Talk:South Tyrol Option Agreement

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There must be a more "English" name for this article, surely? In particular, it should use one of the names current at the time, rather than trying to impose on it the name of a modern province. I've seen Alto Adige Option Agreement in academic literature - any better ideas? FlagSteward (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(The province of Bolzano existed also in 1939).
As you say, "Alto Adige option agreement" maybe is the name most commonly used. "Option agreement in the province of Bolzano" is more logical, and "Option agreement in the province of Bolzano-Bozen" is more consistent with the current title of our article. I'd prefer "Option agreement in the province of Bolzano", but I wouldn't object to your proposal.--Supparluca 10:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about "logic", it's about what comes most naturally to a WP:ENGLISH speaker. Certainly "province of Bolzano-Bozen" is not that commonly used in English, certainly not when you're talking about the history or culture of the area as we are here. Alto Adige would be the normal phrase in English. Heck, even it.wiki doesn't refer to Bolzano in their article on the Option. So Superluca, I'd just gently suggest that in future you think a bit more about what words would be used in English - and often "Alto Adige" will be better English than "province of Bolzano-Bozen" or similar. FlagSteward (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This agreement affected only German-speaking persons (indirectly Ladins, too), and the vast majority of the Südtiroler opted to leave their home in South Tyrol to escape forced Italianization which was agreed upon by the two Fascist governments. And all it is worried about is the Italian name of the province which was to be left behind? How come nobody has added English and Italian literature and references to the article yet? Could it be that the issue is mainly of concern to German speakers? -- Matthead  Discuß   22:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Undo unilateral move by User:Supparluca from 18 May 2008. Most clearly, the agreement only affected the German population. This is also reflected in the scientific treatment of the subject: Latour speaks throughout his seminal study of the agreement of "South Tyrol", mentioning only once "Alto Adige". See: C. F. Latour: "Germany, Italy and South Tyrol, 1938-45", The Historical Journal, Vol. 8, No. 1 (1965), pp. 95-111 Gun Powder Ma (talk) 19:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also the name Alto Adige became only official for the province on January 1st, 1948. Anachronistic to name an event 9 years earlier Alto Adige... --noclador (talk) 20:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The area was called Südtirol (i.e. South Tyrol) by german-language speakers and Alto Adige (i.e. Upper Adige) by italian-language speakers after its annexation to Italy in 1918. The name "Alto Adige" dated back to Napoleon's era, but it was used a lot during fascism during forced italianization of the area, and that's part of the reason it's unpopular with german speakers. See also Prontuario dei nomi locali dell'Alto Adige.
--Lou Crazy (talk) 12:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Doubt[edit]

"Peter Hofer, with the help of the German authorities, transformed the VKS in to the ADO and organised these associations and classes in order to support those who remained." - those who remained? Are we sure "those who chose to leave" wasn't intended?Tridentinus 03:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The italian version of this page says "those who chose to leave". I'll do the same here.
--Lou Crazy (talk) 12:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality?[edit]

This page has a NNPOV tag since January, pointing to this talk page. However, since there has never been any discussion on the neutrality here, I assume the tag was spurious, and I am removing it. If anyone feels that the page might indeed have any neutrality issue, feel free to start a discussion here and THEN add again the tag to the article.

--Lou Crazy (talk) 12:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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