Talk:Andy Collins (TV presenter)

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Article Genesis: (See Also: Talk: Andy Collins (radio) and Andy Collins<--> disambig)

ref: new user request for help <--> user talk:Macs417— User:Macs417 - 14 April 2006

This is pertinent copy of post on the new (red) User:Macs417 talk page:


Help is Here per request user talk:fabartus[edit]

OK, got your message on article problem, let me poke around a minute, and I'll put an idea or two here. In the meantime, Here's your first user subpage User:Macs417/Sometricks. It'll be red until you save something in it. Copy the contents from user:Fabartus/Welcome message, and start poking around. There are a lot of tips and helpful advice for newbies.

  • I'll be back with article advice soon. FrankB 20:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK- I initialized you user page with the above suggested link. That way you won't mislay it. User pages are generally sacrosanct, but in this case, I'm creating it so User:Macs417 is no longer a redlink. And others can use it to get to your user page rapidly. FrankB 20:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this is simple with two snags. The goal will be to make this an disambigulation page, and have links to both articles in their own 'New' pages. The only complication is making sure the proper categories and stubs go with each personality.

  • One alternative - If you can websearch and otherwise find out whether one has a middle initial, create just a new article for him with a link to the other article. Also point the new article back to the old, if this method is used.
  1. Edit and create: Andy Collins (television) and Andy Collins (radio)
  2. Preview (not save) your edit window. You'll see the redlinks for these names.
  3. Cut as much of the bottom that pertains to the DJ into the cut buffer, then click the redlink for him, and paste it in place. Preview, Save.
  4. You should be looking at the new page. Backspace (Back arrow) to your original edit window.
  5. Grab the templates and stubs you need for him. You can open a second browser window to the new article, and just window the cut buffer to a second edit window.
  6. The remaining should belong to the tv personality. CTRL-A CTRL-X that and pick it all out. Follow the redlink to that new article. Put the stuff in it. Save, etc.
  7. in the original, put {{disambig}} as top line.
    1. links to first article, with a one line discription of who he is.
    2. links to second article ditto, etc.

Save, Drop me a 'done' note, and I'll check it over.

Best, FrankB 21:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Phase II Needs[edit]

Good morning User:Macs417!

  1. Looking things over I added some sections and sect-stub templates, as well as the category people. Which is not even a good start, but this type of article is not in my normal experience, so you will have to research in WP:SSP (Stub sorting project-links on my user page and on my talk just above your original post, fix this when you find the right shortcut and correct the Redlink) and categories for the proper adds yourself.
  2. Both articles are now very barren, IMHO, so you should take it as a good exercise to flesh them out until they are about a typed sheet when printed out. That's a wonderful way to start wikiP!
  3. First step: from the 'people' category browse up and down the category heirarchy-tree and examin articles of this nature. Take some notes as which presentations are really good models, what categorys and sections and reference types they are using, et. al. If you use windows, Notepad.exe (put a shortcut in your startmenu) makes a great scratchpad that uses few memory resources. VI on Unix, and ??? on MACs- just good basic text editor applications. I generally use one page a week, and just append links and data as I work, keeping it open as I go. CTRL-S saves it from time to time.
  4. Pay especial attention to ones which have good footnoting (Cites-per WP:V) as there is a big drive to upgrade the whole of WikiP that way, and articles which fail to do so that are very short are likely to have short lives and grizzly deaths!!! So you want to get it past criticisms of WP:Vfd - WP:Csd (Criteria or candidates for Speedy Deletion- fix 'shortcut link' as well— it's on my user page).
  5. Spend a lot of time cruising the Vfd for your first couple of months— the criticisms can be very blunt and brutal, but are a good guide to what NOT TO DO in articles, and conversely how to avoid same and give a good article.
  6. Research - You want to locate at least a dozen press and magazine mentions of these folks, and use quotes worked into the body of the work. So Google!
  7. Beware WP:NOR — Look at the Village Pages Straw Poll vote and the relavant RFC (ref: WP:RFC) on that lovely little school article, and see the wisdom of avoiding their problem, which is sad but necessary. ref: Wikipedia:Archives_as_sources top has link to RFC([1])*:
    1. Following the community-wide request for comment the use of archival materials as sources has been put to a straw poll. Please vote if you have an opinion or voice an alternate.
    2. Quoted Extract from WP:cp) — Community Portal, which has the link 'Community Portal' somewhere on the skin you are using (re: user Preferences) — on the default skin the link is on the 'left sidebar' above the search window.
    3. I left two unwikified links in this three sentence sequence, as an exercise, 'wikify' them, so the system can update the links when things are moved and archived. TIP: Unwikified links will be disconnected. Wikified links stay connected when something moves in the internal database.
  8. Fill in the blanks from the above. You have a lot of blanks, but a blank canvas is the first step to a work of art or literature. See WP:FAC— hope your evolution makes it there!

Best wishes, FrankB 17:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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