Talk:42nd Regiment of Foot

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Black Watch in Puerto Rico[edit]

I understand the regiment was present during the unsuccesful British attack on San Juan, Puerto Rico in 1797. Is there any available info on that?

Thank You,

RAMPG (talk) 05:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

formation date[edit]

This article lists the 1715 uprising as reason for the watches formation, yet it dates it from 1661 (talk) 03:49, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Battle honours form the American War of Independance[edit]

"The Royal Highland Regiment never officially recognized the battle honours for their part in the American War of Independence, because it was decreed that Battle Honours should not be granted for a war with kith and kin."

I have put a citation required label on this.

It is a piece of romantic puff coined in the 20th century by a Black Watch Regimental historian. There were no honours awarded to any regiment for the American War, despite a number of major, though not decisive, defeats inflicted on American armies in the field. Battle honours as we understand them did not yet exist as an institution in this period. 'Gibraltar 1779-83' was an early, rare example. Moreover it would have been not for a regiment to choose to accept or decline such an honour. If the King had seen fit to award a battle honour then it would of course have been accepted without demur.

It may even be that the 42nd retained the red feather that was adopted as some form of formation badge during the American War as a memento of stout service in a lost cause; an unofficial award to themselves, which happened quite frequently in the second half of the C18th. Although it was not officially recorded, it seems the red feather distinction, worn merely as a bonnet ornament, eventually received Royal approval in 1802 in recognition of the Regiment's service in Egypt for which they had received their first official battle honour: 'Egypt' and a Sphinx badge. JF42 (talk) 19:10, 7 October 2012 (UTC)JF42 (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Waterloo- 42nd and also the 2nd/73rd Highlanders,[edit]

"Two days later at the Battle of Waterloo, the 42nd and also the 2nd/73rd Highlanders, which was later to become the new 2nd Battalion, Black Watch, were both in some of the most intense fighting in the battle and lost 289 men."

This yoking of the 42nd and 73rd together at Waterloo is spurious. Although the 73rd were formed from the 2nd Bn, 42nd in 1786 and became the 2nd Bn Black Watch in 1881, in 1815 the 73rd was a separate regiment, and while they suffered heavy casualties at Waterloo the 42nd got off comparatively lightly- following their heavy losses two days before at Quatre Bras. This looks like poaching the 73rd's casualties to inflate the Black Watch contribution to Waterloo. If the 73rd need to be mentioned at all, this distinction should be made clear. JF42 (talk) 09:41, 10 February 2016 (UTC)