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FireFox leaving

FireFox (talk · contribs) has deleted his user page and talk page. He is one of the best users Esperanza has. Please do anything to get him back. Send him messages on his talk page, email him, do anything; just get him back. --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please join in at the vigil for FireFox at User:FireFox. --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 14:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alert! Abandoned Fox!

We have a stressed and out of his mind Wikipedian FireFox who has just left without notice! I need a volunteer to take care of his fox for now. Thank you for your cooperation.--Ed^{talk c E} 22:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I need volunteers!!!--Ed^{talk c E} 22:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you require help with? Geo. 19:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

FireFox is back now

May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 15:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is just in my opinion, but I think he probably doesn't mean it when he says "I am leaving". He probably needs time to devandalise his user page, or takes short wikibreaks of 1-2 weeks. The Updater Stubmechanic 11:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, uh...I'm new.

The little welcome template thingy says to say hi (and thank you, by the way, for welcoming me so kindly and promptly, I was very flattered)....anyway, hi. I'm Keakealani, you can call me Kea, or Keakea, or Keaks, if you want...I'm from Hawaii. More about me on my user page...otherwise, it's nice to be here. I always look for groups like this wherever I go, some place that's dedicated simply to being nice to other people, since that's my real skill (although I can get nasty when I'm mad, but I'll keep that offline, usually). Anyway, I'm rambling terribly, but...hello! —Keakealani •talk•contribs• 05:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's very nice to meet you, Kea! We're glad to have you here at Esperanza, and it will be great to spread some niceness throughout Wikipedia with you. :) -- Natalya 05:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ^_^ I recognise your name from around, as well. I'll probably be a ninja editor working on cleanup and help-y type stuff, but I don't know what path life will take me =P Anyway, thank you for the kind welcome! —Keakealani •talk•contribs• 06:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just seconding the welcome. :) It's great to have you with us. Happy editing! -- Bane s 07:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thirding ;) It's always great to see a new Esperanzian! Th ε Halo ^Θ 10:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as everyone else has been saying, welcome to Esperanza. Always nice to meet people, isn't it? --Ed^{talk c E} 15:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think we've already met on #wikipedia-esperanza, but welcome anyways! Have a nice time here! --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Confused

Hi there, I have my name on the join up list for people who don't meet the requirements yet. Just wondering, do you need to have roughly 150 main edits or just 150 edits in total? Please help, I want to join soon! ps. I have 95 main edits and roughly 325 total edits. Thanks, Jam01 05:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure it's 150 total edits. If it is, then welcome to Esperanza :) --james^(talk) 06:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, depends. If you have 150 edits to your userpage or something like that, then chances are it really isn't that great. But I took a quick look at you contribs and they look fine. I see you've welcomed a lot of people, and that's a good sign for an Esperaznan. So I'd say you don't have anything to worry about :) Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 06:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

JoanneB answered this question really well in a thread a couple sections above; Wikipedia talk:Esperanza#non-member with a question. -- Natalya 16:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update on charter amendments

The two straw polls at the Governance page have concluded, and both amendements have been accepted. The changes have been made to the Charter, the diffs of which you can see here. Many thanks to everyone who expressed their feelings on this. -- Natalya 19:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New

I just wanna say hi!!!! to everyone and I wanna thank User:The Ungovernable Force for the lovely welcome message :) --Sergio Álvarez|nodoubt9203| ^{|talk to me|}^{|what i've done|}^|e| 01:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there Sergio (or do you prefer Nodoubt?), and a very warm welcome to Esperanza. Hope you enjoy it here :) Th ε Halo ^Θ 01:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problemo. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!!! I prefer my name or my pseudonym: Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński --Sergio Álvarez|nodoubt9203| ^{|talk to me|}^{|what i've done|}^|e| 01:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's nice to meet you, we're glad you enjoyed your welcome. :) -- Natalya 04:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'm also new to esperanza. DavidJJJ 17:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to you too! :) --Joanne B 17:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to everyone who is new to Wikipedia and/or Esperanza!!! Please feel free to make yourself at home:D Thank you.--Chili14 00:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza Front Page

Please take the time to vote on Esperanza's new front page design here. Scroll down to the bottom to vote. The proposed design may be found here.--Ed^{talk c E} 01:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjourno

I was told to say hi, so here I am! Hello!
I can't wait to get started, but work comes first. I'll be back soon. Doing good for the world.

Look out, world!

I'll try to get some green in my sig soon, I'm feeling left out... — Editor at Large ( talk) 17:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, it's lovely to meet you! I'm sure the world is as happy to have you as we are. :) -- Natalya 18:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I'm very glad I found out about this group. And I updated my signature... I now start with a green E. — Editor at Large ( talk) 19:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello from me as well! I hope you like it here. Great sig, btw :) Th ε Halo ^Θ 20:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! :) --Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński ^{|talk to me|}^{|what i've done|}^|e| 20:36, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings again, and many thanks! Funny story: I finally got around to welcoming some new people, and when checking my watchlist about an hour later I found that an anonymous IP had edited my message on one user's page like so. Thankfully it was reverted very quickly by Charlesknight! And I am working on my own message to send people, because I don't like being so impersonal just adding someone else's template and signing it. I hope I have lots of time tomorrow... — Editor at Large ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism can be pretty funny sometimes. Jfing ers88 12:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! And nice to meet you!--Ed^{talk c E} 02:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strive

I am starting a Strive campagin. The Strive banner is a minor award given to anyone that strives; for any reason. They may strive to:

Make right decisons
Contribute
Fight vandalisim
Be positive
Help
Create
Protect
Maintain
For Loyalty
For just any other reason were a Wikipedian Strives.

You don't just have to use it as an award. I put it on my userpage as a reminder to myself and others to Strive in everything they do.

Feel free to help.

Thanks, Dfrg.msc File:DFRG. MSC.jpg 06:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have given it to: user: Daniel.Bryant and User: Hossen27. Dfrg.msc File:DFRG. MSC.jpg 07:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here in Esperanza, we're all about relaxation, excitement, happiness, and all that other good stuff we want to promote. The banner looks a little bit..."bland" I should say. Maybe we could try to make a cool Experanzian design for the banner. I would be happy to help you if you need anything. The Strive things a good idea, except it's not...attractive.--Ed^{talk c E} 01:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it looks like a good idea, just needs a bit of jazzing up by the fun people here at Esperanza - • The Giant Puffin • 12:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of this:

—Mets501 (talk) 12:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needs more rainbow. And flowers. (kidding) Carson 01:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That looks great! Congradulations: Mets501. Anyone else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfrg.msc (talk • contribs)
- Looks really colourful and fun. Great job - • The Giant Puffin • 17:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's better to have the 'e' in 'Strive' be green, Because the Esperanza logo is 'green', understand? (How did you make this, Mets501?)--•S e an•gorter• 10:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tried this for an improvement ;—P **•S e an•gorter•** 10:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I get it - great work sean. It's all good though, I've given both and they could be given depending on the person or the page I suppose. Dfrg.m s c ^{1 . 2 . 3} 01:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Members list

I was just adding my name to members who wanted to join Esperanza and I was looking at the list of members, and I think the active/inactive/former/ lists need to updated. Any suggestions as to how to go about updating this? — The Future 23:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Being rather un-technilogically minded, the only way I can think of is to go through it manually, since there isn't really one source that says if someone has left Wikipedia or been indef blocked or something. -- Natalya 15:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should we use a bot to do check the members? --Ter e nce Ong _{(T | C)} 15:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No bot like that exists that I know of except the Rick Block admin update script he runs to check status' of admins, but that would take a lot more time to figure out than to manually check it, I think.. — The Future 21:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request your thoughts requested regarding 3RR

User:71.34.113.170 raised a question regarding 3RR on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy).

Carcharoth responded "Actual discussion, including moving stuff to the talk page to discuss it, trumps 3RR and Being Bold everytime, IMO."

My take on this is that what Carcharoth wrote sounds good but isn't true.

Here's what I wrote:

I disagree with Carcharoth's assertion that 3RR does not apply if there is discussion. If you get to the third contentious edit on anything, you should stop and take a breather. Discussion doesn't mean "I reverted your edit and here's why". Discussion means "I think your edit should be reverted and here's why".

Yes, I know this is really hard to do when there's an egregiously bad piece of text in article mainspace. You have to use your judgment. If the text says "John Seigenthaler was suspected of..." then you have to take it out and rely on the "gross violation of policy" defense. If, on the other hand, it's just a POV rant, then it's probably better to let it stand after your second attempt and let another editor step in. If this doesn't prevent an edit war, then issue an RFC and go through the dispute resolution process. Consider this (proposed) guideline: Other than slander, libel, copyright violations and incivility in the article itself, the biggest sin on Wikipedia is edit-warring. Avoid it at all costs. --Richard 19:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some context for what I wrote... Some of you may remember that a few weeks ago, I wrote a message saying that I needed help because I was in the midst of a budding edit war with an anonymous editor who was putting in poorly written POV text. I had reached the 3RR limit and wanted to find a way to maintain Wikipedia quality without getting into an edit war and violating 3RR.

I came here and the response I got was two-fold: (1) Esperanza doesn't take sides in disuptes and (2) take a breather. Both of these comments, while frustrating at the time, turned out to be pretty good advice.

I found a sort of compromise with the anon that made him happier than it made me and the next morning another editor reverted the whole thing. The anon never came back so peace reigns in that corner of the Wikipedia universe.

Anyway, I have come to conclude that except for a few really egregious violations, the cardinal sin on Wikipedia is edit-warring.

Your thoughts and feedback are solicited.

--Richard 20:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Un nuevo miembro

Hola! Mi nombre es Chris, o Umdunno. This looked like the sort of group I would like to join as a Wikipedian, considering how much I believe in WikiLove as a concept (and how much I hate inter-Wikipedian fighting). So...good to be here! -Umdunno 23:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak much Spanish, but I actually understood what you said! I won't try and reply in Spanish, but we're glad to have you here! -- Natalya 01:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hola! Me llamo Ed. Soy de Estados Unidos. Y tu?
It is such a pleasant to meet you. Fortunately, I'm taking Spanish classes in my high school!--Ed^{talk c E} 01:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think English classes would be a bad thing either, Ed ;-) (a pleasant to meet you) Y Chris, ¿contribuyes al Wikipedia español? No contribuyo porqué es más pequeño que esta Wikipedia y puedo contribuir solamente con un nivel intermedio de español. ¡Hasta luego! :-) —Mets501 (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you insulting my English??? Must I tell you that I live in the US? And good for you, you speak intermediate Spanish. And me, I'm just a beginner =(--Ed^{talk c E} 01:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just teasing you :-) You're younger than me (I think - considering you're a freshman and I'm a junior) anyway. Everyone makes mistakes :-) —Mets501 (talk) 02:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was being sarcastic....Yes, I am a freshman. ¡Hasta mañana!--Ed^{talk c E} 03:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

¡Hola! Tengo una calificación en español, así mi español es intermedio. Me encanta hablar en español - es una lengua muy bonita. ¿Lo pienses? ¡Buenas mañanas y gracias! 87.113.21.174 08:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Estoy de acuerdo. Me gusta hablar en español también. Aquí, en Nueva York, hay muchos signos en español, y hay mucha gente que habla español, así que puedo utilizar mi español mucho. :) —Mets501 (talk) 14:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Soy el IP :P. Sí - me gustaría practicar mi español más, pero vivo en Inglaterra, y no hay muchas personas que habla español :(. —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No contribuyo al Wikipedia Espanol. Actualmente, no soy del mundo hispanohablante. Soy de los Estados Unidos, y soy italiano. Pero, mis primas viven en Espana. Either way, I appreciate everyone making the best effort of their Spanish. A good refresher for my Spanish III Accelerated class! -Umdunno 16:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

¡Muy bien! Un esperanziano hispanohablante, y orgulloso a mostrarlo. Bienvenidos. Y es ‘la Wikipedia española’, porque es ‘la enciclopedia’. »c tails!« =hello?= 17:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just a Spanish student in America too but I like Spanish a lot! —Mets501 (talk) 02:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gato. Dfrg.m s c ^{1 . 2 . 3} 08:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The translation to that is "cat".....--Ed^{talk c E} 12:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would Esperanza be useful in helping me find Wikipedians to collaborate with on articles?

A couple of weeks ago, after a conflict with an anonymous user, I declared my Wikilife to be in a state of crisis. Natalya left an encouraging note on my talk page. One of my problems was that I was facing difficulty finding Wikipedians to collaborate on articles. She suggested I join Esperanza as they could help me find Wikipedians to collaborate with.

My goal on Wikipedia is to contribute information to articles on my interests, and to make Wikifriends who share my interests. Therefore, I envisioned a system of collaboration. For example, let's say I wanted to make RuneScape a good article. I find three or four other editors who play RuneScape and wish to collaborate with me. We then work on the article: adding content and images, identifying and fixing problems, and ensuring the article meets Good Article criteria. Eventually we will send the article for peer review and nominate it for Good Article. While we discuss on the talk page about how to improve the article, we are likely to get to know each other and become Wikifriends.

Unfortunately, I have not been successful in finding Wikipedians to collaborate with. This, coupled with several other issues, including anonymous vandals and a dispute over the Homerun redirect, has caused me stress. Natalya has touted Esperanza as a way to find Wikipedians to collaborate with. Therefore, I wish to ask whether Esperanza would really be helpful in helping me find Wikipedians to collaborate with. Currently, Esperanza seems like a community of Wikipedians who send well-wishes to those who are stressed.

My interests include computers/websites and Singapore TV shows/movies. I have a to-do list on my userpage which you should consider checking out. If you are interested in collaborating with me on any of the articles listed there, please drop a note on my talk page.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have you checked out the various WikiProjects? They're a good way of collaborating with others, though some projects are more active than others. Good luck. --Fang Aili ^talk 17:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I joined the WikiProject Computer and video games to cover the Neopets, RuneScape, AdventureQuest and Chip's Challenge articles. What I need is a WikiProject for Singapore TV shows/movies. I discussed on the Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board about plans to create a WikiProject Singapore, but the proposal fell through. Would Esperanza be useful here? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 04:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe there's people at WikiProject Television (or Film) who focus on Singapore. But if you want to start a wikiproject, I recommend just doing it. (I did that with WikiProject Figure Skating - there's no acceptance process; you just do it.) There seems to be a significant community of Singaporeans on en.wp, and I'd bet that if you started a wikiproject you'd get quite a few members, even if support seemed lackluster at Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board. In fact I'm quite surpised one doesn't exist already. --Fang Aili ^talk 13:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm.. well, Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board looks to be the equivalent of WikiProject Singapore (and Wikipedia:WikiProject Singapore even redirects there). Is there some reason you can't collaborate with those folks? --Fang Aili ^talk 13:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I echo Fang Aili's suggestions about just starting the Wikiproject. People are often reluctant to start something on their own, or help to organize it, but once something has been established, they could be a lot more likely to join it and help out. -- Natalya 00:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Facebook

I think Wikipedia:Facebook is a great initative; it adds alot to the spirit of the community to actually see who it is you are talking to and working with. I think it would be great if more people contributed to it, there is hardly any! Have a look and see for yourself. Dfrg.m s c ^{1 . 2 . 3} 08:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you very much. I do not want to put my real face on Wikipedia because of what will happen to me when certain people find out, but I am searching for a creative way to illustrate myself to the Wikipedia community. I wish everybody knew about it!--Chili14 00:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are more "creative" ways to put yourself there, for users (such as myself) who value their anoninmity. Dfrg.m s c ^{1 . 2 . 3} 06:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Direct

I am back. Give me something to do. General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 21:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibreak

I know I'm kinda new to Esperanza and stuff but school's getting pretty stressful and I'd like to say thanks to all here who've been so kind, but I can't devote my time to Wikipedia like I have this summer, but I think I'll sneak in some wikitime ^_^. I just wanna thank everyone here at Esperanza! --Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński ^{|talk to me|}^{|what i've done|}^|e| 00:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No need to thank any of us. We've really enjoyed having you around, and talking with you. I'm sorry to hear that school's so stressfull, but glad that you might be able to sneak on now and then ;) I hope things get less stressful soon, and you can come back on. Best of luck until then. Th ε Halo ^Θ 10:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We'll be glad to see you whenever you get the time. :) Good luck with school! -- Natalya 00:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

deleted Image:Friendship_is_a.jpg which seems to criticise EA as a dead end friendship

I have deleted from the main Esperanza page the image Image:Friendship_is_a.jpg (available from Wikimedia Commons) which in my interpretation seemed to criticise Esperanza as a dead end friendship. If anyone disagrees with this, please discuss the appropriateness of the image. Thank you. --Tachikom a 02:06, 6 September 2006

After thinking about it, I suppose that User:Gmaxwell may have intended to suggest that friendship in of itself is the end or destination. I hope he will understand that the image that he had inserted is open to interpretation and may not say to all users what he meant. I also hope he will understand if I suggest that the image not be reinserted on the page, precisely due to this risk of misinterpretation. Please don't feel offended, it's nothing personal. This message has been copied onto the user's talk page as well. Sorry for the trouble. --Tachikom a 02:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to add that I'm sorry if I misjudged this user. To quote from one of my favorite TV shows, "occasionally, I can be callous and strange." Again, sorry. --Tachikom a 02:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank you for your kind response. Actually, I was aware of the double meaning when I put it up. I wanted to see what others would think about it. I don't object to it coming down, although it is an interesting picture. Thank you for your consideration. --Gmaxwell 02:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll reply here, since that's what you have done. Now I feel really bad about jumping to conclusions about your intentions. I'm truly sorry. --Tachikom a 02:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yo, What's Up?

Hi. I was told to introduce myself at the talk page, so here I am. Some of you already know me from the Coffee Lounge though. Eilicea 15:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I'm one of the people who don't know you from the Coffee Lounge, so it's great to meet you! I know you've already got a welcome on your talk page, but, hey, I might as well say it here too: A very big, warm welcome to Esperanza. I really hope you like it here :) Th ε Halo ^Θ 15:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Do you know how I can get a template which says I'm a member of Esperanza? Eilicea 15:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly do ;) Go here, go down the page until you find the banner section, choose the one you like best, and then copy and paste it to your page. There's also some userboxes there, if you're interested :) Th ε Halo ^Θ 15:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you here, Eilicea! -- Natalya 00:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Next Advisory Cmm. Meeting

When will the next AdvCom meeting be, just curious? Wiki eZach| talk 00:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In time to run the September elections (terms end on the 30th); as always, advance notice will be given to everyone if you have something that would like to be brought up. -- Natalya 00:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I be new!

Hey there! I've become fairly addicted to Wikipedia recently, so I thought I'd join Esperanza and see what it's like. Thanks to Sasuke-kun27 for the welcome, by the way!

So, I might as well introduce myself a bit. I'm a 19-year-old Computer Science student from Ireland. I've been obsessed with computers ever since I was a kid, and I can't survive a single day without banging my head to some heavy metal. I also like pizza. Mmmhmm; lovely stuff.

Well, that's me. Hello! ~Inkiиgton 01:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Inkington, nice to meet you! :-). I love computers as well. And pizza :-) —Mets501 (talk) 02:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We're glad to have you here! -- Natalya 20:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome aboard! :) --Core des at talk. o_O 20:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just had to share this with someone...

I know this isn't exactly related to the mission of Esperanza but I just had to share this with someone.

So... I was using the Lupin filter of recent changes to do some RC Patrulling. Up comes this article Poutine which matches the keyword "poo" (used in providing the pronuncination of this French word). I figure "OK, that's a reasonable use of the syllable but, hey, what's this article about? Is it a hoax? I mean food that looks like poo and has a name that sounds like poo? Come on. This can't be for real." So, I read the article and was pretty suspicious until I saw the CBC link. Ya know, this might actually be legit. Anytime somebody makes fun of our American low-brow culture, I'm gonna reference this bit of Canajun culture.

P.S. If this does turn out to be a hoax, I'm gonna be SOOOO embarassed.

--Richard 06:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha. There is such a thing as poutine, it doesn't taste very good, and it is pronounced as "poo", I guess just because the French (Canadians) are silly :P ~ Booya ^Bazooka 07:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes poutine does in fact exist in real life. It's actually one of my favorite foods. French fries+Gravey+Cheese Curds=delicious. You mostly find it in eastern Canada, probably not any farther west than Toronto except at Ski Resorts. Nearly every ski resort in Canada or the US will probably serve poutine on their cafeteria menu, and it's worth trying. Yum. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c e} 17:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you were talking about Poitín for a moment there, a frankly dubious substance that I occasionally use to frighten visitors away!
—Chris (blather • contribs • e)

18:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naming coincidence? I think not! :P Canadian-Bacon ^{t c e} 22:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no Cabal. No, seriously. Really. Not kidding. What? You don't believe me? Why not. I'm serious. No Cabal. None. I promise. Absolutely. No, I'm not holding anything behind my back ... - CheNuevara 01:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new to Esperanza.

Hi. I'm suit-n-tie. I edit on wikipedia and I joined Esperanza tonight. You can know more about me on my page.--suit-n-tie

Hi Suit-n-tie, a very big warm welcome to esperanza!! It's really great to meet you, and I hope you enjoy it here :) Th ε Halo ^Θ 10:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's very nice to meet you - I hope you enjoy yourself here! -- Natalya 14:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your username's awesome! —Mets501 (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Um...Thanks...Why are you so happy?--Suit-n-tie 19:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's just the Esperanza way, I suppose. :D -Umdunno 20:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Esperanza! :D --Core des at talk. o_O 20:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Hello

Hi. I saw a couple of memers on this group, but I hadn't joined till after today when I gave an admin a barnstar for humor and saw that he was also a member of Esperanza. You can find me on the IRC server, as I have allready joined (I go AFK alot so just say my name or PM me and I will reply). And thank you to Sasuke-kun for the welcome message. D e mos D e mon 20:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! FellowWikipedian 21:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be a pain

But I created a subpage at User:Umdunno/Esperanza, but I can't seem to change my "o" green to link it up. I tried following the instructions, and since I couldn't find a "Nickname" section, I copy/pasted to the "signature" section, except that left me posting the letter "o" as a signature. Que es la problema? -Umdunno 21:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Did you set your preferences to a raw signature? D e mos D e mon 22:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

La problema es que necesitas reemplazar sólo uno de las letras de tu apodo con el vínculo a Esperanza. Actualmente, puedes inscribir:

--[[User:Umdunno|Umdunn]][[User:Umdunno/Esperanza|<font color="green">o</font>]]

En ves de todos (y algo de) los contenidos en la caja. Después, necesitas marcar "Firma sin enlace automático". ¡Muchas gracias! —Celestianpower ^háblame 22:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(translation) The problem is that you need to replace only one of the letters from your signature with the link to Esperanza. Actually, you can enter:

--[[User:Umdunno|Umdunn]][[User:Umdunno/Esperanza|<font color="green">o</font>]]

Instead of all (and any) of the contents of the box. Then, you need to check "Raw signature". Many thanks! —Celestianpower ^háblame 22:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias, amigos! -Umdunn o 02:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Er, "hi" and stuff

I thought it was about time I actually joined in with the community after spending a few weeks committing random acts of editing. My first day as an Esperanzan (is that a real word? I suppose it is now) seems to have mostly involved reverting other people's edits and playing with userboxes, which seems like a potentially rather inauspicious start. I'll try harder. Hopefully.

Anyway. Er, "hi".
—Chris (blather • contribs • e) 23:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's never too late to change =).--Ed^{talk c E} 23:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is actually Esperanzian, but you were close.

Consider particiapting in some of the programs here at Esperanza. They can be a lot of fun! -- Heave n's Wrath ^Talk 03:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he's right... according to the faq, it's Esperanzan... no I D e mos D e mon 06:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've only been here five minutes and I seem to have already caused some discord. :)
—Chris (blather • contribs • e)

13:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know, there was this disscussion in the coffee lougne not long back, and it was decided that both was okay :) And don't worry about discord Chris, we're just gald to have you here :) Th ε Halo ^Θ 13:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chris, look what you did!!! Now there's a HUGE argument on how to call ourselves! =) Personally, I like Esperanzian.--Ed^{talk c E} 14:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LAME? :P Just kidding. --Core des at talk. o_O 21:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Ignores Coredesat.) Celestianpower agrees with me.

(See FAQ history.) -- Heave n's Wrath ^Talk 21:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now now, I was kidding. :P But anyway, welcome to Esperanza, Chris! :D --Core des at talk. o_O 21:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"It might be spelt Esperanzian, but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove". Sorry, but someone had to say it! Anyway, thanks for the welcome, everyone.
—Chris (blather • contribs • e)

21:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HAH! Have to change something when there's a mistake... that's what's good about wikipedia. So is it with an I or not... now I'm confused... D e mos D e mon 22:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Depends... do you like the letter I? jam es^(talk) 22:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza, a good group.

EA is a good group that greatly enhances Wikipedia Civilty! •S e an•gorter• 09:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, we're a great bunch. Pats on the back all around, I say! Th ε Halo ^Θ 10:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Next AC meeting

The next meeting of the Advisory Council will be held this Sunday, 17 September 2006. Please add any topics that you would like to be discussed to the section at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Advisory Committee Meeting September 2006. Thanks! -- Natalya 14:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Front page redesign wrapping up!

For those of you who haven't been watching the page, the Esperanza front page redesign has pretty much finished! Everyone is invited to take a look at the final design; if there are no issues found, it will go live in a day or two. Lots of people have put lots of hard work into it, so be sure to take a look! -- Natalya 14:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to say that we need as much constructive criticism as possible. Everything can be tweaked if people feel there is a problem. Our visual goals were to make the page less cluttered, more clean, and easier to navigate. Our content goals were to get directly to the point and better describe what Esperanza is (less stuff that some people consider "wishy-washy," more stuff about what we actually do). Let us know either on the page linked above or in this thread here whether we've accomplished that, and if there is anything visually or content-wise that you would change. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 16:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I for one like it. It looks a lot more professional then the previous page and seems a lot more navigable and less cluttered. Using the day by day calender looks a lot cleaner than having the whole month up. The projects listing at the bottom is very clean as well. I don't really have much criticism to give, it's Very well done. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c e} 17:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A month and a day late Esperanza anniversary

Thanks to the good memories of Ed, and NoSeptember, it was discovered that Esperanza's one-year anniversary was on August 12th. It wasn't realized until a couple days ago, so I thought we could at least celebrate a month late, and recognize it on the 12th of September. But of course, with how well I manage to do with time zones, it turns out that with UTC, it's now actually the 13th of September. But regardless, I just wanted to wish all of Esperanza a very happy month-and-a-day-late Esperanza birthday! We have done some great things as Esperanzians, and I look forward to it continuing for a long while. Keep it up! -- Natalya 01:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hooray, Esperanza! -- Heave n's Wrath ^Talk 01:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please view Wikipedia:Esperanza/Proposals#Holiday Committee to see the current plan to solve this problem. The proposal is still a speculation, but I think it is a great way to make sure our holidays are more remembered and celebrated. running out to buy some candy for Halloween!!!--Ed^{talk c E} 01:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A month and a day late Esperanza anniversary?? Let me get those streamers and balloons ;) Th ε Halo ^Θ 10:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Party! -- Bane s 10:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Hey everyone, when I typed in Alphabet Spaghetti into Wikipedia and it came up with no results - I was pysically sick. So help me make Alphabets (pasta) a great article. I need your help! Thanks, Dfrg.m s c ^{1 . 2 . 3} 06:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive my ignorance, but is this the same thing or slightly different than Alphabet soup? EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 15:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forgiven. Non, Alphabet soup is soup and Alphabet Spaghetti is pasta! Dfrg.m s c ^{1 . 2 . 3} 10:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Esperanza!

I'm new and looking at stuff on this WikiProject... Auroranorth 12:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this really a WikiProject?--Chili14 17:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Page is Up!

New page is up! Check it out EA! Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 04:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the navigation section be moved to the top of the page?--TBCTaLk?!? 00:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like the new calendar. If there aren't any anniversaries, why do we have to have the thing say "user" "user" and "user" again? In fact, it might be easier to use an ifexist: thing when it is empty, which it should be if there are no anniversaries. People can follow guidelines if they want to create an appropriate page. Jfing ers88 03:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The calendar is meant to be very simple and easy to use. The User was the first thing that I put in when I was reorganizing the calendar. I have sinced changed it to None as per Celestianpower's suggestion. The goal of the calendar is to have every event covered in the future. There are plenty of users who are not on the calendar, and a project would be to fill it up. I originally added User to make it simple for a future user to add in a name. – Heave n's Wrath ^Talk 15:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newcomer: SaturnYoshi

Good day to everyone. I am happy to announce that I too have joined this wonderful commitee known as Esperanza. I would also like to personally thank Sasuke -kun27 for welcoming me in such a hasty fashion. Let us all strive for excellence!! -Saturn Yoshi ^{THE VOICES} 23:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Esperanza! :D --Core des at talk! 20:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, SaturnYoshi! I'm sending off an Esperanza balloon with a welcome message for you ;-D -- Editor at Large • talk 16:30, 17 September 2006 (EST)

Thank you!!! You all are too kind! :D -Saturn Yoshi ^{THE VOICES} 21:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New design

Just like to say, the new design is great. Well done, Highway ^Daytrippers 17:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded! Dfrg.m s c ^{1 . 2 . 3} 07:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most recent AC meeting and September elections

The September AC meeting recently finished! A summary of the meeting can be found at the meeting information page, as well as in the newsletter that will soon go out, but just in case you miss it, here is the gist of things that happened:

The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived.
Since the program in development Appreciation week is getting lots of good ideas, it will be having a separate page made for it.
The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself!
The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it!
TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly!

Most notable on that list is the September 2006 Council elections! If you wish to be a part of the council, or to help with the election staff, please list yourself at the elections page.

As always, if you have any questions, drop me a line. Enjoy your evening/afternoon/morning! -- Natalya 22:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Natalya, you spelled Appreciation wrong. I know I'm not supposed to correct talk comments but what you wrote is like an address to the Esperanza community. I hope you can forgive my in changing the spelling.--Ed^{talk c E} 23:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Today is not my best spelling day - thanks for the correction, Ed. :) -- Natalya 01:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciation week casn be seen here. Regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 11:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Front page new layout

Hi everybody. I am experiencing a problem viewing the new front page. I got a Mozilla 1.7.1 browser and i see nothing but a big green background. Anyone's having the same problem? -- Szvest 11:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign[reply]

Yep! I'm using Firefox 1.0.7. -- M e rope 20:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And We are not sure how to fix that. One of the reasons I will most likley not switch to firefox. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 20:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to find out what is wrong with the markup. If anybody has any ideas post it here thanks. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 21:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a note, I have no problem with the page with Firefox 1.5.0.7. A couple questions for the people having problems:

What page does it edit when you click "edit" on top right of the big green square?
Do you have any problems with Portal:Architecture?

Thanks in advance for your responses. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 21:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to number one is "Esperanza/programs". I have no problems with Portal:Architecture. -- Merope ^Talk 21:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've put up a temporary fix that incorporates the new material but works in Firefox and IE. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I think that a page that is visible to everyone is more important than a page that looks great to some but is unreadable to others. I hope this will serve while we figure out how to fix the other template. -- Merope ^Talk 22:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. I've updated Firefox to 1.5.0.7 and the old version works great. Hmmmm. Maybe we could restore it with a note that says "if it doesn't work, upgrade"? Grrr! -- Merope ^Talk 22:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to include a checkbrowser? - CheNuevara 22:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok with Merope's quick fix is there anymore problems? Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 23:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The page looks funny to me... mainly, I'm getting a lot of Portal:box-header type links in there for some reason. Is that how the temporary page is supposed to look? Danny Lilithborne 04:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm getting those now, too. What up? At any rate, tomorrow I'd like to look at Æon's sandbox version and play around with that, if it's okay. I'm not very good with layouts, but I am pretty decent at catching errors. The hack version I did really shouldn't stay. -- Merope ^Talk 04:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Err Sceanshot please? Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 04:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Danny Lilithborne 04:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for working to figure this out, everyone Your hard work is appreciated! -- Natalya 14:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what is causing that as it should work in IE and firefox now without any problems. I will keep looking at the markup and find out. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 18:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to work on it today, before I remembered that I upgraded my browser here at the office. D'oh! My home computer is still having that problem, so I'll try to check it out there. -- Merope ^Talk 18:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Merope I'm out of ideas on how to fix it. Hopefully we can fix it Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 18:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If we eventually figure it out, let's see if we can get the calendar back where it was (not aligned with the news). It looked so much better that way.... EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 20:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's one of the (many) problems with using tables to do a layout, but it's functional. I hope that between Æon and others we can resolve this issue quickly. -- Merope ^Talk 20:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made a slight switch with the EA Menu and the Calendar (not so much of a blank spot now at least). I know there has to be a way to make them line up correctly I'm just not sure what it is yet. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 00:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I combined the elements to eliminate the white space. Look at the history to see what I did. Not sure if it is the best approach, but it seems to work. – Heave n's Wrath ^Talk 01:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks cool now! Thanks guys. -- Szvest 09:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign[reply]

Just to confirm; is the front page now displaying correctly for everyone, regardless of which browser is being used? -- Natalya 04:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

how about a navigation bar for Esperanza pages?

We already have a navigation bar of sorts on the Esperanza main page... how about a small navigation bar on the various Esperanza subpages, such as this page, the Coffee Lounge, the Alerts pages, etc.? I know that people can go to the main page and then go to another section of Esperanza, but a navbar on each subpage would save a little time. Any thoughts on this? --Kyok o 13:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That could work, but it would have to wait until some issues that came up with the new page are solved. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 18:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I realize it isn't exactly what you meant, but I'll mod Che Nuevara's wiki navbar to include complete ESP navigation; it won't take me very long. A navbar on the page would still be neat, but for those of you using my navbar I think it's a worthwhile addition. - CheNuevara 19:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ooooo that looks good. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 19:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's up -- just go to the navbar page and follow the "v 1.1E" link up top. As always, feel free to edit the code to include whatever you like, or ask me and I'll make alterations for you. - CheNuevara 19:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a guideline along the lines of Wikipedia:Be kind?

Hi,

I just wrote a message to a user suggesting that he could have been kinder to an anonymous editor who was unaware of the WP:3RR rule by explaining the rule rather than asking for a block when the anon went over the 3RR limit. I suggested that, while users are under no obligation to warn other editors that they are about to violate the 3RR rule, it is a reasonable courtesy to expect.

I suppose this comes under the general rubric of "Don't bite the newbies" but I was wondering if there was a guideline that expressed the sentiment that I'm talking about.

--Richard 18:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CIVIL, maybe? Kind of, anyway. Best, Moreschi 19:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think WP:BITE comes pretty close to what I had in mind. My point was that helping people understand what the rules are is more important than hitting them over the head with the penalty for violating a rule. Combined with WP:CIVIL, WP:BITE will do the trick for now. --Richard 19:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Join?

Ummm this might be a dumb question... but how do I go about joining Esperanza? -- Chabuk 19:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members. It's all right there :) - CheNuevara 19:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a dumb question. It took me a while to figure out how to do it as well. -Saturn Yoshi ^{THE VOICES} 01:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Did anyone notice that the newsletter had Appreciation spelled wrong? I'm not trying to insult anyone though, just to bring it to the author's attention.--Ed^{talk c E} 02:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like Appreciation has been mispelled many different ways this past week. It is a tough word, I guess. It has was fixed now. – Heave n's Wrath ^Talk 02:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes, this is the second time I reported a misspelled word.--Ed^{talk c E} 02:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the appreciation taken to make sure I can spell "appreciation" correctly. :D Sorry about the mistake. -- Natalya 11:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still trying to figure out "has but put up" in #4 about the AC meeting ;). NoSeptember 05:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

What is going on here???!!! I think a grammar lesson would be beneficial to Esperanza. =) --Ed^{talk c E} 14:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Member

Hey all! Joined Esperanza a few days ago and thought I'd drop an "I'm new" on the talk page. Currently I have a proposal on the table for a signature award. Great stuff going on here! - Mike 14:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mike, really great to have you here. I hope you enjoy yourself :) Th ε Halo ^Θ 15:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Just want to say hi - I'm new, and I was greeted a few minutes after I added my name to the list! I had been on Wikipedia for about one and a half months and had about 140 total edits when I learnt about Esperanza. I added my name to the "user who wanted to join but haven't meet the requirements yet" list. Although I had well above 150 total edits in a day after adding my name, I waited until I had above 150 main edits before I move my name to the "active" list. Hello again to all of you here, and thank you to User: riana_dzasta for welcoming me soo fast! Joshua C hi e w 14:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Josh, it's great to meet you! So many great new people joining Esperanza :) I hope you enjoy it here. Th ε Halo ^Θ 15:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]