Category talk:6th-century bishops in Gaul

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Opposed speedy move request

Category:6th-century bishops in Gaul to Category:6th-century Frankish bishops – C2E: More historically appropriate Rathfelder (talk) 15:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Rathfelder these are not quite the same thing as the Franks conquered the Kingdom of the Burgundians in 534. Viventiolus and Apollinaris of Valence were Burgundian rather than Frankish and Caesarius of Arles Burgundian then Frankish. TSventon (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We havent got a Burgundian category for bishops yet, but I'm still working on them. I dont think Gaul is appropriate after 482. Rathfelder (talk) 18:20, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, the articles usually do not mention Frankish. In the course of the 6th century the Franks were the conquerors of large parts of Gaul, so people in Gaul were not necessarily considered to be Frankish. Renaming to Category:6th-century Gallo-Roman bishops could be an alternative (speedy) candidate, per Category:6th-century Gallo-Roman people. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rathfelder, I agree with Marcocapelle, Franks#Etymology discusses Romans becoming Franks from the 7th century. I don't think that dates and boundaries in 6th century Gaul are certain enough to accurately categorise bishops between Frankish, Burgundian, Ostrogothic and Visigothic kingdoms. TSventon (talk) 12:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wasnt trying to distinguish between the kingdoms, just to seperate by geography. Maybe its more sensible to leave them as "in Gaul". Anyway this doesnt seem suitable for a Speedy decision - its too complex, so I had better withdraw it. Rathfelder (talk) 16:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]