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Small style element

What are possibilities or recommendations how to replace style element small Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia#HTML_text_style_element_.3Csmall.3E? Especially I would like to ask if there is easy solution for Wikipedia:Taxobox usage#Synonyms? (Personally I do not prefer writing authority in small letters at all.) --Snek01 (talk) 12:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand the objection to the usage of the small tags. Is it just that the html is superfluous or difficult to edit for noobs? The reason for the usage, often, is that authorities can sometimes be quite lengthy and instead of wrapping the text in the taxobox, nbsp and the small tags are used to keep everything on one line. See Utricularia stellaris for example. I've used this html tag throughout my edits in the Utricularia species. I also find that it separates the authority from the species visually; many people aren't used to seeing authorities, so with a link and a different text style, it gives them an idea that it means something different from a species or variety name. I'd be open to suggested changes that would maintain some sort of font difference, though. --Rkitko ^(talk) 13:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there still can be authority written in such smaller letters (until it is recomended in documentation of Taxobox). Authorities can always be easily distinguish, because the scientific name is in italics. And to its length: there is nor reason to change contents for better view but the view should accomodate co its contents. (Soory for my English, I hope I used appropriate words.) --Snek01 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This project WikiProject Check Wikipedia recommend to not use the style element . So the question is if we really should replace style element with something other (which can have the same appereance) and what are possibilities? Maybe there is no reason to change it or maybe a better possibility does not exist. I do not know. --Snek01 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

make me small maybe? --213.168.121.43 (talk) 02:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Normally, we don´t need . In Wikipedia we only write text. The Stylesheet (css) make with this text the right output. I hope we can eliminate all -Tags from the text and put all formats in the stylesheet. In XHTML is small not allowed, there you can only use make me small. -- sk (talk) 16:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Stefan. In XHTML a  element is allowed. Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are used only to describe the presentation (the look and formatting) of a document. They do not describe the "meaning" of elements (that is, non-semantic markup). If you replace i.e. testo with testo, web-based screen readers will fail to interpret a correct meaning of a element content. Also you can use CSS to describe a look of  element (instead of  element). --DaBler (talk) 15:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is template allready available at Template:Small. --Snek01 (talk) 22:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

not correct	correct
<b>testo</b>	'''testo'''
<i>testo</i>	''testo''
<u>testo</u>	<span style="text-decoration:underline;">testo</span>
<s>testo</s>	<span style="text-decoration:line-through;">testo</span>
<strike>testo</strike>	<span style="text-decoration:line-through;">testo</span>
<tt>testo</tt>	<span style="font-family:monospace;">testo</span>
<big>testo</big>	<span style="font-size:120%;">testo</span>
<b><big>testo</big></b>	<span style="font-size:larger; font-weight:bold;">testo</span>
<small>testo</small>	<span style="font-size:90%;">testo</span>
<p>	<p></p>
<br>	<br /> or <br></br>
<center>testo</center>	<p style="text-align:center;">testo</p>
<p align="center">testo</p>	<p style="text-align:center;">testo</p>
<font color="#224466">testo</font>	<span style="color:#224466;">testo</span>
<font style="text-decoration:overline">testo</font>	<span style="text-decoration:overline;">testo</span>

Wow

This page is awesome. Great work. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 05:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. -- sk (talk) 18:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Parenthesis and punctuation spacing errors, if possible.

I often see errors of a missing space before or after a parenthesis, or after a comma. E.g., "Smith traveled from New York,where he had studied, to North Carolina(accounts of the dates vary)". Can we get a list of those? bd2412 T 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will test this. Thanks for this info. -- sk (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not easy: "Antimon(III,V)-oxid", "(Anti-)Atomkraft" and so one. I have try it with different regular expression, but I have no good results. -- sk (talk) 21:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Duration

Duration: 255 minutes 19 secounds

Wait a minute! Secounds? Simply south not SS, sorry 17:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Table not correct end

Great work!

{{End}} and its redirects are used in some cases of incorrect table ends... Therefore are semi false positives... For laziness im just doing a list compare between the current 200 and what transcludes that (and {{End box}} which seems to be the most common)... —Ree dy 23:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I insert "end" "end box" and "End box". Is there more? -- sk (talk) 20:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article with <ref> and no <references/>

I think there are many false positives for this as some redirect templates are missed on en: ~~{{ref-list}}~~, {{reflink}} are a couple. Thanks Rjwilmsi 21:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No more ref-list.. —Ree dy 23:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

, I insert "reflink" in my skript. -- sk (talk) 20:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] would be them all —Ree dy 20:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Table Formatting

A few of the tables have 2 columns, where the 2nd is empty. Would be nice if you could tidy that up

—Ree dy 22:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People editing the page...

Is it me, or is it just a bit pointless? You're creating nearly 0.5 megabyte revisions to remove a few lines, which, would be remove anyway at a later update?

—Ree dy 20:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, I've been editing just to avoid overlap. Any suggestion how to get round that without new revs?Cubathy (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it's kind of silly to remove five or six lines at a time, but if you finish a section or need to take a break and want to mark off the twenty+ that are done, that makes sense to me. -Drilnoth (talk) 02:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Double Categories

What is the policy on double categories like Alpha Centauri where two items in the category (two HD objects/HIP objects in this case) point to the same page (because it's a binary star system). Seems to make some sense the way it is, but should we be creating two new pages for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubathy (talk • contribs) 09:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mismatched square bracket

Just went through the list for error 10. There were a few articles in the table which did not appear to have issues. For example:

There were about 10 in total. Seems like the script has difficulty with more complex structure (images with double bracket links in the description) and also ignores the links which Wikipedia doesn't process (i.e. the code blocks on the REBOL page). Any chance of getting these issues looked at? Cubathy (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A similar error for the table without end tag error:

Borel_functional_calculus

In REBOL it is code, then you should use the tag <source> or <code>. -- sk (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In "Black Site" it is the complex image description. But if this only in this article, then it should be change there. Normaly a image and the description stand only in one line. -- sk (talk) 21:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also in "Wikipedia" it is a complex description with references. Maybe I can fix this in future. -- sk (talk) 21:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In "Borel functional calculus" my script found "{|". This is in Wikipedia the begin of a table. If you want write it in this article then use the Math-Tag. -- sk (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

automated mistakes?

Please check edits like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2008_South_Ossetia_war&diff=next&oldid=272623918. Instead of correcting something, it removes valid and needed brackets. No idea how this project works, but something is going wrong here. --Xeeron (talk) 16:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is related to the square bracket errors in the section above. The article contains 'complicated' bracketing which the script reports as an error (but fix is not automated so this one shouldn't have been updated). Cubathy (talk) 16:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no big deal, but please be more careful when checking (not directed at you Cubathy), at pages with less traffic, such edits might go unreverted for a while. --Xeeron (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! My bad on that one. I guess I just got messed up because there aren't typically references within wikilinks, and I just didn't notice that it was part of an image. I'll be on the lookout for that in the future. Thanks for mentioning it! -Drilnoth (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery Without Description

This is one of the projects, but mw:Help:Images#Gallery of images states that captions are all optional. Why is this project present? Yellowweasel (talk) 00:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the captions are optional, but are highly recommended... it just doesn't specifically say that. Tools such as screen readers need the captions to "read" the images, so it's really an accessibility issue. -Drilnoth (talk) 00:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that in many cases, captions for each image would be redundant, such as for American Beaver. Yellowweasel (talk) 00:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah... good point. In that case I'd recommend posting something at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Stefan Kühn/Check Wikipedia, so that the script designer can take a look. -Drilnoth (talk) 00:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the description redundant then is also the image redundant. I think than we can put this images at commons and not in the article. In American Beaver this images are redundant:

They have no new information about this animal. I think it is a good idea to descripe realy every other images in this gallery. -- sk (talk) 16:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good point... when images are that redundant, you generally only need one. -Drilnoth (talk) 16:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Normally, we don´t need <nowiki><small></nowiki>. In Wikipedia we only write text. The Stylesheet (css) make with this text the right output. I hope we can eliminate all <nowiki><small></nowiki>-Tags from the text and put all formats in the stylesheet. In XHTML is small not allowed, there you can only use <nowiki><span style="font-size:80%">make me small</span></nowiki>. -- [[User:Stefan Kühn|sk]] ([[User talk:Stefan Kühn|talk]]) 16:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
+::: Hello Stefan. In [[XHTML]] a <tt><nowiki><small/></nowiki></tt> element '''[http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#dtdentry_xhtml1-strict.dtd_small is allowed]'''.  [[Cascading Style Sheets]] (CSS) are used only to describe the presentation (the look and formatting) of a document. They do not describe the "meaning" of elements (that is, non-semantic markup). If you replace i.e. <nowiki><small>testo</small></nowiki> with <nowiki><span style="font-size:90%;">testo</span></nowiki>, web-based screen readers will fail to interpret a correct meaning of a element content. Also you can use CSS to describe a look of <tt><nowiki><small/></nowiki></tt> element (instead of <tt><nowiki><span/></nowiki></tt> element). --[[User:DaBler|DaBler]] ([[User talk:DaBler|talk]]) 15:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 :::There is template allready available at [[Template:Small]]. --[[User:Snek01|Snek01]] ([[User talk:Snek01|talk]]) 22:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)