a lot of edit wars. Should it say "Korean-Canadian", "Canadian and South Korean", "Canadian-born South Korean", or some other option? Thedarkknightli (talk) 17:35, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump

Should the sentence below be included in the article (as it is now) under the subsection Lafayette Square protester removal and photo op?

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark A. Milley, later apologized for accompanying Trump on the walk and thereby "creat[ing] the perception of the military involved in domestic politics".

Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 07:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Rod Steiger

Rod Steiger
Rod Steiger in Al Capone (1959)
Born	(1925-04-14)April 14, 1925 Westhampton, New York, US
Died	July 9, 2002(2002-07-09) (aged 77) Los Angeles, California, US
Occupation	Actor
Years active	1946–2002
Works	Full list
Awards	Full list

Should the biography of Rod Steiger include an infobox? Nemov (talk) 04:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Chris Bart

Anonymous user(s) using Bell Internet accounts are suppressing edits referring to Prof. Bart's 2013 disciplinary decision. In the deletion discussion, the general agreement of other Wikipedia editors is that the disciplinary decision should be referenced, and a reliable source has been cited. Rather than provoke an edit war against anonymous sympathisers (or Prof. Bart himself), I'd like direction on:

1. whether the reference should be included; and
2. how to prevent anonymous users from repeatedly deleting the reference.

I do not know whether suppression constitutes WP:Vandalism, and it doesn't fall into the libel category that would qualify for assistance on the WP:BLPN. On the contrary, it's trying to suppress unflattering information about Prof. Bart.

AgarWhisper (talk) 20:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Ke Huy Quan

There have been a lot of edit warring with the nationality in the lead. Should be listed as just American, Vietnamese-American, Vietnamese-born American, or some other option? The relevant facts are: He was born in (South) Vietnam in 1971, in 1979 he resettled with his family in America as refugees. He has lived in America ever since (though he has worked on several Hong Kong films in production roles). See MOS:ETHNICITY for the relevant policy. I personally have no strong opinion, and just want to end the edit warring with a clear consensus one way or the other. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Michael Jackson

Taking into account the recent changes that have been made in this article, and that the awards-related statement has been removed from the end of the first paragraph of this article; I think it is necessary to implement a new statement in the lead section of the article in order to cover the information according to the new situation.

Therefore, I consider that the appropriate location to add such a statement is the middle part of the fourth paragraph of the article, before the sentence "His honors include 15 Grammy Awards...".

Keeping in mind some suggestions previously expressed in this Talk page by users such as BD2412 and Apoxyomenus, and aiming for greater neutrality and accuracy for the article, I ask for your opinion:

What statement do you consider should be added to cover the awards-related information within the new situation?

• A "According to some estimates, Jackson is claimed as the most awarded recording artist in pop music history"
• B "Some sources have deemed Jackson the most awarded musician in history"
• C "By some measures, Jackson was the most awarded musician in history"
• D "According to some sources, Jackson is considered the most awarded recording artist in history"
• X "Jackson is one of the most awarded music artists"

The following options are statements that would be placed before the sentence "Jackson's inductions include the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame..." in the fourth paragraph of the lead section.

• Z "By some estimations, he was the most awarded music artist in history"
• E "By some estimations, he is the most awarded music artist in history"

Finally, if anyone wishes to propose a different statement, suggestions are completely welcome. Salvabl (talk) 02:48, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Kaja Kallas

At least as far as I've noticed, when including a place of birth in an article's infobox, it's the general practice on Wikipedia to use historical place names. Sometimes the modern-day country is included, as with Mikhail Gorbachev or Mila Kunis. With Kaja Kallas being featured on the main page, it came to my attention that many articles for people born in what's now Estonia (and possibly other states) do not adhere to this practice. It appears that, due to Estonia having been on the receiving end of Russian imperialism for the last few hundred years and the idea of state continuity of the Baltic states, opinions on whether to list Estonia or Estonian SSR as someone's place of birth often reflect the politics of the editors involved.

Personally, I think the de facto recognition of the Soviet administration by most paired with other factors like the monopoly on the legal use of force make linking to the SSR articles the sensible thing to do. Additionally, I believe the articles on the Baltic SSRs do a sufficiently good job of addressing questions about their legitimacy. In any case, I think it would be helpful to solicit comments and see if we can maybe get some kind of consensus here. Rockhead126 (talk) 23:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Michael Jackson

Should the following paragraph be inserted into the biography? Yes or no. The paragraph is about a widely reported development in November 1991, a marketing campaign which backfired somewhat and gave Michael Jackson's reputation a dunking. Binksternet (talk) 03:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)

Should the following biographical microstubs, which were mass-created by Lugnuts and cover non-medalling Olympians who competed between 1896 and 1912, be moved out of article space? 08:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)