Talk:Lonnie Frisbee

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Soundtrack deets

It may merit it's own article but the soundtrack details could be added in. here is an article delving into the soundtrack. Benjiboi 23:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible source

here is an overview based on the documentary. Benjiboi 23:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible source

another article, this one's more extensive. Benjiboi 00:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh wonderful --- a decidedly BIASED source that has an agenda to proclaim... and this is what you want to use. Besides, almost all the information that they present comes SOLELY from the skewered Dave DiSabbitino documentary. Come to think of it, almost ALL information regarding this man points right back to this one documentary which tries to cannonize Lonnie as something he was not. re: Christian. He was rebuked for his sins, he failed to repent, and by the Bible's own standard he was put out of the body as an UNbeliever. I've even seen interview footage with Lonnie where he talks about how he duped everyone into believing he was a Christian.

Irks me when people with agendas, point to sources with the self-same agenda to prove their point. Lonnie wasn't a saint. neither was he some martyred believer. He was a FALSE prophet who, when discovered, refused to repent. That doesn't make him admirable, that makes him pathetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.31.132.183 (talk) 13:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't agree that it it's irksome with people with agendas point to nothing to prove their bias. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Larry Norman - Frisbee collection album

Larry Norman, release a a compilation called "Frisbee" to coincide with the documentary coming out. some details here. Benjiboi 00:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible source

history of the vineyard church. Benjiboi 00:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Another Greg Laurie source

here. Benjiboi 00:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Google books

28 hits here. Benjiboi 00:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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refering to John Wimber and Mother's day event. Benjiboi 00:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Other possible images

• album cover - not a great pick but it shows him ministering overseas. See this for more info.

• movie poster need to find more original source. Banjeboi 22:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect image caption

The photograph captioned "Lonnie Frisbee in the 1960s" was in fact taken in 1972 when Lonnie appeared on Kathryn Kuhlman's television show with his then-mentor Chuck Smith and Hollywood Free Paper creator/editor Duane Pederson. I admit it's a minor point but, to be strictly correct, it's not from the 1960s. - Mark Dixon (talk) 03:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Is there a video on youtube or elsewhere we could use to confirm this? Banjeboi 03:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

In fact, there is, I've seen it around once or twice. If I can locate it again I will post that information here in the discussion. I do know of my own personal knowledge that it is correct, which of course doesn't do us a bit of good in fixing the article because of WP:NOR and WP:V, both of which I agree with. - Mark Dixon (talk) 13:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - I keep coming up with late 1960s/early 1970s so it would be nice to sort it out. Banjeboi 02:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Rape as inferred cause of homosexuality?

This is for discussion and editorial reference:

I am puzzled by the simplistic inclusion of the rape in such a way that lends itself to the representation that being molested was a cauasal factor in Lonnie's attraction to other men.

I'm not sure that it violates NPOV or anything... but it just seems unscientific. There is hot debate as to whether homosexuality is caused by anything... whether its genetic... whether its changeable.

For the purposes of recounting history well... It should certainly be included, but are we being careful enough to avoid playing into the hands of a particular representation of history?

GLBT advocates may prefer to see it represented seperately, perhaps in an early life section, rather than as an apparent explination of so called 'homosexual behaviour'. I'm hinting here that there's a difference between saying he was gay, and he 'did gay things'... and its a very significant one.

It's much more comfortable for Christians who want to make it very clear that homosexuality is a sin, to provide compassionate grounds for forgiving that sin. On the other hand others may wish to dispute this.

I myself am Christian, but I will not allow myself the shortcut of rationalising that rape 'turned' an otherwise straight Lonnie Frisbee into a "Gay Sinner". The scholarly debate continues in research and literature, meaning that this question can't be checked as "RESOLVED" on wikipedia, if it isn't resolved in good, preferably peer-reviewed literature. So many of the contents of this article are poor sources... but the story is still well told.

The notion that Homosexuality is a "Sin" is contained within a christian POV, and this is an article on someone who it appears did live within that POV and remain dedicated to it his entire life. Is that sufficient justification for this encyclopedia to explain it thus, or does NPOV require us to be further detatched? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdogilvy (talk • contribs) 17:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC) Tdogilvy (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC) (didn't realise manual signature was required, appologies)

Tdogilvy has brought up an important subject. I think the reason certain editors have made such a priority of labeling Frisbee as gay is that within their personal religious POV they perceive homosexuality as having a negative or "sinful" connotation. I think the correct answer to Tdogilvy's question regarding NPOV is that the question of whether or not Frisbee was gay is only significant to those whose religious POV attaches a negative meaning to that. The exception is the whole issue of whether Frisbee was dealt with unfairly (maligned, ostracized, removed from positions of leadership or responsibility, etc.) by churches and clergy that did believe there was a negative or "sinful" connotation to being gay. But even in dealing with that issue, Frisbee's actual sexual orientation is not important, but only the churches' belief or perception as to his sexual orientation that caused them to take the actions against him that they did. - Elmarco 00:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

not a personal POV. It's the stance taken in the churches he was in at the time. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:49, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Samson analogy

Since someone asked, the "serial miscreant" who added the sentence "Others saw the Samson analogy as spot on" was 68.41.55.171 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), who is currently blocked for disruptive editing. Check his edits and see if you can disagree. Here's] the diff. He clearly meant it as an attack on a dead gay man. If a non-loon editor wants it in, that's fine with me, but if this were an article that I regularly edited and cared about I'd do everything possible to discourage him. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 08:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Whoops! There was DOCUMENTATION for the Samson analogy being well received. And it's an apt comparison despite the protestations of so many in the GAY MAFIA who try to MANIPULATE wiki articles in order to advance their dishonest agenda. I fought these NUTCASES tooth and nail a few years ago only to be GAMED or should I say GAYmed (haha) by them. These liberal LOONS use the rules of Wiki to OSTRACIZE anyone who doesn't share their far left agenda.

It turns out that comparing Lonnie to Samson was a compliment and not an attack on a 'dead gay man' as some gay advocate so dramatically (shocked! haha) suggested. Lonnie was NOT gay. He was a normal man who had been raped as a young boy much like Jerry Sandusky raped those little boys in the Penn State shower. This of course led Lonnie to engage in other gay activities despite his better judgement. The man himself did NOT want to practice homosexuality. But because of some GAY pedophile, he had his struggles.65.48.16.58 (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The facts argue against Frisbee being gay. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't tell that to the gay lobby at Wiki. They want EVERYONE to be gay! haha