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A fact from Abo Elementary School appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 January 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Abo Elementary School in Artesia, New Mexico, was built entirely underground and equipped as a fallout shelter, in case of nuclear war?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/January.

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"Former" Elementary school?

The article refers to Abo Elementary as "the former elementary school". What has become of it? Why was in withdrawn from use? Because of its tourist attraction status, it must still exist and enjoy routine maintenance. Faucon24 (talk) 13:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Most likely only"?

Any citations for that? Sounds like speculation to me. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that it's something that needs to be disproved, really.Entirely underground structures are rare in and of themselves, so it is highly likely that Abo is the only one ever made in the US. But that's why it has the qualifier of "most likely", since there is conceivably the possibility of there being another such school in the US, but it seems highly unlikely. Silver seren^C 01:08, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The qualifier really bugs me, though. Is there a consensus on this? Having statements like "Most likely the only completely underground school in the continental US", "most likely the only living sultan in the Yogyakarta region", or "most likely the shortest serving prime minister in a common-wealth country" may be factual, but not necessarily useful or notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the issue is...how do you prove that it is the only one in the United States without extensively hunting down records of every elementary school created in the US? That's really not something that even news organizations are going to take the time to do. I suppose we could change it to say that it is the only one, removing the qualifier, since we have no reason to believe otherwise. And if evidence, in the future, ever comes up to prove that wrong, then we can just remove that bit at that point in time. Silver seren^C 08:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Perhaps it's just a matter of semantics, but to me, "most likely" indicates a guess / something that isn't definite. If it's a very small group, like the first two examples above, it is best to use something more definite, then change it if it can be proven wrong. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Abo is definitely not the only underground school. The Lake Worth ISD in Texas built one very similar to Abo in the mid-1960s after visiting Artesia. It's reasonable to assume the town's proximity to Carswell AFB, home to B52 long-range bombers at the height of the Cold War, and the fear that Carswell would be a prime first strike USSR target, precipitated the construction. The facility is now known as James Hodgkins Intermediate. SanchoPanza (talk) 04:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that in the book Underground Buildings, cited in the Abo wiki article, it is noted that "subterranean schools quickly became popular through the south-central portion of the country," and that an underground junior high was opened in Laredo, Texas the year after Abo opened. A study hosted on the Educational Resource Information Center focused on 13 in Oklahoma alone. Perhaps a wiki article on these schools is in order? SanchoPanza (talk) 14:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WND...

...is notorious for not giving a rat's arse about fact-checking or accuracy, but rather for saying whatever comes into their heads.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51648 additionally returns an error message, and is not Waybackable.

Use of this link therefore provides no WP:Verifiability whatsoever. If you want to argue the toss, take it to WP:RSN, where discussion of WND is already ongoing. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 10:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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