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To view an explanation to the answer, click on the [show] link to the right of the question. Are Wikipedia's mathematics articles targeted at professional mathematicians?
No, we target our articles at an appropriate audience. Usually this is an interested layman. However, this is not always possible. Some advanced topics require substantial mathematical background to understand. This is no different from other specialized fields such as law and medical science. If you believe that an article is too advanced, please leave a detailed comment on the article's talk page. If you understand the article and believe you can make it simpler, you are also welcome to improve it, in the framework of the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Why is it so difficult to learn mathematics from Wikipedia articles?
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a textbook. Wikipedia articles are not supposed to be pedagogic treatments of their topics. Readers who are interested in learning a subject should consult a textbook listed in the article's references. If the article does not have references, ask for some on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics. Wikipedia's sister projects Wikibooks which hosts textbooks, and Wikiversity which hosts collaborative learning projects, may be additional resources to consider. See also: Using Wikipedia for mathematics self-study Why are Wikipedia mathematics articles so abstract?
Abstraction is a fundamental part of mathematics. Even the concept of a number is an abstraction. Comprehensive articles may be forced to use abstract language because that language is the only language available to give a correct and thorough description of their topic. Because of this, some parts of some articles may not be accessible to readers without a lot of mathematical background. If you believe that an article is overly abstract, then please leave a detailed comment on the talk page. If you can provide a more down-to-earth exposition, then you are welcome to add that to the article. Why don't Wikipedia's mathematics articles define or link all of the terms they use?
Sometimes editors leave out definitions or links that they believe will distract the reader. If you believe that a mathematics article would be more clear with an additional definition or link, please add to the article. If you are not able to do so yourself, ask for assistance on the article's talk page. Why don't many mathematics articles start with a definition?
We try to make mathematics articles as accessible to the largest likely audience as possible. In order to achieve this, often an intuitive explanation of something precedes a rigorous definition. The first few paragraphs of an article (called the lead) are supposed to provide an accessible summary of the article appropriate to the target audience. Depending on the target audience, it may or may not be appropriate to include any formal details in the lead, and these are often put into a dedicated section of the article. If you believe that the article would benefit from having more formal details in the lead, please add them or discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Why don't mathematics articles include lists of prerequisites?
A well-written article should establish its context well enough that it does not need a separate list of prerequisites. Furthermore, directly addressing the reader breaks Wikipedia's encyclopedic tone. If you are unable to determine an article's context and prerequisites, please ask for help on the talk page. Why are Wikipedia's mathematics articles so hard to read?
We strive to make our articles comprehensive, technically correct and easy to read. Sometimes it is difficult to achieve all three. If you have trouble understanding an article, please post a specific question on the article's talk page. Why don't math pages rely more on helpful YouTube videos and media coverage of mathematical issues?
Mathematical content of YouTube videos is often unreliable (though some may be useful for pedagogical purposes rather than as references). Media reports are typically sensationalistic. This is why they are generally avoided. |
Affine symmetric group
Affine symmetric group is at FAC and would benefit from someone familiar with this subject inputting on the sourcing. See the bottom of the page here. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:03, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
- To be explicit about what is requested: in the section Source review, Jo-Jo Eumerus has marked six footnotes as needing to be checked by a mathematician as to whether the material to which they are attached is appropriately sourced (the footnotes support the article, the content of the sources is correctly represented in the article, the sources are reliable, etc.). Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. --JBL (talk) 20:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Smith–Volterra–Cantor set
I have a concern about whether the name "Smith–Volterra–Cantor set" is in fact standard. I posted a note at talk:Smith–Volterra–Cantor set#Naming, but it's a low-traffic article and I don't really know whether anyone will notice it. Anyone who can contribute, it would be appreciated. --Trovatore (talk) 20:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Italics on Pentagramma mirificum
Should the title of this article be italicized? I forgot if every Latin term should be so, according to the guidelines.--ReyHahn (talk) 14:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- According to WP:ITALICTITLE, yes:
Use italics when italics would be necessary in running text; for example, ... foreign phrases are italicized both in ordinary text and in article titles.
—David Eppstein (talk) 04:36, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Lead image in Tree (set theory)
I am having a dispute with an editor of Tree (set theory) who insists on adding a lead image that depicts a graph-theoretic tree, not a set-theoretic tree (the difference is that in graph-theoretic trees every node except the root has a parent, and following parent links will eventually reach the root, but in set-theoretic trees the ancestors of any node can have arbitrary well-orderings in which not all elements have a parent). Additional informed opinions would be very welcome at Talk:Tree (set theory) and in editing the article (or maybe finding or creating a more appropriate lead illustration). —David Eppstein (talk) 04:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Emmy Noether
Algebraically inclined editors may wish to look at Talk:Emmy Noether#WP:URFA/2020, where there is discussion of whether Emmy Noether meets current featured article standards (and if not, what must be improved). — Bilorv (talk) 17:36, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- So I don't have anything to add to that as a discussion per se but are there particular tasks that if someone did them it would be helpful for ensuring that the article stays at FA? --JBL (talk) 17:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
COI edit request at Probability box
A COI editor has made a request for information to be added to the Applications section of this article. The requesting editor appears to be the author of the reference they are hoping to apply to the requested addition to that section. Unfortunately, Space Trajectory Optimization Asteroid Impact Monitoring State Estimation is not independently notable (nor for that matter, are many other items in the Applications section). Thus, I was hoping someone more mathematically inclined could have a look? Thank you very much for any help on this. Regards, Spintendo 01:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I've promoted this from AFC. Its seems genuine and well referenced. I'm not a mathematician so I looked up some references to confirm its existance and to determine if there was an article on Wikipedia on the subject, but doesn't appear so. scope_creepTalk 06:05, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- It's definitely a real thing; I am not an expert in this subject, but I am inclined to agree that it is not duplicative of existing content (at least that I could find). Thanks for promoting it. --JBL (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Where is the right place to feature request support for LaTeX macros/packages?
Wikipedia's Math/LaTeX syntax doesn't support the \rlap, \llap, \clap
macros. I'd like to request feature support for these macros (perhaps in mathtools
package? I'm not sure). These macros are incredibly useful to pad/align equations and terms, especially when the equations are in a column in a table and can't rely on a single align
block. For instance, compare the table at Inverse trigonometric functions#Solutions to elementary trigonometric equations with its layout/markup prior to my edits. I had to use a lot of \;\,\qquad
-style spacing. But instead, I could have used a more "semantic" spacing à la the following, if \rlap
were available (ignore the align
block; I used that in an external Latex editor to help me get the alignment):
\begin{align*}
\theta &= \rlap{(-1)^k}\phantom{(-1)^k\;}\rlap{\arcsin(y)}\phantom{arccos(x)} + \rlap{}\phantom{2\,}\pi k \\
\theta &= \rlap{(-1)^k}\phantom{(-1)^k\;}\rlap{\operatorname{arccsc}(r)}\phantom{arccos(x)} + \rlap{}\phantom{2\,}\pi k \\
\theta &= \rlap{\pm}\phantom{(-1)^k\;}\rlap{\arccos(x)}\phantom{arccos(x)} + \rlap{2}\phantom{2\,}\pi k \\
\theta &= \rlap{\pm}\phantom{(-1)^k\;}\rlap{\operatorname{arcsec}(r)}\phantom{arccos(x)} + \rlap{2}\phantom{2\,}\pi k \\
\theta &= \rlap{}\phantom{(-1)^k\;}\rlap{\arctan(s)}\phantom{arccos(x)} + \rlap{}\phantom{2\,}\pi k \\
\theta &= \rlap{}\phantom{(-1)^k\;}\rlap{\operatorname{arccot}(r)}\phantom{arccos(x)} + \rlap{}\phantom{2\,}\pi k \\
\end{align*}
Where do I lodge a feature request? Or should I lobby for it here first, and get community support for it? What's the process for Latex package addition? Thanks. — sbb (talk) 17:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- You would want to use the Phabricator bug tracking system using the math tag. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/130/ There are other feature requests for extended maths syntax there. Don't expect a quick resolution, though.--Salix alba (talk): 18:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)