Talk:American Freedom Mortgage

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Discussion about citing sources and removing unsourced content[edit]

Edits and tags I added to this article concerning sources and content were reverted, and I have added a discussion to the editor's talk page for discussion either there or here: User_talk:65.15.77.18 Flowanda 06:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Award citation and other links[edit]

In no particular order or importance for discussion: Here is the award cited on the main page: http://www.consumerschoiceaward.com/directory.jsp?sid=6782...849736017611&ctid=1007615 It's Consumers' Choice Award, not to be confused on a search with another award called Consumer Choice Award. External link listed as official website in "external links" section is incorrect. Here is the link for unrelated info on Burch's position on the board of directors for a local charity -- http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:bxDbuQGx31QJ:www.charityadvantage.com/Childrens_Restoration_NetwMKEPKF/Annual_Report_2006.pdfFinal2.pdf+%22american+freedom+mortgage%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=101&gl=us&client=firefox-a A quick search on this company doesn't really indicate any specific notable news coverage by local or industry press other than a current event (which isn't always considered to be notable enough for an article, i.e. WP:Notability#Notability is not temporary). An article about the mentioned (with EL) Tamara Burch Project was deleted in March 2007 as non notable and probably doesn't need an entire paragraph, complete with track titles of its CD. Wall Street Journal article -- it's a preview only with no mention of american freedom in preview content (but shows up in search results) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117369890345734007.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us The Atlanta Business Journal article: http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2007/02/19/newscolumn3.html -- not really well vetted...sources are owner's lawyer, filings and info from website (now defunct)...lazy, perhaps, but also (I hope) independent (i.e. not a press release, advertorial or a publication that is a creditor). There seems to be a great deal of information about the principals' outside and new pursuits, including the owner's husband...whether for promotion or tracking, the information seems to be too detailed for an article about a company, even theirs. Flowanda 23:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Wall Street Journal Article[edit]

Added. Ask Flowanda to stop deleting. If he/she wants to delete, discuss here first. What is the basis?

If you don't feel comfortable citing the statement to the article and website it was sourced from, then please either delete the content and source, or look for other ways to source the info per WP:RS. Linking to a PDF of a copyrighted news article from the Wall Street Journal on a non-notable website is not going to last very long. Flowanda | Talk 11:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll stop deleting when you stop committing copyvio. The print pdf substituted for the correct wsj.com article is probably a copyvio unless the website purchased specific rights to reprint this article. In any case, the print PDF does not include the entire text of the article...a good chunk of the right side text has been cut off. Flowanda | Talk 23:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


There is the fair use doctrine and fair dealing doctrine. (In Canada under 'fair dealing' it can be permissable to reproduce entire articles, depending on the circumstances. The same may also be true under fair dealing. One does not have to purchase an article to use it under these legal doctrines.Gatorinvancouver (talk) 02:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion about the edits made to this article[edit]

A link to an archived noticeboard discussion ( Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive283#User:65.15.77.18 ) that includes why certain edits were made to this article. Flowanda | Talk 00:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Alt-A loans are not prime[edit]

Loans without any documentation can surely not be considered 'prime'. Their nickname is 'liar loans'. Gatorinvancouver (talk) 02:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


Said to be riskier than prime but not as risky as subprime. (And yet in 2006 the default rate was higher than comparable subprime loans). For a definition:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeWSvfvHw3cQ

Gatorinvancouver (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)