Talk:Alex (A Clockwork Orange)
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- 1 Clean up
- 2 'Unamed socialist country'
- 3 I think this gives the wrong impression
- 4 DeLarge
- 5 Fifth Symphony
- 6 Why is this a separate article?
- 7 What's with the eye thing?
- 8 He gives his complete name
- 9 Fair use rationale for Image:Alex Korova1.jpg
- 10 Prisoner number.
- 11 a fictional pedophile?
- 12 Infobox pic
I think this should be cleaned up. It jumps from the movie version to the book version back and forth without stating both sides. I could do it but I'd have to wait to get my copy of the movie back. Anyone else want to do it? --681dragon 01:10, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
- I agree, it's a mess. Luckily, the actual plot is—and should be—described in A Clockwork Orange and A Clockwork Orange (film). A synopsis of the plot of either version belongs in its respective page, not here, so a rewrite would mean removing (or merging, but I doubt that's necessary) much of the current article. EldKatt (Talk) 18:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
the article is quoted as saying in Alex lives in an 'Unamed Socialist Country' which of course, is entirely wrong. Not only does the film have reference to the Monarchy (Alex describes the prison institution as 'Her Majesty's') but also that the country has a prime minister. Given the casting and author it has to be assumed it is Britain
I was writing the original version of this article about the character in the book. While it is implied that Alex lives in Britain, this is never explicitly stated in any way in the original novel. --Technomad
- I've never seen any indication that the England represented in the book or movie is socialist. I'm taking that out.Spylab 22:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Spylab
References to the book and/or movie as having a socialist setting are quite common:
"Burgess's 1962 novel is set in a vaguely Socialist future (roughly, the late seventies or early eighties) -- a dreary, routinized England that roving gangs of teen-age thugs terrorize at night." --Pauline Kael, The New Yorker, January 1972 
"For all the greater closeness of its writing to us in time, A Clockwork Orange posits a future (in which a soulless socialist state reconditions its violent criminals into virtuous automatons) whose elements seem both more tangential to our present exigencies and less convincing as an extrapolation from them than do those of the futures of Orwell and Huxley." --William S. Pechter, Commentary, March 1972 
"Burgess also outlines the seemingly socialist state of futuristic London. The landscape is grim and government-owned (everything is "Municipal"), movies are produced by "Statefilm," and television is a numbing medium that sedates the masses." --GradeSaver  Nareek 23:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this gives the wrong impression
"While listening to this music, he fantasizes about endless rampages of torture and slaughter, to the point of orgasm." This sentence implies that his fantasies are what bring him to orgasm, but really he masturbates while he thinks of such things. Is there any reason why this isn't mentioned?
- Maybe it's the inconsistencies in the movie adapation? I only saw the first thirty minutes of the film but in the scene where he listens to "Ludwig van", the audience is shown his fantasies but there is no suggestion of masturbation. --Onias 21:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the sentence is about what is written on the book, not in the movie. The movie gives the impression Alex is masturbating, but the book only says he imagines scenes of torture, without touching himself. 188.8.131.52 20:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
If his last name isn't given in the novel, and he's called Alex Burgess in the film, where does "DeLarge" come from? And whatever this source is, why is its name for the character given precedence over the novel and film? Nareek 20:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hry, you sre wrong: he gives his name when he is checked into prison ("DO you see that what line?) and when his name is asked he repies "Alex DeLarge". No precedence is given... just another wikiknowitall.
He definitely calls himself "de Large" in the film. I've seen it nine or ten times and I cannot recall the name "Burgess" being used.
- The newspaper montage at the end says he is Alex Burgess Liu Bei 04:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I support the move to the new title. Even if you think the film character is the most important version, his film last name is a very tough trivia question, not the most common way the character is thought of, per WP:NAME. Nareek 05:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
In the book it is the fifth symphony that he listens to in the nazi film. And it is symphony # 3 of otto skadelig. Also, the writer doesn't figure out he raped his wife until after he is hospitalized
Why is this a separate article?
The recent edit that tries to distinguish the plot summary of the movie from the plot summary of the book made me wonder--why is this a separate article at all? After all, the novel A Clockwork Orange is a novel told in the first person and focused on the narrator's character development--it's very difficult to talk about the novel at all without talking about Alex. And the film follows the book in focusing entirely upon Alex--I can't recall any scenes that he doesn't feature in as the central character.
I'm not necessarily saying that this article should be merged, though that is a possibility. But I think we have to ask ourselves how this article differs from and expands on the articles about the book and the movie. There's no reason why this article should summarize the same plot in different words. Nareek 14:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
What's with the eye thing?
Every time someone 'dresses as Alex from Clockwork Orange' they stick a black gear around their eye. What is that? He doesn't seem to have anything odd in the movie and nothing in wikipedia mentions it.
In his droog outfit he wears very prominent fake eyelashes on one of his eyes... As seen in this generally popular picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Alex_Korova1.jpg (Which just happens to be on the Alex wikipedia page). So I suppose that some would just paint a gear around their eye. Straxton 03:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
He gives his complete name
Alex gives his complete name when he enters in the jail, when the officer ask his name, he replies "Alexander DeLarge, sir".
The Gear comes from "clockwork", it's an association, taking advantage of the eyelashes he wears, it's a graphical symbol matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Alex Korova1.jpg
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If there is a problem with the current image (a screen capture), it could be replaced with the black-and-white presskit photo which depicts the same image. A presskit photo would be usable without resorting to fair use, as it's already been cleared for publication in a review or encyclopedia.220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The article states his prisoner number is "6655321", when if I am not mistaken it is "655321" (six double-five three two one). EDIT: Just watched it, it is in fact 655321, I'm changing it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elchafa (talk • contribs) 23:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
a fictional pedophile?
- He had sex with a pair of 12 year old girls in the novel, if I recall correctly. They were older in the movie. Canine virtuoso (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
There is no information in the documentation for the picture that it is the opening shot. This pose is seen more than once in the film. IMO a WP:RS needs to be added for any caption states that it is the opening shot. MarnetteD|Talk 17:34, 30 August 2014 (UTC)