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== RfC == |
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<s>A discussion at [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Joe_Klein]] appears to state that a consensus of three editor overrides the requirement of ''direct'' self-identification for religious categorization in a BLP, finding indirect statements to be sufficient. In order to accommodate such a consensus, </s> should [[WP:BLP]] be amended to state: |
<s>A discussion at [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Joe_Klein]] appears to state that a consensus of three editor overrides the requirement of ''direct'' self-identification for religious categorization in a BLP, finding indirect statements to be sufficient. In order to accommodate such a consensus, </s> should [[WP:BLP]] be amended to state: |
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:''Categories regarding <u>ethnicity</u>, religious beliefs or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has <s>publicly self-identified</s> <u>directly or indirectly indicated any association with the ethnicity</u> <s>with the</s>, belief or orientation in question, and the subject's <u>ethnicity</u>,beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources. ''14:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC) |
:''Categories regarding <u>ethnicity</u>, religious beliefs or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has <s>publicly self-identified</s> <u>directly or indirectly indicated any association with the ethnicity</u> <s>with the</s>, belief or orientation in question, and the subject's <u>ethnicity</u>,beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources. ''14:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' - This RFC is framed non-neutrally. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 21:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' - This RFC is framed non-neutrally. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 21:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' essentially a ''weakening'' of the policy requiring ''self-identification'' unambiguously. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 21:37, 7 February 2015 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' essentially a ''weakening'' of the policy requiring ''self-identification'' unambiguously. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 21:37, 7 February 2015 (UTC) |
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Birth intros
Do we use (born date) or do we just go with (date), for the birtdate? GoodDay (talk) 07:24, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- Typically (born date) if they are still living and (date – date) if they are not. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:41, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
- My corrective edit got reverted, yesterday at Song Jia (actress, born 1962). I wasn't sure if I had done something wrong. GoodDay (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Death cause changed to drug overdose without a source
I don't know if I'm asking in the right place, so please direct me if I'm not. I'm concerned about edits made to Christine Cavanaugh's article, as her death cause was recently changed from undisclosed causes to drug overdose. No death cause has been disclosed as of yet, and I've since reverted the edits. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I feel like claiming someone died of a drug overdose could be a serious violation of policy. Could someone please advise? Thanks, Melonkelon (talk) 10:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
- It is entirely reasonable and proper to insist on a Reliable Source for such a claim, and to revert in the absence of such. The RS guidelines spell this out clearly, and should you have problems you should point the other party at WP:RS, which says:
- Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.
- Hope this helps. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
RfC
We now have the proposer opposing his own RfC -- so to avoid any further ridiculousness... |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
DiscussionThe issue arose about Joe Klein who has repeatedly been described in his BLP as "Jewish" and having both religion and ethnicity as "Jewish" based on sources which do not directly affirm that he uses the specific label on himself. The indirect sources used are:
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Of which the third is the closest to being an actual source, but only says "Jewish heritage" and a person might have Welsh heritage and not assert that they are "Welsh" , and a person with 1% African-American heritage might not call themselves "African American" as a self-identification. So should we adopt such indirect identification as being sufficient for categorization and description of living persons? (As "Jewish ethnicity" was also asserted, I suggest we well ought now include it here directly) Collect (talk) 14:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
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