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This article was nominated for merging with Music Production and Engineering Major at Berklee on September 17, 2023. The result of the discussion was PROD instead.

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Move?

I propose moving the list of prominent alumni to its own page. This list could get out of hand pretty quickly. I think it's already long enough to warrant its own article. Please vote either support or oppose and state your reasons. I'll give this two days. --malber 00:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Melissa Etheridge is listed as an alumni, then later on is designated as an honorary degree receipient. Not the same. Perhaps someone who knows more about that than me could do an edit? Highonhendrix (talk) 08:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She did both, I just added the source the short list of Prominent Alumni from the Berklee website. --PM - PhilyG ^talk 02:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No introduction

Someone, please, add an introduction... --84.249.252.211 21:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Entrance audition

There have been several insertions by anonymous editors that Berklee now requires an entrance audition. The most I've been able to find is that prospective students are required to demonstrate basic music skills such as the ability to read music. This was not required when I attended, so this is an obvious change, but I haven't been able to find any sources to cite that an audition is required. If someone can find a citation, please include it. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 12:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, I added the source. Also, the actual acceptance rate for this semester was ~34% according to Roger Brown himself at this year's freshman orientation, but I can't find any transcriptions of that speech or websites that are up to date in that regard.

Berklee Acceptance

--Zetsuie 13:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC) i was wondering about the acceptance for audio engineering major like what is required to apply for that im currently a senior in high school and i have chosen this career path and i was hoping to find out more information about berklee's acceptance standards from an indepndant source[reply]

Hopefully it isn't too late for you to hear this, but the acceptance rate for Berklee's Audio Engineering program, MP&E, is about %45. To get in you have to have accrued 24 Berklee credits, so that usually means that you will be applying in your second semester in hopes to begin your third semester. MP&E is a great program and hopefully you are still interested. That is the major I am doing. Good luck man!--Phil McGowan (PhilyG) 21:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mass Ave

I think the main picture should be of the 150 or 130 mass ave buildings, not the 1140 building. the 1140 building is a generic looking building with a lame little flag; the 150 building has the massive flags and the distinctive overhang, and the 130 building has unique architecture. Thoughts? 192.136.22.4 23:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; and although it seems that someone has already added a picture of the building's rear, I think the lede picture should probably be the front of 150 Mass Ave — if not the main entrance, then maybe the building's distinctive corner on Mass Ave and Boylston. And a photo of the Uchida entrance wouldn't hurt, either. Cribcage 18:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The 1140 building is historically the original Berklee building. This is where the first classrooms and the first dorms were. It's currently the administrative headquarters. It's also, IMO, an architecturally better looking building than 150 Mass Ave or even the Uchida building. However, the article does need more free images. Next time I go to Boston I'll try to remember my digital camera :-) —Malber (talk • contribs) 19:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about its architecture. However, as campuses expand and develop, I don't think it makes sense to necessarily select a lead picture based on whether a building used to be that university's headquarters. Also, your information is a bit out of date: Berklee's administrative offices (registrar, bursar, career development, dean's office, etc.) are located in the Uchida building, not 1140 Boylston. Cribcage 09:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a Berklee student myself, I will let everyone know that 150 Mass Ave is the epicenter of the college and it is generally seen as the main building of the campus. 1140 technically isn't the first Berklee building as the Schillinger House of Music (what Berklee was called originally) was first housed in a different building no longer used by the college. Albeit 1140 is the oldest building though. Since I am here I will try to snap a picture of 150 Mass Ave and will put it up in place of the logo.--Phil McGowan (PhilyG) 21:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

University info box

Why in the world would we change from the standardized University info box to a non-standardized table? --ElKevbo 17:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you asked. The answer is that another user was kind enough to spend his time creating a nicer version of Wikipedia's stark, bland infobox for some other colleges (see here) — and, appreciating his contribution, I decided to implement it on a few other pages. He was careful to design a template that satisfied WP:MOS, and he cleverly chose a very slightly offset color to draw the reader's eye to the pertinent summary without making it appear ostentatious.

If you compare pages, you'll find that no information or content has been changed or removed: The new infobox matches exactly the old one in every detail except appearance — it's just an opportunity to present a cleaner look, thanks to the careful work of a fellow editor. Cribcage 17:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then the change needs to be made to the template, not to a few scattered articles. Your intentions are good but you're going about this in the wrong way. --ElKevbo 17:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a good suggestion; and if you want to propose it, I'll vote to support. In the meantime, I'm not inclined to wade into Wikipedia's bureaucracy; thankfully, there's no policy against improving a few scattered articles. (To the contrary.) Cribcage 18:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing a handful of infoboxes without bothering to suggest that the replaced template be improved is quite lazy and (to a small degree) harmful in that it increases the administrative overhead for what should be consistent articles. If you'd like some help in figuring out how best to propose some changes to a template, please let me know. --ElKevbo 03:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you've returned 3 months later to revert the table format again. I wish you would find a more constructive way to spend your time; myriad articles need copyediting and sourcing, for example, and there are many more yet to be created. In the meantime, please try to remember that we try to avoid reverting non-controversial edits unless they violate specific policy. Thanks. Cribcage 20:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You've provided no compelling reason not to employ an infobox that provides uniformity among university articles. --ElKevbo 03:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hockey Team Paragraph

Ghosts&empties, the paragraph in this article about the Berklee Ice Cats does constitute a paragraph. As I was attending the college at the time, I will tell you that it was a very exciting and important time for the college. This is the first sports team that Berklee has had in it's over 60 year history. Also, the fact that the team did relatively well for it's first season ever definitely is noteworthy. I will be open to any opposition you have, just post a reply on this talk page. Thank you. --PM - PhilyG ^talk 14:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia

The 09:01, 13 September 2008 118.136.5.49 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cost

Does anyone know how much it costs to attend the college?Patches9713 (talk) 00:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, why keep this out? Revan ltrl (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure but I haven't seen many other colleges list a price on their wikipedia page. Jwh335 (talk) 08:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it's considered non encyclopedic information. Jwh335 (talk) 02:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I am a current student, I could inform the world of current Tuition costs, but I agree that it is not appropriate for this site. To stay accurate, you would have to rely on current students continuously giving you the current tuition cost. How many other colleges have their tuition listed on Wikipedia? --PM - PhilyG ^talk 01:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's been some recent edits regarding cost and students perspective. As also a Berklee alumnus, I think it's also important for other prospective students to know this too, but I also agree a bit that it should probably go to a different section in the page. I'm checking out other pages to see how they deal with availability of financial aids. Calvin Limuel 14:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin Limuel (talk • contribs)

Rock in the curriculum

This article says the following: "The original mission of Berklee was to prepare students... providing formal training in jazz, rock, and other contemporary music not available at other music schools."

Rock was not in the original curriculum. When Berklee began, rock was in its infancy, jazz was considered to be popular music (despite the new bebop scene), and other popular music of the day utilized jazz vocabulary and jazz musicians. When I attended Berklee (late 70s - early 80s) there were two or three classes and a few ensembles that related to rock. At that time, more and more of the new students coming in were interested in rock and it grew from there. One of the early classes I remember was "The Music of John Lennon" which began in 1980. gnar 12.72.192.228 (talk) 12:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, changed. Glassbreaker5791 (talk) 01:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conservatory?

In the introduction, Berklee is described as an "independent music college". Wouldn't this be better described as being a "conservatory"? The Boston article lists it as such in the education section. If there are no objections, I'll go ahead and change it, I just didn't know if there was some reason that the use of the term was being avoided. Glassbreaker5791 (talk) 01:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Fully" accredited--meaningful or empty bragging?

The phrase "fully accredited" sounds like bragging to me. How is it better than simply "accredited"? Is there really such a thing as full versus partial accreditation in this case? Rahul (talk) 02:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good call; I removed the word "fully" from the article.

On the topic of accreditation, is Berklee accredited by anyone other than their regional accreditor? Is there a specialized music accreditation? If they have music education degrees, are they NCATE-accredited? ElKevbo (talk) 05:13, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Acceptance Rate

I remember in the 1970s when Berklee would accept pretty much anyone who applied, though the graduation requirements were fairly high and very few of the students actually graduated. That approach was dropped at some point, probably because of an increasing number of applicants, but I don't have documentation on this. Bostoner (talk) 03:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They rejected Nina Simone... 2001:A61:BAF:F001:7CF2:9A25:283A:B1F6 (talk) 11:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It was Curtis Institute of Music in Philadelphia that had rejected Nina Simone's application.

Pronunciation

Is the name of the college pronounced the same as Berkeley, California? If not, could someone please add an IPA transcription? thanks! BigSteve (talk) 11:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well the current name Berklee is named after Lee Eliot Berk, so technically it should be pronounced Berk+Lee, last syllable being /liː/, only a tad different from the last syllable of Berkeley /li/, less open vowel. But I don't think anybody would notice that. I also try to pronounce Berklee without making the /kl/ cluster sound but separating them, but nobody really does that either. Calvin Limuel 15:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

The Real Book

I was attending Berklee between '72 and '75. In that period, my friend and his friend made the Real Book! It took them 6 months to complete it, and the day after it came out, somebody copied it and was selling it for $5 less! Amazing start of history, eh? Cathomatic (talk) 06:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)Cathomatic[reply]

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Proposed merge of Music Production and Engineering Major at Berklee into Berklee College of Music

Closing with consensus to PROD the article instead. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The article about the degree relies almost entirely on primary sources. Lacking a subject-specific notability guideline that I know of, the article must pass WP:GNG — which it does not. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoSquirrel69: What exactly do you think should be merged? I don't think the details in that article are appropriate for this article as they're just way too detailed for this broad overview of the entire history. Maybe one or two sentences could be copied or created to summarize critical and historically important information. I think it may be more appropriate to simply delete the article about the major. ElKevbo (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ElKevbo: I was thinking much the same thing when starting this discussion, but thought it would be likely that a deletion discussion would close with consensus to merge anyways. However, you are right in saying that the majority of the article's comment would likely be discarded during a merge, so I'm not opposed to an AfD; feel free to go ahead with that and close this discussion if you feel that would be better! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Any objections to trying a proposed deletion first? It seems like a clear-cut and non-controversial deletion. ElKevbo (talk) 19:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No objection whatsoever. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:10, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ElKevbo (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing that, ElKevbo! I've rescued the little that I could from the article and removed the merge tags. I think any further discussion will only be about deletion, so I'll close this thread. For what it's worth:

Merger complete. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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