Talk:Agnes, wife of Ramiro I of Aragon

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I will just point out that another page, Agatha, wife of Edward the Exile, has been cited as an example of a terrible page name (although nobody has come up with a viable alternative). That is why I avoided a similar form here. Still, it may be the lesser of evils given how little is known about this individual - there were two other women with the same title, and the chronology is speculative. A better question is whether a separate page is appropriate when so little is known about this individual. Agricolae (talk) 17:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that Ramiro I of Aragón married an Agnes of any sort, at least there is no documented proof of such marriage. Ramiro II of Aragón the Monk did marry an Agnes, as shown in a charter of October 1136 (Montearagón) when Ramiro and Ines make a donation to the church of San Pedro Antefruenzo of a moor named Mahoment and all their inheritance plus a mill in Loscertales. This Ramiro II and Agnes were the parents of Petronila. Ramiro I of Aragón married only once, Ermesinda, parents of Sancho, García, Teresa, Urraca, and Sancha. With Amuña de Barbenuta, he had count Sancho Ramírez. --Maragm (talk) 11:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Eduardo Ibarra, in his "Matrimonios y Descendencia de Ramiro I de Aragon", Revista de Aragon, vol. 6, pp. 121-128, 165-172 (at p. 126), reports two documents that name such a wife: one dated 10 October 1054, by Ramiro "cum agnete coniuge mea", the other dated 18 May 1025 (Ibarra concludes this should be 1063) naming "Renimirus cum coniuge mea agne". Clearly the second one is problematic, as the original date is clearly wrong. I guess the first could also be misdated. Unfortunately, Ibarra only gives brief quotes, and not further details that might enable the documents to be more definitively placed during the reign of one king or the other. Several more recent authors have supported the existence of such a wife, and speculated about her origin, notably Szabolcs de Vajay. Agricolae (talk) 02:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm away from home and my books, but will look into this as soon as I get back.--Maragm (talk) 11:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)