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Pedersen's nationality

Thoervilha, can you please explain why you keep changing his nationality back to American? Kaveman12 has at least cited the official IndyCar website (although should likely be given inline and not just in edit summary). Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to appear on the official FIA driver categorization list, as that would be what we should go to normally. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 05:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pedersen was born in Denmark, retains Danish citizenship, and the official IndyCar website has him racing under a Danish flag. I do not understand why his flag icon keeps bouncing back and forth between DEN and USA? GhostOfDanGurney, do you think we can form a consensus. To me it seems clear that the correct icon would be DEN. RegalZ8790 (talk) 21:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RegalZ8790 I agree that a consensus should be formed. I had something that I started to type out here today towards 2a01:cb00:452:5400:b4fb:2c07:4dd1:cd6a and Thoferrer based on their edits today before you posted. I am concerned that this is becoming a slow-motion edit war. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 22:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added Pedersen's bio on IndyCar.com as an inline citation and changed the flag back to DEN per the reasons stated by RegalZ8790. If either a secondary source becomes available or the FIA updates the driver categorization list and includes Pedersen, please inform! Thank you. :] - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 23:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kanaan

Kobalt22, the source you are citing includes this line at the end of the article,

RACER was unsuccessful in reaching an AMSP spokesperson for comment.

All this article is, is a report that one of Marshall's sources within the AMSP team (could be a mechanic, engineer, truck driver or even TK himself in private conversation) was informed of the decision and told him. But the team is not ready to publicly confirm this decision, hence why officials permitted to speak on the record for the team did not reply to his requests for comment. Accoring to the WP:BLP policy, all information we write about living persons, even in articles where they are not the subject, must be accurate and verifiable. Until the team, or TK himself confirms Marshall's report and announces that he's racing for AMSP, we cannot add it to the article. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 03:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DRR vs Dreyer & Reinbold Racing Entry Name

Hello everyone!I realize that the Racer article refers to the team entry as "No. 24 DRR/Cusick Motorsports" but they are the only source to do it that way and neither team press release's^[1]^[2] refers to the team that way. I do not think there is sufficient evidence to change it as Racer.com may have just wrote it that way for convenience. I do no think we can make a change like this when only one source refers to the team this way. Here are more sources that do not refer to the team that way.^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]. Similarly, another Racer.com article^[7] with the same author refers to the team as "No. 24 DRR/Cusick Chevy" in another article. I believe the author is simply shortening the names of the teams for convenience and should not be assumed as a team entry name. Dreyer & Reinbold Racing has been in IndyCar since 2000 and has never had their entry name as DRR so it is unrealistic to think they would change it after 23 years and is a weak crutch to base it on 1 article when the author refers to the entry multiple different ways. Grahaml35 (talk) 16:10, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from a few technicalities regarding the sourcing (mainly that Autosport and motorsport.com, being both owned by Motorsport Network count as one source and indeed use the same article written by David Malsher-Lopez), I don't disagree. Of course, nobody knows what it will really be until the entry list for Indy comes out. But minus the primary sources and counting Autosport/motorsport.com together, we still have two sources not implying that it will be the entry name vs RACER so based on this evidence I'm not opposed to the change. @Kaveman12, Mario Silvas, and 2601:4a:c000:10:70f6:eb73:dd0a:15e7: Do you guys have any comments? - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^(c/t) 16:36, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

Ed Carpenter

Should we add Ed Carpenter to the chart? Some sources such as The Race already have him as confirmed and since he owns the team I doubt he will be formally announced except for maybe a sponsor for the Indy 500. https://the-race.com/indycar/another-indy-500-entry-is-in-whats-the-field-looking-like/

2601:4A:C000:10:C0E3:C884:67EB:28F1 (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RACER also has him on their list on their article from November 1 [1], so I'm not opposed to it. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^(c/t) 05:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Power's #

The Spring Training entry list has Will Power still using the No. 12. Is that sufficient to change the number from TBA to 12? 2601:47:4002:CD10:32FC:EBFF:FE52:F2A1 (talk) 22:01, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cite the entry list as your source and you can change it, or link to it here if you don't know how and I (or someone if they see it first) can add it. I have not been able to find a link to this entry list. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 22:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just added the source. I hope I did it right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:47:4002:CD10:3D25:56C6:31E0:7953 (talk) 00:04, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Twitter is not a reliable source. A better source would be somewhere like Speedcafe — unfortunately right now IndyCar has not published the list themselves publicly (only in the paddock backend). 🇮🇪 TheChrisD {💬|✏️} 17:05, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seperate list for partial season entries

can someone please remove the part time entries & put them in a seperate list below the full time list for less confusion? Thank you. Wildarms007 (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with this requested change, I think the list makes perfect sense as is. Esw01407 (talk) 00:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; I think it makes perfect sense as is. RegalZ8790 (talk) 02:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leader's Circle Eligibility / Entrant Standings

I wanted to discuss some possible modifications to the entrant standings table. According to this link (https://racer.com/2023/02/02/indycar-reducing-leaders-circle-payouts-for-2023/), only the top 22 entries are awarded the Leaders Circle prize money, information which is already listed. What is not yet listed/edited is the stipulation that only 3 top performing (full time) entries per team are eligible for the Leader's Circle. Currently, this leaves the lowest fourth Chip Ganassi entry to be ineligible for the payout. Additionally, Andretti Autosport's fourth entry was grandfathered in so that it can be eligible, and thus isn't affected by the above. In light of this, should further modification of this table be done to reflect the above information more clearly? For example, a row that designates which entries are currently not eligible, or a note that shows which entry would not qualify based on the requirements? Would like some feedback / discussion before adding said information above the table. Yodsyo (talk) 01:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Yodsyo:

Seems a good idea in my opinion.

RegalZ8790 (talk) 04:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with regards to eligibility is that it's not published anywhere, and always kept under wraps. Now, there's a chance to infer which entries are currently in Leader's Circle when the 500 purse amounts come out (LC entries get far more than non-LC), but that would likely be considered original research. 🇮🇪 TheChrisD {💬|✏️} 22:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Schedule Table

Hi. I restored the schedule table icons to the Super Speedway/Short Oval and Road/Street Course version. This seems to have been the version decided upon by convention, so I figured I would post it here to sere if there is a consensus to change it to a version with three icons - oval, road, and street. RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is already an ongoing topic -> Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#IndyCar_tables --Mark McWire (talk) 03:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Made the change to split the table icon into Oval, Road and Street courses to match the official Indycar schedule. Indycar officially makes a distinction between road and street courses so it's appropriate that the Wikipedia page does as well

Offical source: https://www.indycar.com/-/media/Files/Current-Schedule.pdf 31.208.187.28 (talk) 11:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://dreyerreinboldracing.com/drr-cusick-stefan-wilson/

[2] ttps://cusickmotorsports.com/news/f/cusick-partners-with-dreyer-reinbold-racing-for-2023-indy-500

[3] ttps://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/indy-500/2022/11/17/indy-500-stefan-wilson-driving-for-cusick-motorsports-dreyer-reinbold/69644729007/

[4] ttps://www.indycar.com/news/2022/11/11-17-wilson-drr-indy

[5] ttps://www.autosport.com/indycar/news/stefan-wilson-joins-dreyer-reinbold-for-2023-indy-500/10401359/

[6] ttps://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news/stefan-wilson-joins-dreyer-reinbold-for-2023-indy-500/10401355/

[7] ttps://racer.com/2022/11/17/pruett-what-a-difference-a-year-makes/

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