Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League

A long-term task finally finished!

With my recent creations of John Holahan, Francis Fogarty, Arch Wolfe, Fran Foley and John Blackinger, it appears that every person to have served as a general manager in the NFL among current teams now has an article!!! This was one of my earliest goals I set at Wikipedia BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Now its time for all the managers of defunct teams – does anyone know where to find those? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

That's fantastic, congratulations @BeanieFan11! What is your list based off? Is it by chance Category:National Football League general manager navigational boxes? Hey man im josh (talk) 13:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

That's what I was going off of – it seems pretty accurate (PFR also has just about all the same info). Defunct teams will be another challenge, since it doesn't seem there's anything online listing them. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the navboxes again; interestingly, a few of the current team navboxes are missing dates. The Cardinals is missing 1920–35; Bears 1920–35; Lions 1930–35; Packers 1919–20; Rams 1936; Giants 1925–36; Eagles 1933–35; Steelers 1933–35; and Commanders 1932. @Hirolovesswords: I know you've done a lot of work on NFL GMs, do you know why there's no managers listed for the teams in those years, and who served in the positions during the times? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm looking at the season pages on Pro-Football-Reference, as they usually list a GM in the top part of the page. A few of these that I've spot checked are indeed missing a listing for the GM. There's also pages for executives for each team, which I'm noticing do often stop at 1936. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Just replaced part at the Giants' GM template based on this. Looks like you have Ray Walsh to create now @BeanieFan11 ;) Hey man im josh (talk) 20:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: According to page 694 of the 49ers' media guide, it looks like Spadia wasn't GM as long as listed and I can't find an appropriate "Jack White" to add to Template:San Francisco 49ers general manager navbox. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: Thanks for the info! I'm also keeping a list of NFL GMs for defunct teams if you're interested in trying to figure out some of those as well. Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Walsh done; just White left, unless we find another missing GM :) BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Finished up White; @Hey man im josh: we're done unless you can find another missing GM! BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

• Congratulations! Cbl62 (talk) 13:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

An interesting challenge

As part of my general manager quest, I started up in my userspace a list of general managers for defunct teams, with the goal of finding who managed every team in every year in NFL history (also AAFC). Currently have 15 teams complete (in knowing who served as general manager), 2 partially complete, whereas I have not yet found the general managers for 34 franchises. Help in finding these would be appreciated. Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

My long-term task is done too!

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Green Bay Packers presidents! I started it in 2018....... almost 6 years. And the fun thing is that Mark Murphy (American football executive) is going to retire next year, which means I'll have to add one more GA after the new president is announced haha. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Another long-term task finished!

With my creations of Dick Harris and Joe Gray, it also now appears that every first-round draft pick in NFL history now has an article! BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I noticed you making a changes to articles that I had promoted or prepped for featured list nomination! I did however just look over the 12 that I worked on and noticed a red link for Jim Davidson in List of Buffalo Bills first-round draft picks, if you're interested in covering the AFL ones as well. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Might do him sometime soon. Throw in the AAFC as well and there's the following "first-rounders" without articles:

Jim Davidson - 1965 AFL (Ohio State - OL)

Cal Richardson - 1947 AAFC "Special Draft" (Tulsa - E)

Bernie Gallagher - 1947 AAFC "Special Draft" (Pennsylvania - T)

Larry Rice - 1947 AAFC "Special Draft" (Tulane - C)

Joe Sullivan - 1949 AAFC (Dartmouth - B)

Chet Fritz - 1949 AAFC (Missouri - T)

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Infobox for signed undrafted free agents who never play in NFL

An offshoot to the last discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League/Archive 23 § Question on Player Team Categories, where we discussed team categories and inbox team listings of players who never actually played a regular season game with said team.

Is this NFL project "claiming" the player, and using the {{Infobox NFL player}} on their bio instead of {{infobox college football player}}? (Courtesy ping to Sergio Skol, who recently changed a similar player to use the college infobox.[1]) —Bagumba (talk) 04:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• IMO we should keep the NFL infobox for anyone that actually signed to a team in the NFL – as that way we can list the player's whole career, rather than only the college career as would be happening with the college infobox. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Why did I change it? Well, it's true Thomas Weber signed as an UDFA with the Bengals, but he never was in the active roster, let alone played an official game. So, in these cases I think is better use the college football player Infobox, because technically the player never was in the NFL; that's why PFR nor NFL.com has a profile of the player (Weber's page does not exist, for example)

So, we should use the correct Infobox, that's why we have different ones, it wouldn't be appropriate use the NFL Infobox for a CFL player, as you can see here. Sergio Skol (talk) 14:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Saying that the person "was never in the NFL" is incorrect when they were a member of teams in the NFL! Whether or not they played shouldn't matter. Having the college infobox erases the entire professional career from the top, which in some cases could be a lot of teams (e.g. Nick Eubanks, six, comes to mind among things I wrote) – whereas having the NFL infobox allows someone to view the player's whole career. Not to mention there's plenty of UDFAs with articles who haven't played in games currently on NFL team rosters. Are we going to change those to the college box because they haven't yet played a regular season game in the NFL, and then we have to switch it over once they do play in a regular season game? It doesn't make sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Man, chill out 😂

Of course ACTIVE PLAYERS must use the NFL Infobox, no matter if they've not played an official game (If they're active, (and I mean signed with any team) must use the correct Infobox, as you can see here)

But when the player is retired and never played, why we should use an inappropriate box?

Example; I just edited Eric LeGrand. He actually signed with the Buccaneers, so we should use NFL Infobox for a player who signed a symbolic contract? He does signed, so... Sergio Skol (talk) 16:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

List of Tampa Bay Buccaneers seasons at WP:FLRC

I have nominated List of Tampa Bay Buccaneers seasons for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Updating Profootballhof links

A couple days ago, I updated the URL code for Template:Profootballhof, which had been out of date for a long while. But all the individual transclusions needs to be updated as well, like with this edit. I've done a few but there are 200+ that need updating; see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Profootballhof&limit=500. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

What about adding the information of a former NFL player becoming a head coach?

What about adding the information of a former NFL player becoming a head coach? For example, former linebacker Jerod Mayo played with the New England Patriots from 2008-2015. In 2024, he was selected as the new head coach for the New England Patriots, replacing Bill Belichick. Abhiramakella (talk) 22:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Abhiramakella: Is this the same question you had at Template talk:Infobox NFL biography#What about adding the information of a former NFL player becoming a head coach?. If so, I'm not sure if people here knew that you were referring to adding a coach's former playing position to the infobox.—Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Abhiramakella (talk) 07:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Repeating season links in infobox

What is the protocol for linking duplicate season years in the infobox? For example, Joshua Dobbs was on three different rosters in 2023, and the 2023 NFL season is linked for each instance. My reading of MOS:REPEATLINK is that only the first instance of 2023 in the infobox should be linked, but maybe I am incorrect. OceanGunfish (talk) 14:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

It only needs to be linked once. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 14:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift reply. OceanGunfish (talk) 14:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

It's justifiable in some tables to repeat links, e.g. large table that will be skimmed and where one might not have already seen the first link, but these team histories aren't enormous, esp. for football, and the same years will be grouped together chronologically. So no need to repeat for this.—Bagumba (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:DUPLINK, it's allowed. I personally prefer it, but I recognize that others do not. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:National Signing Day#Requested move 28 March 2024

This RM to lowercase the titling of National Signing Day may be of interest to participants of this WikiProject. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Kansas City Chiefs

Kansas City Chiefs has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 18:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

NFL Article Naming

There are still so many articles that have "National Football League" in them (i.e. National Football League All-Decade Teams, National Football League 50th Anniversary All-Time Team, National Football League on American television, National Football League player conduct policy, National Football League Rookie of the Year Award, National Football League controversies, etc. With the RM at NFL, should these all get moved? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes. "National Football League" is itself ambiguous (National Football League (disambiguation)), so its not like spelling it out provides natural disambiguation with the other sports leagues. As it is, NFL anyways redirects to the American football league as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. We already moved to the shorter title NFL rivalries from National Football League rivalries.—Bagumba (talk) 01:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll work to get everything moved over on Monday when I'm on PC if there's still any left. Unfortunately I got pushback at WP:CFD/S about renaming categories, simply because someone WP:IDONTLIKEIT and won't cite any policy or MoS and opposes the renaming based on personal preference. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

The joys of Wikipedia:Don't revert due solely to "no consensus" not being a guideline. —Bagumba (talk) 01:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey man im josh, if you are still up for it, most of the awards in {{NFL awards}} still have the full name, in addition to the articles above. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Anyone in a article-creating mood?

Hi, for anyone who is feeling an urge to create new articles for this project and for college football, there are a ton of requested articles at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports/American football for a variety of subjects, from players and coaches to rivalries and terminology. Some of these have been lingering around for awhile with no action. Feel free to be bold, help create some new articles and expand Wikipedia's coverage of American football! Fretyr (talk) 16:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Do not assume that these topics are notable simply because they appear on this list. For example, the list includes 17 proposed articles on rivalries of the Cleveland Browns. That's in addition to the Three Browns rivalry articles that already exist. Cbl62 (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

  I think all of those rivalries probably need to be removed from that page. I think we're already at 100% coverage for actual NFL rivalries. SportingFlyer T·C 00:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Cowboys-Lions article (again)

I know the last proposal got shot down, but I found coverage of the incident on March 25, 2024. As such, WP:SUSTAINED is covered to some degree. 69.118.230.235 (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

A single article from a sub community of SB Nation (specifically one focused on the Lions) is not enough to argue for WP:SUSTAINED. I'm probably the biggest Lions fan at WP:NFL, and I can't make an argument for supporting creation of that article. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from American football project

Can someone take a look at this topic on Wikidata ?

The question is about a dewiki article about "fake", and Play-action for which they also have an article. We're wondering if it's a duplicate or if there are several kind of "fake" in football and "play-action" is a special case ? TomT0m (talk) 19:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Copying from WT:AMF, since this project is more active. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)