Talk:Lemon law

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I removed a link from this article because it does not satisfy WP:EL, specifically Links to avoid: "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." Corey Salzano (talk) 04:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User 24.123.81.98 has started inserting links to attorney websites. User Ohnoitsjamie and myself have reverted these insertions. Corey Salzano 20:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed more links. Here's why: WP:EL states links should be avoided under the following criteria...

  • Links to sites with objectionable amounts of advertising.
  • Links mainly intended to promote a website.
  • Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority.
  • Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article.

The sites I removed were blogs run by and/or promoting Lemon Law lawyers, and another that had every page covered in Adsense. Corey Salzano (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed another link to an article that was simply a traffic funnel to a lemon law lawyer site, lemon law dot com. I've removed links to this site in the past because it promotes a business. I removed this traffic funnel link as well per WP:EL. Corey Salzano (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Salzano, As we discussed on Irish Guy's page, I will send ideas through here. However, Mr. Kimmel is a recognized authority on lemon law, served as Legal Consultant to the PA House of Represenatives' Consumer Affairs Committee, was responsible for writing two addendums to the Pennsylvania Lemon Law (the inclusion of leased cars in 2/02 and the inclusion of tighter title provisions for used cars in 12/02). He was also the author of the first computer lemon law bill, has been featured in over 500 news stories on lemon law and consumer issues, and is one of only two lemon law attorneys in the Nation to be honored by the American Bar Association (the other being his partner, Bob Silverman.) Wouldn't he qualify as a recognized authority? Also, the question above is exactly what I think we need to focus on....folks are looking for info and there is no place to turn. Anyway, thanks for discussing the matter with me and we will talk soon 65.91.69.113 (talk) 21:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)MSacks[reply]

Great. I am sure this article can be improved with the help of what Mr Kimmel has done in my home state of Pennsylvania and around the nation. Let's talk about what we can do to improve this article about lemon laws. I don't challenge Mr Kimmel's notability, I just don't think external links that lead to Mr Kimmel's websites are the solution. Corey Salzano (talk) 22:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corey: Please review external links. I beleive a couple should be deleted per the rules but I am not sure how this works. I'd like to send you a couple ideas for the page and it's content, most notably a section discussing lemon law myths. Can I send them here?65.91.69.113 (talk) 19:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)MSacks[reply]

Thank you, Michael. I have clobbered the spam. Please post any and all ideas for improving this article here. You can add a new section to this page by clicking the + sign tab at the top. Corey Salzano (talk) 20:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Corey: I wanted you to take a look at this link: https://www.lemonlawamerica.com/lemon-law-statutes/ which provide links to all 50 state statutes. If this meets your qualifications, we can put this up on external links. Also, the BBB link is dead and the BBB is a for-profit company funded by the manufacturers. 65.91.69.113 (talk) 14:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)MSacks[reply]

I have tried to reach Corey who has been very helpful to me but I see his talk page has been deleted and another friendly admin, IrishGuy has retired. As mentioned the BBB link that was included on the page was dead so I deleted it. I am going to add the lemon law america page which links spcifically to the full statutes (LLA is a not-for profit website) and I am also linking a page I created, http://www.lemonlaw.com/automobile-lemon-law.html, which has been deemed very helpful by many consumers, and includes links to various lemon law sites. If there are any objections, feel free to write me on my user page. 65.91.69.113 (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)msacks[reply]

RE: Libertycents edit over weekend. The previous BBB link was dead but libertycents found a new one, which is fine. But, they down two very valid, useful links. The BBB is a FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. The BBB Auto Line is funded by the manufacturers and it enables a manufacturer to control the entire complaint process. There are other options, AT NO COST TO CONSUMERS. I am once again adding the lemon law america link I put up before per my last post and before it is deleted, I would appreciate something being written on this page or to my talk page. I have worked in this field for many years. I have been interviewed about thisp topic for numerous consumer stories. The BBB is often NOT the answer, but it is fine to offer the reference. I am not putting back up my site becuase I do not want it labelled as a conflict of interest. folks can now be completely knowledgeable about their rights. Plus, the link I am adding provide a quick way to find out your rights in your state. (The BBB does not provide that.)65.91.69.113 (talk) 16:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)msacks[reply]

65.91.69.113, please stop adding links that promote the lawyer you work for Libertycents (talk) 03:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Liberty/Corey: Please explain your relationship with a company by the name of Friday Systems (www.fridaynet.com) and explain what you are doing editing a lemon law page? While I will not be adding any more information to this page until given the go-ahead, I have brought this matter up with other wiki editors, and will continue to do so. This explains quite a bit. 65.91.69.113 (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So the moderators of this page wouldn't allow links to an attorney website because they believed that those links were promoting a website. However, these same moderators now allow TWO links to the same attorney website, citing them as references? How does that work exactly? Wikipedia is a joke. The moderators put whatever content they want on here, promoting whatever they want for their own reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.243.2 (talk) 18:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Monitoring 4.2 million article's all the time is quite difficult, and since Wikipedia is a volunteer project manpower tends to fluctuate over time. So yes, things do slip past at times, though this is not an excuse for even more rubbish. Having said that, which links are you referring to in the above comment? Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 18:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Links 1 and 4 under References both point to a lawyer specific website and the lawyer only practices in California. The Lemon Law is different for every single state and a California attorney website is not a good reference for the Lemon Law as a whole.
Link 2 is a blatant advertisement to get a high-valued link on a wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.243.2 (talk) 19:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That being said, I could propose a few links that show state-specific information that shows actual Lemon Law information for each state, but I don't want to seem like I am promoting anything either. Unfortunately, most of the pages that talk about lemon law are all owned and operated by attorneys who work in the field. Even so-called generic looking websites like "carlemon dot com" are operated by attorneys whose goal is to attract traffic and get business. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.243.2 (talk) 19:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, those links are not done - all three removed, along with another advertising link and a petition that wouldn't pass WP:ELNO in any form or shape. The entire article could actually use some new references, proofreading and expert attention in order to get it in a decent shape. I suppose some editor will eventually pick it up and improve it though. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 19:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! In an effort to provide some useful information that isn't spam, I added a link to the External Links section that goes to a page that lists the criteria for lemon law for each specific state. It's from the Center for Auto Safety and the page itself does not promote anything (although inside the site, they do have links to attorneys but not on this page). I hope this helps some people. 68.238.243.2 (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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