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Major Problems with this page[edit]

Several problems here - Corned Beef in the US is clearly a different product to the one used in the UK & Ireland (and Commonwealth countries) - UK Corned beef is tinned. Even when sold as a deli counter sliced meat, it has come from a bigger tin. It's made with Saltpetre (probably salt too - but the saltpetre is the main thing). Usually imported from South America - and before the Falklands war almost entirely from Argentina. US corned beef is a cured beef product - it's not usually tinned. (but tinned UK style corned beef is possibly available too). It's counterpart in Europe is Salt Beef - typically a Kosher product. Tinned Corned beef was popular during the two world wars as a non-perishable meat for use by troops - and christened "Bully Beef" - not because it sounds like Bouillon - but because beef comes from a Bull - and there would often be a picture of one on the the can. During the 2nd world war it was sold increasingly to civilians in the UK and Ireland - meat was tightly rationed by the Government, and the meat ration could be doubled if applied to corned beef rather than fresh meat. This led to it being used in traditional recipes such as Lancashire Hot Pot, Irish Stew, or Scouse - and turning them into Corned Beef Hash. - often with very little meat and large amounts of potatoes - which could be grown locally in gardens and allotments. It's entirely possible that tinned corned beef is intended to be a version of the 'Salt Beef' sold as 'Corned Beef' in the US - but it really isn't remotely similar. The meat in tinned corned beef is chopped rather than minced.

Corned Beef remains popular in UK - but salt beef and Pastrami are also increasingly popular as sandwich fillings - often with heavy Dark Rye Bread (eg. Pumpernickel) rather than the lighter Rye Breads eaten with corned beef in the US. Part of popularity of the tinned version is that it keeps forever in the tin, and can be used to make a meal extremely quickly. West Indian (Caribbean) and Irish brands are available in specialist sections of supermarkets in UK

The whole section on Ireland and the famine needs cutting out - it's not remotely relevant - it's about beef NOT corned beef. Irish Beef is seen in the UK as a high quality product (Many restaurant - McDonalds & Burger King for example generally state : We only use British and Irish Beef ) - Differences in Irish and UK diets are subtle - like regional English differences.

If I could put all this in a revised article and source the information I would but it would take me more time than I have ! - Sorry !


Corned Beef vs. Pastrami vs. Montreal Smoked Meat[edit]

The statement "Smoking corned beef, usually with the addition of extra spices such as black pepper, produces a cold cut known as pastrami, or, in Canada, smoked meat" is misleading at best. It is most obviously interpreted as meaning that pastrami is known by the name "smoked meat" in Canada. This is flat out false - "pastrami" is both widely available and commonly known. "Smoked meat" is generally a Montreal or Quebec item, and is known in other parts of Canada as "Montreal smoked meat" where it is also both widely available and commonly known, very often alongside both pastrami and corned beef.

While it can be similar to corned beef and pastrami, generic smoked meat is considered distinct from both. Most importantly, it differs from both by way of the fact that it is usually not "corned" or brine cured - it is simply smoked. The Wikipedia entries for pastrami and smoked meat note these differences. Montreal smoked meat on the other hand is a specific item that is in fact similar to corned beef and pastrami.

Salt Beef/Corned beef[edit]

Isn't salt beef REALLY different to corned beef? It my corned beef is minced beef and fat served tinned. Whereas salt beef is slices of salted preserved beef? I very different eating experiance, and much tastier! If so, why is salt beef directing here? Here is some salt beef: http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/742/177016.JPG and here is corned: http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/813/10087701.JPG rather different, i hope you will agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.208.94 (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I Thought this had been dealt with a long time ago! At the end of 2006/early 2007 it was all correct, but someone keeps changing the facts of the article.

In the UK, Salt Beef is sold in delicatessens, often hot:Katzs deli corned beef.jpg

Corned Beef is sold in a tin. This is the beef usually known as Bully Beef: 80px

Salt Beef is NEVER known as bully beef OR Corned Beef and is not sold in a tin.

J.P.Lon (talk) 09:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

"Corned beef" can be found in packets or at the delicatessan in pretty much any supermarket. It'll be next to the ham, and it looks exactly like the picture above 94.194.66.92 (talk) 21:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I've lived in both the US and the UK and can safely state the the corned beef in the US is not the same as the corned beef in the UK - Corned beef in the UK comes in tins (even when it's sliced on the deli counter it started out in tins). The corned beef in the US is just like salt beef - salted and boiled brisket. 75.69.101.208 (talk) 16:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, the UK part of the article is not correct, in the UK corned beef always comes in cans - it's made from minced beef cooked in a can with fat - usually imported from South America - this is also known as bully beef, which is not the same as boiled beef (which is a piece of beef boiled). What Americans call corned beef we call, salt beef, or boiled beef (which is made from salted brisket, which has been boiled)--62.249.233.80 (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

"...in the UK corned beef always comes in cans..." Apart from the slices that you can buy pre-packaged or on the supermarket deli counter? Tool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.185.144.121 (talk) 13:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

You mean the stuff that they've taken out of their catering size cans and sliced for you? The fact that you buy the stuff in small quantities pre-sliced with a hefty mark-up doesn't mean that it didn't originally come in a can from argentina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.68.120 (talk) 09:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

2016 No changes were made to reflect this or expand upon. If you look up salt preserved meat, there is very little in the entry in Wikipedia. It just clicked to me that Canadian/American corned beef brisket is actually salt beef, and why you would probably never find "salt beef" if you ever went looking for it in a regular grocery store. I have never heard of the term Salt beef in Canada before, only in Caribbean recipes, where it used to be used a lot, and was probably introduced by the British Sailors/Navy. It seems the term was also used in New Newfoundland also, and probably disappeared when the Canadian term was introduced. This article explains why Jews are also associated with corned beef, more so than a British practice/tradition http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1359876/Salt-beef-You-make-dont-forget-tell-half.htmlStarbwoy (talk) 16:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Corned beef with rice[edit]

I'm not sure where it originated, but corned beef hash mixed with tomato sauce, assorted spices, and a few other optional ingredients, served over rice is a popular dish in Hispanic homes. --38.101.126.131 (talk) 14:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Originated from British/ territories / islands in the Caribbean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starbwoy (talkcontribs) 16:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Two very different products[edit]

We're clearly dealing with two very different products here. The UK (and Commonwealth?) version of corned beef, packaged in tins and formed of ground cooked and uncooked beef, and the version eaten pretty much everywhere else, which has more in common with pastrami. This needs to be made more clear in the article lead, and both products should be given their own sections.

GBev1987 (talk) 17:26, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Separate page for "Bully Beef"?[edit]

There appear to be issues with this page convoluting two different types of beef product. I think the simplest solution is to move the UK usage to Bully Beef. Power~enwiki (talk) 02:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)