Talk:Wagah

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I really hope someone adds to this I've seen this on various shows like Michael Palin's 'Himalaya' as well as elsewhere. It is one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen. The pomp and symbolism of beating the retreat is really powerful. I added that Wagah is pretty much inbetween Lahore and Amritsar, though I'm not sure 'Indo-Pak' is desirable for an Encyclopædia it was redundant to say India and Pakistan twice. I also added the Hindi and Urdu, looking them up in BBC:Urdu and BBC:Hindi, so I'm not 100% sure they are correct - especially as they don't correspond. I'm thinking واگهه makes more sense. In any case the Gurmukhi is also in order, ਵਾਘਾ, ਵਾਹਗਹ, ਵਾਘਹ, etc? I also added the link to the pictures of Pakistani Rangers. I wish an Indian or Pakistani near Wagah would take a day trip there and take some pictures to put up here! Khirad^talk 04:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Doesnt Michael Palin talk in his documentary how even though it looks aggressive its carefully arranaged between both the pakistan and indian border gaurds.Corustar 00:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aggressive posturing

Both sides have given up 'aggressive posturing'. To refer to India alone implies that the Pakistan side alone insists on maintaining this stance. The sentence clearly hints at anti-Pakistan prejudice by whomever added it in the first instance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Labcoat (talk • contribs)

If you can substantiate the claim that Pakistan has also abandoned its aggressive posturing, please do so. Since there is a news item that states that India has given such posturing up, it has been mentioned in the article; it does not imply any anti-Pakistan bias.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Subravenkat (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry but the suggestion that the Pakistan side maintains 'aggresive posturing' in the absence of the same on the Indian side is completely absurd. It is well known that the ceremony is closely choregraphed by both sides working in co-operation. The implication of the sentence is clear. It is intended to reflect your own wider perception / prejudice that Pakistan (as a whole) has an aggresive stance towards a friendly India. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I'm afraid that it has no place in a Wikipedia article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Labcoat (talk • contribs)

I disagree that there is any implication that Pakistan continues to be 'hostile' to a 'friendly' India. The information that India has given up its 'aggressive postures' is clearly substantiated by the news item to which the link has been provided. If there is verifiable information that Pakistan has also foregone such posturing, it is welcome to be posted in this article. (And please refrain from using adjectives like 'absurd'; Wikipedia discourages the use of such terms in discussions). Subravenkat 21:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The suggestion that India has given up "aggressive posturing" has not been substantiated. A single sentence 'news item' included in an online Indian nationalist newspaper, which offers no justification or elaboration on the point, hardly represents an impartial or appropriate source to cite from for such a serious event. The sentence in the article has very obvious underlying implications and is clearly designed to be provocative. It has no natural place in the article, which as it stands offers a fairly concise summary of the topic. Once again, please act in the best interests of the articles and refrain from using Wikipdedia articles to push your own agenda, whatever that may be. Thank you.

Labcoat 10:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having been to Wagah border to see this ceremony just last week (22/03/09) it is hard to say that either side has given up or lowered their aggressive posturing. I was rather disappointed to see those aggressive moves and an underlying message of hate for each other. As a promoter of peaceful relationship between both sides, in my opinion, steps showing positive attitutde towards each other shall be included in this ceremony, the agressive body language shall be minimized, while keeping the impressive parade and flag lowering activites intact.

Hayats

Image

This image can be uploaded and can replace the present one. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=88581751&size=o Chanakyathegreat 16:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

Please can some one update "colorful" to it's proper spelling?

Only Border Crossing

Is Wagah really the *only* road from Pakistan to India? Looking at googlemaps I see others, e.g. the Kasur-Ganda-Singh border crossing. Just because the BBC said in an article that Wagah is the only one does not make this true. Can someone who is familiar with the situation please confirm or disconfirm this? Rilkas (talk) 03:14, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, judging from the other articles on border crossings it appears that the claim is correct since the others have been closed, although they still appear on maps. False alarm... Rilkas (talk) 03:29, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wagah Title

The article states that in Pakistan the village is named Wahga. Seeing as this is a modern village in Pakistan, according to the article, shouldn't the article be named Wahga with it taking a dominant role in the article over Wagah? If not could someone clarify what the statement "Wagah, named Wahga in Pakistan" means? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:9602:6800:446E:7765:2E15:18C9 (talk) 00:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wagah → Wahga – The official English spelling is WaHGa and not Wagah. According to the Punjab Gazette published on 22 August 2017, Wahga Zone has been established, replacing Wahga Tehsil according to the new Local government in Punjab act. See #7^[1]. Within the same document, Wagha is referred to as Union Council (UC 181). Also on Google Maps, it's also spelled "Wahga". I'd request a name change. HudairaViki (talk) 00:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. –Ammarpad (talk) 02:38, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://lgcd.punjab.gov.pk/system/files/MCLZones.pdf

Note that we have articles at Wagah-Attari border ceremony, Wagah railway station, Lahore–Wagah Branch Line, and 2014 Wagah border suicide attack. Dekimasuよ! 22:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed. The citations in the article show that the BBC, The New York Times, and The Nation use Wagah, and no evidence has been provided that might show Wahga to be the WP:COMMONNAME in English. Note that we do not necessarily use official names: WP:OFFICIAL. Dekimasuよ! 22:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those can easily be changed. And the name is present from the official Government of Punjab document I provided with you. The spelling Wagah comes from Indian news sources. Not sure why the Indian spelling is being promoted on here, despite this being a Pakistani village. --HudairaViki (talk) 19:09, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again, we do not necessarily use official names. The BBC, The New York Times, and The Nation are not Indian news sources; there does not appear to be any promotion involved. Dekimasuよ! 04:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So essentially what you're saying is that the official English spelling of a TOWN IN PAKISTAN will be dictated to by the New York Times. That's absolutely outrageous and unacceptable. News sources in many cases refer to the Wiki article for spelling, despite the fact Google Maps and the Punjab government spell it properly. --HudairaViki (talk) 14:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably the official spelling is determined by the town itself. However, the official spelling is not necessarily the title used on Wikipedia. Wikipedia article titles have nothing to do with determining, establishing, or dictating official names. They reflect usage. Dekimasuよ! 20:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Our naming convention for places is not necessarily dictated by the official spelling — it's dictated by the spelling that's actually seen in the wild, regardless of whether that spelling is "official" or not. Bearcat (talk) 17:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Isn't it policy that when we discuss a topic on a country, we use that country's spelling/grammar? I myself was corrected on this almost a year ago.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This presupposes that the common usage in Pakistan is "Wahga", which also has not been shown. Pakistan Railways lists the train station Wagah railway station on its site. Pakistan's The Express Tribune and Pakistan Today and Daily Pakistan all use "Wagah". Dekimasuよ! 18:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, the current name is common. Khestwol (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Correct location of Wagah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagah states that Wagah is in Pakistan, not in India. This is false since according to Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wagah/@31.604757,74.5719473,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x391912bcf27f495d:0x325315a52b19a1a9!8m2!3d31.604757!4d74.574136), Wagah is in India and Pakistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.220.33 (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the village straddles the border, but I agree that most of it seems to be in Pakistan according to the map. I've reverted the recent edits assigning the village to India because the claim is not supported by the reference. Dbfirs 15:22, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you let Google Maps show local government boundaries, it appears to show that the Wagah border gate (Indian side) is actually in the village of Hardo Rattan. This perhaps suggests that the development on the Indian side is more recent, serving tourists and visitors, and has been built on land already part of an older village, rather than being a part of a place called Wagah which predated partition. I find it hard to think that the border line at partition would have been drawn through a village, rather than following the older borders between villages.[[1]] Wymspen (talk) 11:43, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://lgcd.punjab.gov.pk/system/files/MCLZones.pdf

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