Talk:The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory

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suge shot me[edit]

T fut shot me

the article says this: In the first few seconds of the song "Intro/Bomb First (My Second Reply)" on the album The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory, Shakur can be heard saying "Shoulda shot me".[42][43] Many theorists mistook the statement as "Suge shot me" or "Suge shot 'em" until confirmation by multiple audio tests and confirmation from members of The Outlawz.

I read the philadelphia weekly, and it does not say anything about the song. In addition, the other citiation, the mtv big urban myths cannotbe founded.

It seems to me that khadfi said "suge shot me" at the beginning of the song. The shoulda shot me just does not make logical sense since people did shoot him.

Where is the source for this multiple audio tests?

It was on MTV awhile back. You yourself can even slow down the audio and clearly hear it. It's "Shoulda shot me". License2Kill 17:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

People I found the references for the article where it says "one of the timeless classics". But I don't know how to put the reference correctly.... I put ok, but I need someone to do it correctly. It is the reference number 10. Someone please fix this. - Spanja101

Actually, it wasn't "Suge shot me", it was "Suge shot him". But anyway - it's not true. Here's an explanation of this phenomena by one of Makaveli studio engineers, who worked on that record: youtube.com/watch?v=lTLYg0cPWJA — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExT1m (talk • contribs) 23:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The 'suge shot me' soundbyte is taken from a soundeffects soundbank called 'cititrax' produced by Hollywood Edge Sound Effects Library in 1989. A lot of times producers use generic sounds for screams and gunshots and other sounds they want for a song, movie or tv show. Various sound bytes are recorded and compiled on CD and sold to editors and producers for their own use royalty free. Both 2pac and daft punk used this same generic sound for their songs as nothing more than background noise to convey the image of a busy street. 'Suge shot me' is a myth that built on itself and seems like it was done on purpose, especially when you hear interviews where 2pac talks about hidden things on beatles records, but it wasnt intentional at all it was just generic street noise and at the beginning it has the 'suge shot me' snippet. Its hard to say what was actually being said here, but it was recorded and sold as a street noise sound effect recorded in 1989. The people saying its a sample of daft punk's da funk video are half right, but actually it was a generic sound sample that was used by both daft punk and 2pac. The soundbyte is called "very busy sidewalk" and it is on 'Cititrax sound effects volume 1' from hollywood edge sound effects library. As a side note, on 'cititrax sound effects volume 2' there is a track called 'Black female prostitute flirts from sidewalk' This sound effect was used on the intro for 'she was just a groupie' from the doggfather, another death row album released the same week as Makaveli. "hey baby wanna go out." To make things even stranger this 'prostitute' soundbyte is also used on the daft punk video for the song da funk which is the same video that uses the 'busy sidewalk' /'suge shot me' sound effect. Both sound effects are from the hollywood edge sound effects library. Since they were both used by daft punk and death row releases this shows that these two artists just happened to be using sound effects from the same sound effect compilation from hollywood edge sound company and this disproves the 'suge shot me' myth once and for all. The daft punk video layers sirens over the soundbyte and 2pacs album layers dark sounding funeral bells over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbHwHfPVujc&list=PLhEqZDq9pBPzqkATN5dP0MyZkrCF292wN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmi60Bd4jSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSAh7nlgH14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.80.175.196 (talk) 01:16, 2 March 2017 (UTC) 97.80.175.196 (talk) 11:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Was it finished before his death[edit]

It took 3 days for him to write and record the lyrics and another 4 days for producing. This was all done during the month of August. License2Kill 01:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


The album was written and recorded in 3 days and the producing and mixing was done in the next four days. It doesn't matter whether you "buy it" or not, the producers of the album were their and confirmed this. It is a known fact. For example, the album came out November 5th, 1996 that is a known fact whether someone would "buy it" or not. License2Kill 18:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the producers had every reason to claim this. Comparing it to a verifiable fact like a release date makes no sense. Fact is that there were almost two months between release an the death of Shakur. I seriously doubt nobody worked on finishing that album in those two months. It's just common sense. I believe the seven days story is hype.

It doesn't matter, there is a fine line between fact and your opinion. Albums have to be finalized a few months before the release date License2Kill

Is there a link to cite that the producers confirmed this? I work in the music industry, and have heard this as well, however tell an engineer that and he will laugh, its not possible. If you are talking about having no song concepts, no riffs, no lyrics, no song structures...nothing at all, then 7 days later a completed album finished to commercial standards then i don't what to say. My guess is, there was some preparation then they did the bulk of it in 7 days. and234jkohsn

It's a well known fact Tupac would record 3-5 tracks a day. License2Kill 20:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At the risk of repeating myself, is there a link to cite that the producers confirmed this? Recording tracks is one thing, but alot of preparation goes into creating the music, mixing, mastering, re-recording parts once the artist has left. I'm just saying that i'm sure he recorded all that he had to do in that time, but i doubt the entire project was completed in that time frame. and234jkohsn.

It's a well known fact, refer to the October 2003 issue of XXL Magazine. The entire project was finished in 7 days, it took 3 days for Tupac to write and record the lyrics and it was mixed down in the remaining 4 days. License2Kill 20:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Long comment[edit]

Where is the evidence that 2pac said "shoulda shot me" and not "suge shot me" at the beginning of the album? Where is the citation? Where is the proof that that is even him, I read somewhere that someone else added it after 'Pac's death. There needs to be a citation or a rewrite of the section on what is said at the opening of the album.

Tracklist/Tracks Recorded Within The 7 Days[edit]

Is it possible to add a section, with the tracks that was record over the three days, but didn't make it onto the album. I know about 4 out of 8, I wouldn't add this section without first asking other fans opinions.

what are the 4 that you know?

  1. Letter To The President
  2. You Dont Have To Worry
  3. Lost Souls
  4. Soon As I Get Home
  5. Nigga Nature
  6. Friends
  7. Tear Drops And Closed Caskets
  8. High Speed

-ODIII - Confirmed the first seven track in an interview, The did not feature on the album as they didn't fit the mood, However it was said certain tracks where going to replace others.


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Conspiracy theories[edit]

While the current (or rather, most recent, the section having been removed) conspiracy theory section was inadequate and unsourced, I do feel the theories should be described. The "Tupac is alive" theory was/is popular for some time, and a number of the ideas backing it up were based on this album (see http://www.ewsonline.com/2pac/alive.html for example). --Black Butterfly 11:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Besides being unencyclopedic nonsense, the conspiracy theories violate several core policies, such as original research, verifiability, usage of reliable sources, and undue weight (the conspiracies have nothing to do with the album). The content has already been deemed unfit for an article. east.718 at 12:00, 10/29/2007
While I do agree that the conspiracy theories should not be given undue weight, surely the fact that three of the top ten Google hits for "7 day theory" should be some indicator that the conspiracy theories around the album are somewhat notable. Similarly, 2Pac Lives The Death of Makaveli / The Resurrection of Tupac Amaru (Volume 1) puts a lot of its focus on this album.
The problem I had with the content as-was is that it presented some of the theories as fact (or of contested veracity) and did not cite its references. However, I do feel they should be mentioned. --Black Butterfly 11:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Killuminati[edit]

Could you please tell me what The Don Killuminati means then because you don't have no information on the concept. But you seem to have alot about the concept of Makaveli, and the 7 day theory but not one thing about The Don Killuminati like it's not even in the title of the album. Could you please explain to me what it means or at least consider having some information about it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tester89 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think anyone really knows where the "Killuminati" comes from. It obviously refers to the Illuminati -- the secret society started in Bavaria in 1776 which many conspiracy theorists believe still acts as a powerful force today -- but it's unclear what he meant by it. Some conspiracy types interpreted it as being anti-Illuminati (i.e. he wanted to kill the power elite) but that makes no sense since there's nothing to back that up in the lyrics, and he's attacking other rappers, etc. not global conspirators.
I think he probably meant the "Killuminati" to refer to himself and associates (primarily the Outlawz) in reference to his "war" against his perceived enemies; i.e. making himself and friends seem like a group of unstoppable killers, since he was in "warrior" mode at the time the album was made. But it's all speculation, really, and any explanation in the article would likely be original research, since Tupac never explained it and I doubt he ever told anyone what it meant. ElijahReno (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some research on Illuminati and i also listened to all of his albums and Tupac is not just dissing rappers he talks about conspiracy and how Illuminati is out to get him. He even says things like merciless thieves stole the best of me now am praying to black Jesus to please take the rest of me i don't know which song thats on but the quote Some say they expect Illuminati take my body to sleep Niggas at the party with they shotties Just as rowdy as me Before I flee computer chips I gotta deal wit brothas flippin I don't see no devils bleeding' Only black blood dripping and its off they don't give a fuck a song PAC did. Which now ex-plains his former affiliation with Illuminati and Illuminati is a satanic tribe which worshipers sacrifice there soul to in order to obtain the life of wealth and fame. The album The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory was made in order to warn to the young black society about the Illuminati and it's power to manipulate the mind.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chancetosave (talk • contribs) 22:53, 2 November 2010

Hi Chancetosave, these are interesting opinions and research (I have formatted your comment a bit), but please note that we shouldn't write our own opinions and research into Wikipedia articles - see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:No original research. Basically, we only record notable opinions and observations that other people have published about the album, and cite the source when we do so. Regards, HaeB (talk) 01:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


In an interview Tupac talked about the meaning on the Don Killuminati. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Hm1ROmlEk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.62.131 (talk) 16:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply, this video explain's it all. A more extended version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAmhM3ZMQEQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tester89 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concept album?[edit]

Is this a concept album? If so, the article should make it more clear. Zazaban (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


In an interview Tupac talked about the meaning on the Don Killuminati. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Hm1ROmlEk

Album Title[edit]

I believe the title of the album should be "Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory" as "The Don" is part of Tupac's Makaveli moniker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.214.173 (talk) 06:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I've been telling people this for years but no one believes me. I think it's obvious it was meant to be put out under the name "Makaveli the Don" -- he even refers to himself as that on the album -- and the title "Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory" makes a lot more sense, although it's still quite cryptic.
I actually came to this talk page specifically to bring this up, thinking no one would have mentioned it. It obviously can't go into the article because there are no sources to back it up, but it's bothered me since the album came out. Although Tupac apparently had control over the artwork, name, etc. I think someone at Death Row misread what he'd written and titled it incorrectly. ElijahReno (talk) 19:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I check back on this page every 4 months or so to see if anyone else has commented either way about this and am disappointed each time. If I had more experience editing wikis I'd probably just change it to spark debate. Maybe I'll write something on the internet somewhere explaining why the name of the album is "Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory" and then use that as outside research to which this article can link. 68.100.214.173 (talk) 10:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I din't realise this when the album came out but over time it become obvious to me that the album was supposed to be called Makaveli The Don - Killuminati, The 7 Day Theory, it is so obvious. Tupac called himself Makaveli the Don on the album and various other songs and it just makes much more sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.138.15.141 (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RIAA certification is 4x Platinum[edit]

I'm not sure why this number is persistently changed to 6 million.

Keep in mind that the album has scanned 6 million copies, but 4xP is an RIAA number and not a Soundscan figure. Keep the RIAA numbers where they're at until the label recertifies.

WolfSpear (talk) 16:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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